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Post by Loopdilou on Sept 28, 2012 12:31:23 GMT -5
I don't think the senate will get a democratic majority even if the voters decide to vote dem again. The Senate already has a dem majority. How do they lose that if voters vote for democrats again?
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Post by Peace Of Mind on Sept 28, 2012 12:36:36 GMT -5
;D no. it is YOU that should stay home. AMEN! If every one of you 'lesser-of-two-evils' dipwads would stay home, perhaps, just perhaps, a third party candidate would get enough of the vote to bring that third party out of the shadows. LMAO!! Yes, your candidate is so great we all should stay home so he can win. Because that's how elections should really work. And you call me a dipwad... Based on what I've read here third party voters are picking different candidates so none of them will ever win. Get together and pick the strongest of them and maybe you'd have a chance. But you all can't agree on who that would be. And no candidate has everything or is perfect so all elections are pretty much based on the best of what you get to choose from. No matter how fancy you word it. I'm just honest that sometimes it's the least of the worst. And for the record - I was just teasing Dark. He knew that and what I meant. I think.
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Post by Driftr on Sept 28, 2012 12:40:03 GMT -5
;D AMEN! If every one of you 'lesser-of-two-evils' dipwads would stay home, perhaps, just perhaps, a third party candidate would get enough of the vote to bring that third party out of the shadows. LMAO!! Yes, your candidate is so great we all should stay home so he can win. Because that's how elections should really work. And you call me a dipwad... Based on what I've read here third party voters are picking different candidates so none of them will ever win. Get together and pick the strongest of them and maybe you'd have a chance. But you all can't agree on who that would be. And no candidate has everything or is perfect so all elections are pretty much based on the best of what you get to choose from. No matter how fancy you word it. I'm just honest that sometimes it's the least of the worst. And for the record - I was just teasing Dark. He knew that and what I meant. I think. I only call you a dipwad if you're voting against the other person (lesser of two evils). If you're voting for someone you believe will do a good job then I'm calling you a fine upstanding patriot. And for the record, I'm not teasing.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Sept 28, 2012 12:49:24 GMT -5
I am as against what we did in/ to Iraq as anybody, but I question your figure of millions of casualties as well. Hundreds of thousands including wounded maybe, but millions? I haven't seen numbers that support that. It's an extrapolation. We have various surveys estimating the number of deaths and injuries in Iraq over wide ranges. Deaths range from the low hundred thousands to millions. Injuries are mostly in the 35,000-50,000 per year range, over a period of 10 years. Civilian casualties in Afghanistan seem to average about 5,000 a year recently, after the initial invasion. I can't find figures on how many civilians were killed or injured in the fighting to take Kabul. Add to that ongoing operations in Pakistan since 2003, drone attacks in Libya, the number of casualties would come in well above a million.
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Post by Peace Of Mind on Sept 28, 2012 12:49:34 GMT -5
And I voted in the last election for who I felt could do the best job from the choices that we had. I did not get who I wanted in the primaries. So I had to pick the 2nd choice of who I felt was the best of who DID win the primaries. If you know of a way to change that please enlighten me.
And at least I make a decision that will actually matter in an election whether my choice wins or not. I know I tried.
And my dad was a fighter pilot and survived two wars and a plane crash. So I come from a very fine upstanding patriotic family.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Sept 28, 2012 12:50:20 GMT -5
That's a white tiger, by the way. They don't count.
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Post by Peace Of Mind on Sept 28, 2012 12:51:24 GMT -5
Virgil, LOL! I googled "monkey and Snow Leopard" so it does too count! ;D
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2012 13:02:21 GMT -5
I dont agree with everything Virgil had to say, but i do agree that the executive branch no longer has the checks and balances that the constitution planned on
How many executive orders have been signed in the last 20 years, because the powers in the white house couldnt get the sitting congress to agree with them....so lets just make an executive order disregarding the law entirely
Too many in my book
Once you cross that line, there is no going back. The only question is how far will the line be pushed....
We have 3 branches to run the government.....we need them to WORK together
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 28, 2012 13:16:39 GMT -5
;D AMEN! If every one of you 'lesser-of-two-evils' dipwads would stay home, perhaps, just perhaps, a third party candidate would get enough of the vote to bring that third party out of the shadows. LMAO!! Yes, your candidate is so great we all should stay home so he can win. no. just the opposite. your candidate is so AWFUL that YOU should stay home. it will give you time to recover your ass.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 28, 2012 13:18:05 GMT -5
I don't think the senate will get a democratic majority even if the voters decide to vote dem again. i think the odds are about the same of Obama winning and the Democrats holding the Senate.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Sept 28, 2012 13:20:02 GMT -5
He did indeed.
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Post by Driftr on Sept 28, 2012 13:22:24 GMT -5
I don't think the senate will get a democratic majority even if the voters decide to vote dem again. i think the odds are about the same of Obama winning and the Democrats holding the Senate. The way they were making it sound on NPR during my drive in this morning, it's a given that Republicans will gain seats. It's to the point where the only one that seems to be hotly contested is the one that Tommy Thompson guy is running for. Where do you see the most hotly contested seats?
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 28, 2012 13:36:30 GMT -5
i think the odds are about the same of Obama winning and the Democrats holding the Senate. The way they were making it sound on NPR during my drive in this morning, it's a given that Republicans will gain seats. It's to the point where the only one that seems to be hotly contested is the one that Tommy Thompson guy is running for. Where do you see the most hotly contested seats? Aiken's seat is still up for grabs. amazingly. the Masschusetts race is still quite close. Virginia is a dead heat, and has been for months. Ditto for Nevada. Montana is close. Indiana is close. i SUSPECT that most of those will break for Democrats, but if wrong, then the GOP COULD take over. i just doubt it. the most interesting race is Aiken's, imo.
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Post by Peace Of Mind on Sept 28, 2012 13:37:49 GMT -5
;D LMAO!! Yes, your candidate is so great we all should stay home so he can win. no. just the opposite. your candidate is so AWFUL that YOU should stay home. it will give you time to recover your ass. No matter how often you repeat this you still don't look any smarter or funnier. I'm just sayin'.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 28, 2012 13:38:03 GMT -5
oh, and North Dakota.....
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 28, 2012 13:38:55 GMT -5
no. just the opposite. your candidate is so AWFUL that YOU should stay home. it will give you time to recover your ass. No matter how often you repeat this you still don't look any smarter or funnier. I'm just sayin'. thanks, but since neither of these are my goals, i would rather just be right. ;D
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Post by Peace Of Mind on Sept 28, 2012 13:47:33 GMT -5
I hope you aren't counting on being right in this year's election. I hate when posters I admire are sad. ;D
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 28, 2012 13:48:52 GMT -5
I hope you aren't counting on being right in this year's election. I hate when posters I admire are sad. ;D being right about what, precisely?
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Post by Peace Of Mind on Sept 28, 2012 14:05:13 GMT -5
Voters needing to stay home that will vote for candidates you don't like. And this: "your candidate is so AWFUL that YOU should stay home. it will give you time to recover your ass." My ass won't require recovering. But it did 8 and 12 years ago.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 28, 2012 14:08:39 GMT -5
Voters needing to stay home that will vote for candidates you don't like. i was just responding to your suggestion that i stay home because i was wasting my vote, peace. that is an outrageous suggestion, imo- so i gave you an outrageous reply. deal with it, or retract the outrageous suggestion.And this: "your candidate is so AWFUL that YOU should stay home. it will give you time to recover your ass." My ass won't require recovering. But it did 8 and 12 years ago. i won't ask you to explain that. but now i can respond to your question. since i didn't suggest that anyone staying home was likely, only preferable in your case, there is nothing for me to be "right" about. to address the second half of your question, i am completely relaxed about the fact that either of these two lessers will be elected. i suspect it will have very little impact on me.
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Post by Peace Of Mind on Sept 28, 2012 14:11:20 GMT -5
I never suggested that you stay home. I teased Dark, as I already explained, and he knew exactly what I meant. You decided to make it an issue and tell me to stay home. I retract nothing.
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Post by deziloooooo on Sept 28, 2012 14:12:13 GMT -5
First of all, a "casualty" is not a "death". Secondly, my number includes Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and the various other excursions since 2001. And yes, it is millions. I have no doubt that he was a rotter. You're missing the point. From now on, we have no idea who dies or why. There is no trial, no public discovery, no authorization from the courts, no public defense. You're assuming this power will never be abused or used as a stepping stone, and you're utterly wrong on both counts. Moreover, you're showing contempt for your own constitution. You're saying to the executive branch: "Go ahead. Break the law if it's expedient. Go and kill these people. I don't want to see it; I don't want to hear about it. Just make me feel safe." All I can say is that when the next Republican president gets in, and a memo leaks about Pres. X ordering the leaders of secessionist party Y gunned down at a political rally, we'd better not hear one peep out of you, because you were the one who put that tool in his executive toolkit. Yes, you do. But you can't, so you won't. Lets try to get real here...first of all if your insinuating we, USA , has killed millions since 2001...that is not true, not even close.. That people have died , yes , and we have been at war..and people do die in wars..soldiers as well as civilians..and the majority of those being casualties were casualties done by the other side..whether by direct actions or as so often the case with thm, innocents slautered by bombs set off willy nilly just to cause casualties..who and what not being important, just that much blood should be spilt. If your trying to say you are above it all that your against war..trust me your not alone and surprising you I am sure, those who are most against it are those who wage it..the professional military..more so then you or any civilian do..reason is they are the ones who are most affected. Do you think when I and others like me were sent into harms way ..that some one was really investigating the individuals we would be in contact with, personal decisions were being made as to should we or shouldn't we and do we give them the right to a fair trial to prove no wrong doing ? Even if the ones we were in combat against were really the bad, bad "rotter" ones ?? The executive branch is the branch that gives the OK to the military to use force... usually by act of Congress but for a limited time it does not need that consent..and in all of the actions , discussions were/ are made and then voted on and then given.. If anything , these individuals being targeted are being given that which you want ..personal viewing of , investigating of, discussions on and then a decision being made as to actions ..where as with me and others like me..we were pointed in a direction, a mission given and action taken and any in the way were dealt with..none of that which pertains to the investigating and thought process given those now targeted by stealth mode given to those we were in touch with.. "From now on, we have no idea who dies or why. There is no trial, no public discovery, no authorization from the courts, no public defense." Do you think a trial was given in these cases?? Not any of the above... "Yes, you do. But you can't, so you won't." Your feeling but as I said..I believe other wise..so we will have to see won't we..Naturally he has to win first ...other wise it is all moot.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 28, 2012 14:15:31 GMT -5
I never suggested that you stay home. I teased Dark, as I already explained, and he knew exactly what I meant. You decided to make it an issue and tell me to stay home. I retract nothing. fair enough. neither do i. PS: and i will try to remember that you are not to be taken seriously from now on.
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Post by Peace Of Mind on Sept 28, 2012 16:01:42 GMT -5
That's what this little emote implies: . Learn your emotes! ;D
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 28, 2012 16:03:54 GMT -5
That's what this little emote implies: . Learn your emotes! ;D that is the one my girlfriend uses when she wants to have sex with me. i am much relieved to find out you use it for sarcasm.
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Post by Peace Of Mind on Sept 28, 2012 16:10:29 GMT -5
LMAO!!! I'm pretty sure I wasn't wanting to have sex with you when I used it. But you can send me your picture and I'll let you know for sure. <---- I prefer this one though. Does she email the emote to prepare you? Like foreplay? ;D
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Sept 28, 2012 16:13:28 GMT -5
She's doing it wrong. You get a man's attention with this one
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 28, 2012 16:31:34 GMT -5
LMAO!!! I'm pretty sure I wasn't wanting to have sex with you when I used it. But you can send me your picture and I'll let you know for sure. <---- I prefer this one though. Does she email the emote to prepare you? Like foreplay? ;D this is IM stuff, actually. so, no. it is more interactive than that. ;D
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 28, 2012 16:31:53 GMT -5
She's doing it wrong. You get a man's attention with this one LOL!
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Post by Don Perignon on Sept 28, 2012 21:38:52 GMT -5
This thread is appaullling.
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