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Post by Loopdilou on Sept 27, 2012 22:21:19 GMT -5
I'll bet two thirds of the people reading this don't know what Mitt Romney's first name is without Googling it. Willard... sans Google. I'd go by Mitt too.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 27, 2012 22:30:54 GMT -5
the Atlantic is liberal. unabashedly. and they have been fairly hard on Obama for (3) years. i know the feeling.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 27, 2012 22:32:37 GMT -5
Ralph Nader: President Obama’s a ‘war criminal’
nothing new, here. i have been saying so for a long time. he is not unique, of course. every president since WW2 has been a war criminal.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 27, 2012 22:34:41 GMT -5
4 years and Paul still can't spell the President's name right. It's shocking he's not voting for him honestly?, i have a little trouble with it, too.
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Post by Peace Of Mind on Sept 27, 2012 22:35:05 GMT -5
I know his first name from reading here. It's Willard... The Rat.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 27, 2012 22:35:58 GMT -5
Bingo! Osama Bin Laden may be dead, and GM may be alive, but Gitmo is still open, and the president now has the authority to covertly assassinate or indefinitely detain US citizens. No thanks Mr. President. ok, this one wins a KUDO from me.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 27, 2012 22:37:45 GMT -5
If he threw the US Constitution to the wind to hand pick American citizens for covert assassination, you'd better believe I would. Bush, Cheney et al. introducing military kangaroo courts, the preemptive war doctrine, torture, etc. were acts condemned by everyone here, including myself. "Hope and Change" was supposed to be about undoing the damage they'd caused, not perpetuating the same abuses of power and adding whole new ones. "On January 20th, 2009, if George Bush and Dick Cheney are not appropriately held to account this Administration will hand off a toolbox with more powers than any President has ever had, more powers than the founders could have imagined. And that box may be handed to Hillary Clinton or it may be handed to Mitt Romney or Barack Obama or someone else. But whoever gets it, one of the things we know about power is that people don't give away the tools." — John Nichols www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07132007/profile.html Needed to impeach Bush and Cheney. Need to impeach Obama. House is so partisan that they could never do it. it is not just that! it is that they are all on the same team when it comes to SHIT like this. i mean that sincerely.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 27, 2012 22:38:37 GMT -5
And that's why I can't vote for him either. So third party it is. You might as well stay home then. no. it is YOU that should stay home.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Sept 27, 2012 22:38:46 GMT -5
I'll bet two thirds of the people reading this don't know what Mitt Romney's first name is without Googling it. Willard... sans Google. I'd go by Mitt too. "Mitt" is worse than "Willard".
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 27, 2012 22:40:53 GMT -5
Willard... sans Google. I'd go by Mitt too. "Mitt" is worse than "Willard". LOL!
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Post by weltschmerz on Sept 27, 2012 22:42:07 GMT -5
He was named after hotel magnate J. Willard Marriott known for "arrogance without empathy."
Looks like it took.
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Post by mmhmm on Sept 27, 2012 22:42:11 GMT -5
I'll bet two thirds of the people reading this don't know what Mitt Romney's first name is without Googling it. *chuckle* I'll take that bet. I'll bet at least two thirds of the folks reading this DO know Romney's first name.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 27, 2012 22:44:52 GMT -5
mmhmm- agreed. we are a thick lot. but we know how to read. and with that, my dear people, i shut down my computer and go home. goodnight.
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Post by mmhmm on Sept 27, 2012 22:45:10 GMT -5
Barack Obama 4 years later and spell check selections are. Ba rack.............ABM Ba-rack.............IBM Barrack.............AMA Brock ...............Abeam Brick.................ABMs Bareback..........Asama Barracks...........ABA Brake...............Baum Break...............Omar Brocky..............Beam Back.................Alma Bark.................Obs Rack.................AM Brok.................Abba Brag.................Am Barrage............BM Bract.................OB Wrack...............Ob Black.................Obadiah Brace ...............Bomb Crack................Boom Track.................Om Bragg................Abra Brook................Abram .........................Burma....Irma...Barmy...lamb...Ob's...Occam....Ame...Ami...Amy...BMW...Eba...Ema...OMB...Oby... Bum...Obi...Ohm...Obj...Abramo...IBM's...Ebba...Emma...Erma...Obie...EBay...Obey...Oboe...Alabama What's your favorite "real" spelling? Black Obadiah? Bareback Alabama? Crack lamb? wow. I really have no words for this one. I do. Ignore it.
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Post by mmhmm on Sept 27, 2012 22:46:53 GMT -5
Fine, I'll give him that much too. Also, kudos to Bernie Madoff for bilking investors out of billions all by himself, without delegating to lesser funds managers. We can all admire his conviction. I won't honor that stretch with a reply.
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Post by Peace Of Mind on Sept 27, 2012 22:47:31 GMT -5
You might as well stay home then. no. it is YOU that should stay home. I do. I vote by absentee ballot. I'm a lazy democrat. Neener, neener!!
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Post by Loopdilou on Sept 27, 2012 23:09:16 GMT -5
Ahh yes.. spell check is definitely a good replacement for knowledge.
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Post by b2r on Sept 27, 2012 23:16:44 GMT -5
Little else is working...Why should spell check?
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Post by deziloooooo on Sept 28, 2012 8:18:41 GMT -5
;D "Is Obama losing the kook vote?" Well, you did say you were not going to vote for him, so yes I would say that makes it official.
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Post by Driftr on Sept 28, 2012 8:26:03 GMT -5
You might as well stay home then. no. it is YOU that should stay home. AMEN! If every one of you 'lesser-of-two-evils' dipwads would stay home, perhaps, just perhaps, a third party candidate would get enough of the vote to bring that third party out of the shadows.
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Post by deziloooooo on Sept 28, 2012 8:49:16 GMT -5
He's institutionalized covert assassination—and murder, as far as I'm concerned. He's worse than the Mullahs who put a blanket fatwa on members of the US administration. At least they have the compunction to face their own people when they demand blood. I'm with "The Atlantic" on this one. If we use "war is dirty work" as an excuse to throw our own laws to the wind, then the laws mean nothing. And if that's the case, we have no right to criticize torture, genocide, human shields, war rape, or any other atrocity, because the only thing between civilization and hell is a set of laws that we no longer care about. Better that he should do what most POTUS have done when we have been at war..send young innocents, such as I, to kill other young innocents , neither of us having anything to do with starting what ever conflict we are in...? First things first..one has to decide..are we in a war or aren't we..I believe we are.. If so, the ones being targeted are those who have voluntarily joined to conduct that war against us and allies of ours..and more importantly, unlike previous conflicts, it seems they are especially concerned in going after not only the rank and file of those who are active against us but the leaders who make the decision of who and where they will strike us and our allies. Granted there have been some civilian casualties but these civilians in many cases are the families of the combatants who do not separate them selves from their families but take them along to where they congregate, train, live.... To delve deeper into these civilian deaths if you want to then I suggest you do some googling of past conflicks where you will find how civilians by the thousands upon thousands were targeted by military leaders as a way to break the will of the populace..purposly targeted..old, young, children, woman, the sick and maimed..[never seemed to work, but they continued anyway].. Look up "Bomber Harris ", ..[Only top British leader not knighted by the Royal House after the war was over ..for a reason ], General Le may..his feelings and reasoning in the air war against Japan. Don't forget our own civil war...Sherman marching through Georgia..Atlanta and the treatment of civilians..through history , the complete destruction by the Romans of Jeruselum in 69 AD, final destruction of the Temple of theb Hebrews and destruction of the capital..same with Carthage earlier in time..Crusaders complete massecures of residents of Jeruselum when they finally captured it..said streets were deep in blood of the slain civiliens..I could go on and on.. "He's institutionalized covert assassination—and murder, as far as I'm concerned." Nope, when you are in a war..we are , whether you accept that or not..we are..and the killing of the enemy is not murder.even though you seem to feel it is..and that has been upheld , the call of killing the enemy, it is "not murder " by the highest courts of the land..not only here but by all nations.. That such deaths are horrible , absolutely and much to frequent this thing called war..but it seems it is part of the human experience..it isn't incorrect when they say "war is hell "...a cliche but so true , ask any one who has really participated in it in any way...they will all say so if they say nothing else.
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Post by Opti on Sept 28, 2012 8:57:27 GMT -5
Ahh yes.. spell check is definitely a good replacement for knowledge. When names are involved I've found the Yahoo search function useful in seeing if I am spelling it correctly. The correct spelling of the name will be offered up if you are correct and sometimes if you are not.
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Post by Opti on Sept 28, 2012 9:00:55 GMT -5
There are many things I disagree with Obama on including decisions he's made supposedly because of the war. I don't believe McCain or Romney would do any different. Ron Paul perhaps, but not the two faces of the same.
The thing that scares me a bit in this election is the possibility of Romney getting elected; giving Wall Street more rope to hang themselves and recreating the 2008 credit collapse only bigger. The too big to fail have been made bigger, so even doing the very same thing would cause more damage the next time.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Sept 28, 2012 9:43:59 GMT -5
There are many things I disagree with Obama on including decisions he's made supposedly because of the war. I don't believe McCain or Romney would do any different. Ron Paul perhaps, but not the two faces of the same. The thing that scares me a bit in this election is the possibility of Romney getting elected; giving Wall Street more rope to hang themselves and recreating the 2008 credit collapse only bigger. The too big to fail have been made bigger, so even doing the very same thing would cause more damage the next time.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Sept 28, 2012 10:30:38 GMT -5
Just a few million. You're missing the point that these assassinations are completely extrajudicial. This is the executive branch pointing at American citizens and saying "you die", "you die", "you die". No due process of law. No public inquiry. No judicial oversight whatsoever. You're throwing away fundamental liberty for a little temporary safety, which is precisely what America's founders warned about. And you're doing so because you care more about Pres. Obama being reelected than you care about what he actually does during his second term. So shame on you for that.
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Post by deziloooooo on Sept 28, 2012 11:22:12 GMT -5
Just a few million. You're missing the point that these assassinations are completely extrajudicial. This is the executive branch pointing at American citizens and saying "you die", "you die", "you die". No due process of law. No public inquiry. No judicial oversight whatsoever. You're throwing away fundamental liberty for a little temporary safety, which is precisely what America's founders warned about. And you're doing so because you care more about Pres. Obama being reelected than you care about what he actually does during his second term. So shame on you for that. First to get it over with ..if your suggesting the US has killed a few million civilians by drone attacks in Afghanistan..in fact a few million civilian casualties by US and allied total attacks against Taliban, al Quida in the whole country...since the war and intervention there started ..? You know that is not true so why do you post such a claim..it takes away from a serious discussion of the events IMHO... In the second and more important part of the post..your accusing me of "throwing away fundamental freedoms...for a little temporary safety"... I suggest if I or you or one of my loved ones or possible one of your loved ones where on that plane where the one who had the bomb in his shoe that failed to go off..if he had paid a bit more attention and got the bomb right..I wonder if you would feel the temporary safety was so unimportant ...or other planes..I am sure there were others in that class , learning on the Internet about shoe and other type bombs and encouragement on how to successfully attack these enemies of theirs. Where this man was living...a citizen of the US or not...actually to me he gave up his citizenship as soon as he turned against the US AND actually actively started to plot, teach, be active in a war against our and our allies citizens..enough so that the country he was living in had a death sentence as well as a arrest warrant against him... He was in a area where one does not send the police out in a patrol car with a arrest warrant , bring suspect in and then go through all the legal steps to see if one is or is not guilty of what ever the charges are..yet you feel since he was a citizen at one time, [ I told you my feelings of one who has sworn they are at war against ones country..they are no longer citizens] he should be treated differently then any sworn enemy who is at war against us. Just read the facts ..I believe them even though it is a wicki..this guy was a bad dude. very dedicated , angry and vengful man against any American citizen..adult, elderly, male , female child..it mattered not, they all were his sworn enemy.. It could have been you or one of your loved ones on that plane or where ever..shopping mall, on the way to school..what ever..and you would still be singing the same tune? I really doubt it...and if you ay you would..I say someone is lying. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwar_al-AwlakiAulaqi developed an animosity towards the U.S. and became a proponent of Takfiri and Jihadi thinking, while retaining Islamism, according to one research paper.[58] While imprisoned in Yemen, al-Awlaki became influenced by the works of Sayyid Qutb, an originator of the contemporary "anti-Western Jihadist movement".[59] He read 150–200 pages a day of Qutb's works, and described himself as "so immersed with the author I would feel Sayyid was with me in my cell speaking to me directly".[59] He was noted for attracting young men with his lectures, especially U.S.-based and UK-based Muslims.[60][61] Terrorism consultant Evan Kohlmann referred to al-Aulaqi "one of the principal jihadi luminaries for would-be homegrown terrorists. His fluency with English, his unabashed advocacy of jihad and mujahideen organizations, and his Web-savvy approach are a powerful combination." He called al-Aulaqi's lecture "Constants on the Path of Jihad", which he says was based on a similar document written by al-Qaeda's founder, the "virtual bible for lone-wolf Muslim extremists".[62] Philip Mudd, formerly of the CIA's Counterterrorism Center and the FBI's top intelligence adviser, called him "a magnetic character ... a powerful orator."
-------------------------------------------- In March 2010, a tape featuring al-Aulaqi was released in which he urged Muslims residing in the U.S. to attack their country of residence. In the video, he stated:
To the Muslims in America, I have this to say: How can your conscience allow you to live in peaceful coexistence with a nation that is responsible for the tyranny and crimes committed against your own brothers and sisters? I eventually came to the conclusion that jihad (holy struggle) against America is binding upon myself just as it is binding upon every other able Muslim.
------------------------------------- Finally..in response to the following post of yours.. "And you're doing so because you care more about Pres. Obama being reelected than you care about what he actually does during his second term. So shame on you for that." Huh?? Makes no sense to me but in speaking about the second term if he does get one..nothing is guaranteed and we still have a long way to go yet..I am a bit encouraged but still.. Personally I feel he will be a better POTUS in the second term then in the first.. [ Where mistakes made, ? Of course, many..but many successes too and as in all things, especially complicated ones..not all decisions turn out as one wants..way the cookie crumbles , and one thing the man does not do..he does not wing it } for many reasons. His big project ..his # 1 want ..besides the economy that came about because of the melt down.."Health Care" is done .Fino....still, I expect definitely tweaking of..but for all intents and purposes it's the law and I don't see it, especially if he wins, being done away with. Thus his concentration will be on the deficit..have to address that..the economy..have to address that..and hopefully we are out of our Afghanistan adventure..and not into any other big ones..not sure what will happen with Iran..and I feel the GOP will come calling to see if they can be the loyal opposition rather then just a opposition that is only concerned with getting him out of office..that will be done in four years automatically if he wins this time, and if they are seen as still being most concerned asobstructionist, I beleive the American public, even moderate and good Republicans will become disgusted and turn away from them and I never said the GOP is headed by dummies..they know how politics work, they know when to hold em and when to close em as the song goes. I think you are so into this anti Obama stuff you have a narrow view of what is going down and read into support for the man as a evil happening and possible supporters of the man as spawn of the devil or some such thing..suggest take a deep breath, step back and smell the roses..life ain't that tough ..it really isn't. Think that is a bit much? Well what do you call the following post of yours.. "So shame on you for that." Now come on now..really.tsk, tsk....
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 28, 2012 11:24:29 GMT -5
There are many things I disagree with Obama on including decisions he's made supposedly because of the war. I don't believe McCain or Romney would do any different. Ron Paul perhaps, but not the two faces of the same. The thing that scares me a bit in this election is the possibility of Romney getting elected; giving Wall Street more rope to hang themselves and recreating the 2008 credit collapse only bigger. The too big to fail have been made bigger, so even doing the very same thing would cause more damage the next time. that is kinda where i end up, too. but let's face it, anything meaningful that Romney wants to do is going to get blocked by a Democratic Senate, in all likelihood.
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Post by vandalshandle on Sept 28, 2012 12:23:16 GMT -5
I'm going to write in "Palin" on my ballot. She feels left out this election. Besides, I want to know what the Russians are up to, and she can see Russia from her house.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Sept 28, 2012 12:26:12 GMT -5
First of all, a "casualty" is not a "death".
Secondly, my number includes Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and the various other excursions since 2001. And yes, it is millions.
I have no doubt that he was a rotter.
You're missing the point.
From now on, we have no idea who dies or why. There is no trial, no public discovery, no authorization from the courts, no public defense.
You're assuming this power will never be abused or used as a stepping stone, and you're utterly wrong on both counts. Moreover, you're showing contempt for your own constitution. You're saying to the executive branch: "Go ahead. Break the law if it's expedient. Go and kill these people. I don't want to see it; I don't want to hear about it. Just make me feel safe."
All I can say is that when the next Republican president gets in, and a memo leaks about Pres. X ordering the leaders of secessionist party Y gunned down at a political rally, we'd better not hear one peep out of you, because you were the one who put that tool in his executive toolkit.
Yes, you do. But you can't, so you won't.
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Post by zibazinski on Sept 28, 2012 12:28:49 GMT -5
I don't think the senate will get a democratic majority even if the voters decide to vote dem again.
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