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Post by mwcpa on Oct 23, 2012 15:37:07 GMT -5
all this poll watching reminds me of those who watch their stock portfolios and 401(k)s every hour on the hour
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2012 15:43:14 GMT -5
One of the big upsides of a Romney victory is that we won't have to hear as much from Axlerod. Not sure why they think that guy is a good spokesman for the president. I'd keep him off-camera as much as possible if I were Obama. Him and DWS are the worst.
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Post by cereb on Oct 23, 2012 18:47:09 GMT -5
Is it possible that this thread could be even more obnoxious than the last thread that I stated was also obnoxious? Gawd.
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Post by Value Buy on Oct 24, 2012 8:39:32 GMT -5
What will be really obnoxious is reading the dribble attacking Romney for the next four years here. I hope the mods will hold the attackers to the same level of adherence to the rules they did to the defenders of freedom here in the last year.
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Post by Opti on Oct 24, 2012 8:50:14 GMT -5
Hopefully we don't need to find out. While not Ron Paul or a better I think Obama should win a close race over Romney unless of course Romney has already decided to do voter fraud in swing states using the cover of that company.
No matter what happens I think we should make it a non-hire-able offense possibly with a ban on holding political office if any future candidate is involved in any way organizationally or financially with voting machines, registration, and anything connected with the voting process. I really do not want a hanging chad debacle equivalent. I hope Romney positioning himself to do voter fraud was not sanctioned by the Republican party.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Oct 24, 2012 9:08:46 GMT -5
I keep hearing about Rasmussen's "bias" and perhaps they are biased. My point is that Rasmussen is accurate, bias notwithstanding. They've called the last two presidential elections within half a point- and they were the single most accurate poll. So, you may not like the political point of view- but you have to accept that their methodology, whatever it may be, produced the most accurate result of the measure of voter's sentiments the last two elections.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Oct 24, 2012 9:22:46 GMT -5
Virtually all polls are showing Romney pulling away. The RCP average still shows a tie- yesterday it was Romney movement up +.7 in the average movement for Romney today is +.9 so far.
It's now still tied in the average, but the momentum is clear. Romney is up 48% to 47.1% in the average.
Rasmussen - Romney lead holds steady at +4% - 50% to 46%
ABC News / Washington Post has Romney +1% now
Gallup is holding steady at Romney +5 - 51% to 46%
IBD / TIPP has tightened from showing Romney down 6 to Romney down just 2
The Monmouth Survey has Romney +3% - 48% to 45%
CBS News shows Romney down just 2%
NBC/Wall Street Journal is still tied at 47% each
Washington Times / JZ Analytics has the biggest spread for the president showing Romney down 3 points
Politico Battleground has Romney up +2
The swing state polls are all trending Romney. Ohio in particular is very precarious for the President right now with virtually all polls showing Romney has pulled even in Ohio-- and tie goes to the challenger.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Oct 24, 2012 9:23:49 GMT -5
One of the big upsides of a Romney victory is that we won't have to hear as much from Axlerod. Not sure why they think that guy is a good spokesman for the president. I'd keep him off-camera as much as possible if I were Obama. Him and DWS are the worst. Who doesn't like an obnoxious guy with a little round fat face and a comb over?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2012 9:23:59 GMT -5
They were average in 08, but not 10...
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Post by Waffle on Oct 24, 2012 9:28:46 GMT -5
One of the big upsides of a Romney victory is that we won't have to hear as much from Axlerod. Not sure why they think that guy is a good spokesman for the president. I'd keep him off-camera as much as possible if I were Obama. Him and DWS are the worst. Who doesn't like an obnoxious guy with a little round fat face and a comb over? Why bring Donald Trump in to it?
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Post by usaone on Oct 24, 2012 9:41:50 GMT -5
The Ohio polls from the last three days still has us down 3 points. Thats all that matters.
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Post by usaone on Oct 24, 2012 9:44:02 GMT -5
of course, Paul. you made a huge issue over it. but the fact is that they are frequently an outlier, especially on the tracking poll. Maybe. I don't know. Rasmussen is spot on- and they just moved it to a 4 point race. It's over. BTW- didn't know you were off to Aussieland. Bonzer, mate! Throw a shrimp on the barbie for me. Have fun down under. Rassmussen always has a 2 to 3 point bias towards Republicans.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Oct 24, 2012 10:28:04 GMT -5
Maybe. I don't know. Rasmussen is spot on- and they just moved it to a 4 point race. It's over. BTW- didn't know you were off to Aussieland. Bonzer, mate! Throw a shrimp on the barbie for me. Have fun down under. Rassmussen always has a 2 to 3 point bias towards Republicans. Rasmussen has NEVER- in the history of the poll- been off by 2 points or more in ANY election it has done the polling for. NEVER.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Oct 24, 2012 10:29:13 GMT -5
The Ohio polls from the last three days still has us down 3 points. Thats all that matters. The 2008 election cycle is the guideline for voter turnout in all the polls- including Rasmussen. 2010 is the guideline according to my theory of the election.
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Post by Value Buy on Oct 24, 2012 10:42:02 GMT -5
Message deleted by mmhmm. Speak to the subject, not the other posters, Value Buy.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Oct 24, 2012 11:34:23 GMT -5
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 24, 2012 11:37:52 GMT -5
Rassmussen always has a 2 to 3 point bias towards Republicans. Rasmussen has NEVER- in the history of the poll- been off by 2 points or more in ANY election it has done the polling for. NEVER. this is so laughably wrong. their poll in the Hawaii Senate race in 2010 was widely considered to be the worst poll of the year: A Rasmussen survey in Hawaii showed Sen. Daniel Inouye (D-HI) leading challenger Cam Cavasso (R) by 13 points two weeks ago, 53% to 40%. The final results showed Inouye winning re-election by 51 points, 72% to 21%.Rasmussen was off by THIRTY EIGHT percent. that is 19x your magic number, bro. you really need to shake out the cobwebs, Paul. Rasmussen is laughably bad.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 24, 2012 11:39:55 GMT -5
The Ohio polls from the last three days still has us down 3 points. Thats all that matters. The 2008 election cycle is the guideline for voter turnout in all the polls- including Rasmussen. 2010 is the guideline according to my theory of the election. as Yoda would say, "and THAT is why you will fail". ok, folks. next message will either be from the airport or from Australia........ 3.....2......1.......blastoff.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Oct 24, 2012 12:05:14 GMT -5
The real gender gap is Obama's massive 14 to 18 point gender gap with men- something Obama cannot close by making up for it with women voters- especially as Obama's lead with women voters shrinks. It's over.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Oct 24, 2012 12:06:21 GMT -5
Rasmussen has NEVER- in the history of the poll- been off by 2 points or more in ANY election it has done the polling for. NEVER. this is so laughably wrong. their poll in the Hawaii Senate race in 2010 was widely considered to be the worst poll of the year: A Rasmussen survey in Hawaii showed Sen. Daniel Inouye (D-HI) leading challenger Cam Cavasso (R) by 13 points two weeks ago, 53% to 40%. The final results showed Inouye winning re-election by 51 points, 72% to 21%.Rasmussen was off by THIRTY EIGHT percent. that is 19x your magic number, bro. you really need to shake out the cobwebs, Paul. Rasmussen is laughably bad. Again, your posts are really light on links. You need to learn to include them.
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Post by usaone on Oct 24, 2012 12:26:13 GMT -5
The Ohio polls from the last three days still has us down 3 points. Thats all that matters. The 2008 election cycle is the guideline for voter turnout in all the polls- including Rasmussen. 2010 is the guideline according to my theory of the election. If this was 2010 we would be up by 10-12 points. Not coming from behind.
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Post by beags on Oct 24, 2012 12:49:46 GMT -5
The real gender gap is Obama's massive 14 to 18 point gender gap with men- something Obama cannot close by making up for it with women voters- especially as Obama's lead with women voters shrinks. It's over. hmm, this could be a problem. I always see more men at the polls than women. Even though statisitics show that women outnumber men. So for Obama to have a chance of winning, the women need to get out and vote.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Oct 24, 2012 12:58:23 GMT -5
The 2008 election cycle is the guideline for voter turnout in all the polls- including Rasmussen. 2010 is the guideline according to my theory of the election. If this was 2010 we would be up by 10-12 points. Not coming from behind. Um, if by "we" you mean GOP, then maybe. But it is 2010 and the polls are going to show a close race until it's not close and Romney sweeps.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Oct 24, 2012 12:59:09 GMT -5
The real gender gap is Obama's massive 14 to 18 point gender gap with men- something Obama cannot close by making up for it with women voters- especially as Obama's lead with women voters shrinks. It's over. hmm, this could be a problem. I always see more men at the polls than women. Even though statisitics show that women outnumber men. So for Obama to have a chance of winning, the women need to get out and vote. It won't be enough to matter- but yes, he has to try. Or, he has to wag the dog and maybe, just maybe have a shot at winning back some of those men.
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Post by deziloooooo on Oct 24, 2012 15:34:43 GMT -5
Dezi is still waiting for the Al Jazeera poll before commenting. Actually if your interested...... ;D they don't seem to be into actual Polls but they do get into politicals that our own media seems to basically shys away from or puts on page 75 vs headlines such as the following..interesting since there are third party's here ..we just don't hear much about them.. www.aljazeera.com/programmes/insidestoryus2012/2012/10/2012102412323169655.html============================= The other parties - excluded but not silenced As third party US presidential candidates hold their own debate, we ask if they can win over American voters. Inside Story US 2012 Last Modified: 24 Oct 2012 13:27 "The presidential candidates representing third parties in the US 2012 election have held their own debate in Chicago. It was no surprise that much of the mainstream media failed to show up for the event as these candidates came to present an alternative vision for US domestic and foreign policy. Polls show that most US voters have not even heard of the third party candidates. "Our federal government today ... is on an absolute unsustainable path, the results of which are going to be a monetary collapse unless we actually bring this under control. And as a third party I've been given the opportunity here to make the case that's not being made by either of the two major candidates." - Gary Johnson, the Libertarian Party presidential candidate But from the Green Party to the Libertarian Party, and from the Constitutional Party to the Justice Party, both left and right were well represented in this presidential debate. "We are calling for getting money out of politics through public financing," said Jill Stein, the Green Party presidential candidate. "We are calling for opening up the airwaves to all qualified candidates. We are calling for a constitutional amendment to clarify that money is not speech and that corporations are not people to take back our constitutional rights." Meanwhile, Rocky Anderson, the Justice Party presidential candidate, pointed out how constricted the debate had been between the Republicans and the Democrats. "They are arguing about who is going to spend more on the military budget .... They're both trying to outdo each other in terms of who is going to drill more both offshore and on public lands. And neither of them even dares to talk about getting rid of this disastrous failed war on drugs, neither of them talks about catastrophic climate change and neither of them talks about poverty," he said. So, did the third party presidential candidates put forward coherent policies? And should Americans take them seriously? To answer these questions on this special edition of Inside Story US 2012 presenter Shihab Rattansi is joined by David Swanson, an author and activist. --------------------------------- [ "It was substantive, it was entertaining, it was democratic with a small d. People were allowed to applaud and that added to the debate. And there was much more passion and much more disagreement on basic issues of ideology. It was much more of a debate on certain topics, on others everybody agreed. "This [debate] is a showcase of what's missing from other debates. I mean it would be absolutely wonderful to have the taboo topics - the assassinations, the drone wars, the drug war mentioned.
"Jill Stein and Rocky Anderson clearly both want to amend the constitution if needed or take whatever steps necessary to clean the money out of the system." /b]
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Oct 24, 2012 17:07:00 GMT -5
Whatever.
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Post by EVT1 on Oct 24, 2012 18:33:21 GMT -5
A campaign blitz in the last weeks is evidence of desperation to you? You would make a hell of a campaign manager. So I guess Mitt can quit campaigning and just start measuring the oval office for drapes. Why waste money when it's in the bag, right?
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Post by usaone on Oct 24, 2012 18:53:59 GMT -5
Paul not sure what Polls you are looking at. Gallup dropped 4 points in 48 hours towards Obama. The 6 polls I've seen out of Ohio today and yesterday have Obama increasing his lead to 3 to 5 points. Only one Rassmussen has them tied in Ohio. The Average of those Ohio polls has Obama up almost 4 points.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 24, 2012 19:47:16 GMT -5
Maybe. I don't know. Rasmussen is spot on- and they just moved it to a 4 point race. It's over. BTW- didn't know you were off to Aussieland. Bonzer, mate! Throw a shrimp on the barbie for me. Have fun down under. Rassmussen always has a 2 to 3 point bias towards Republicans. they average 3.9%
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