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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2012 14:23:14 GMT -5
ok I haven't been watching any of this convention crap......but today all over the internet is some hub-bub about the democratic platform omitting god and then putting it back in and stuff...... my question is- what exactly is this referring too? is there a document behind the Democratic convention called the "platform" (like a constitution of sorts for the democrats?) or is it just some text written behind the podium in big letters? is it just a verbal thing? I really don't understand what the "platform" is and why this is an important news story .....but I can be dense sometimes help?
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Sept 7, 2012 14:41:11 GMT -5
A party platform is a document that they create as part of the convention every four years. It's like an official to do list for their candidate if he wins the race. It's supposed to be a simple document that the voter can look at to see how the candidate stands on the issues.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2012 14:44:26 GMT -5
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Post by Loopdilou on Sept 7, 2012 14:45:06 GMT -5
Actually, it's more of a vision for the party to expect the candidate to follow. It's independent of the candidate and developed by the respective national committee members.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Sept 7, 2012 14:49:20 GMT -5
Yeah, but it's all written in plain english, with no complicated charts, technical jargon, wonky political stuff, or what have you. Your average voter should be able to read and understand it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2012 14:54:46 GMT -5
so why did they vote on it right before / during the convention?
shouldn't they have had that figured out way prior?
(thanks for the explanation BTW)
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Sept 7, 2012 14:59:15 GMT -5
They don't tend to change much from cycle to cycle. Some of the specific technical stuff will, but most of it is pretty much the same every four years, since the parties stick to basically the same broad political ideology.
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Post by Loopdilou on Sept 7, 2012 15:00:57 GMT -5
There is a national committee and then there are delegates.. the committee develops the platform, but it has to be ratified by the delegates. Just like any other board with a sub-committee.
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Post by zibazinski on Sept 7, 2012 15:14:49 GMT -5
Having these platforms for either party is a waste of time and money. Shame on both parties for pissing away money like this.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2012 16:16:08 GMT -5
Having these platforms for either party is a waste of time and money. Shame on both parties for pissing away money like this. Actually the GOP platform was useful is seeing where they want women to be. And frankly, can't people decide to waste whatever money they want? It is not governmental money.
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Post by thyme4change on Sept 7, 2012 16:23:13 GMT -5
The platform is the raised part of the stage where they put the dance floor, so it can be a real party.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Sept 7, 2012 19:17:52 GMT -5
Having these platforms for either party is a waste of time and money. Shame on both parties for pissing away money like this. Actually the GOP platform was useful is seeing where they want women to be. And frankly, can't people decide to waste whatever money they want? It is not governmental money. Yes, people can do whatever they want with their money, but I think donating money to politics is wasteful. Imagine how much better the world would be if half the money going to run political campaigns went to charity? I'd rather donate my money where it actually makes a difference. And if your candidate loses, you just wasted your money.
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Post by zibazinski on Sept 7, 2012 19:25:02 GMT -5
It sure is a waste of my money. My tax dollars. Presidents since Reagan have been against abortion. Roe vs. Wade is still in effect.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2012 19:30:28 GMT -5
It sure is a waste of my money. My tax dollars. Presidents since Reagan have been against abortion. Roe vs. Wade is still in effect. Tax dollars are not used for the national convention.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2012 19:32:02 GMT -5
Actually the GOP platform was useful is seeing where they want women to be. And frankly, can't people decide to waste whatever money they want? It is not governmental money. Yes, people can do whatever they want with their money, but I think donating money to politics is wasteful. Imagine how much better the world would be if half the money going to run political campaigns went to charity? I'd rather donate my money where it actually makes a difference. And if your candidate loses, you just wasted your money. Actually, it would not be a better place, IMO, because then the only ones to run would be those able to finance their own campaigns, aka the really rich. I like having a more broad base of elected officials, and would like it to be over more broad.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2012 21:15:58 GMT -5
Well, then i guess it was a waste too for the Republicans to adopt a platform to end all abortion, with no exception for rape or incest... ??
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2012 21:45:25 GMT -5
so why did they vote on it right before / during the convention? shouldn't they have had that figured out way prior? (thanks for the explanation BTW) They thought they did and voting on it at the convention was a formality, like nominating the President as the candidate. Then such a fuss was made about the word God being absent and Jeruselum not being named as the capital of Israel they paniced and decided to put it back in with a second vote. But the motion needed 2/3rds of the votes to be passed. When they asked for ayes and nays the cheers sounded too close to say there was a 2/3rds majority. But they did anyway. After calling for the vote 3 times. It was embarrassing for them but hilarious to watch.
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Post by Loopdilou on Sept 7, 2012 23:05:00 GMT -5
Huge flub on the part of the DNC. Glad I didn't go as a delegate, because I would have thrown a shit fit at the way the vote was handled.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Sept 8, 2012 0:51:15 GMT -5
"Actually, it would not be a better place, IMO, because then the only ones to run would be those able to finance their own campaigns, aka the really rich. I like having a more broad base of elected officials, and would like it to be over more broad." Touche saleswoman That's that's the same reason I don't get on the "let's cut congresses pay!" bandwagon. If we pay congress a pittance than you'll only have indepedently wealthy people running the country. Just curious though, what do candidates do with the leftover money after the campaign is over?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2012 6:37:17 GMT -5
"Actually, it would not be a better place, IMO, because then the only ones to run would be those able to finance their own campaigns, aka the really rich. I like having a more broad base of elected officials, and would like it to be over more broad." Touche saleswoman That's that's the same reason I don't get on the "let's cut congresses pay!" bandwagon. If we pay congress a pittance than you'll only have indepedently wealthy people running the country. Just curious though, what do candidates do with the leftover money after the campaign is over? Depends if it is federal or state and if they are sponsored by one of the parties or not.
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Post by zibazinski on Sept 8, 2012 8:40:30 GMT -5
Huge waste. Just put in there to pander to the crazy religious right. Abortion is not going away, period. Not now and not ever. Stupid to have even put it in there. Idiots. At least the dems were smart enough when the huge outcry came over omitting GOD and Jerusalem, stuck in back in there to pander to the Jews and whatever dems are actually religious.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2012 9:02:37 GMT -5
Having these platforms for either party is a waste of time and money. Shame on both parties for pissing away money like this. You know it's a PDF file, right? It's pretty much free.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2012 16:29:10 GMT -5
Huge waste. Just put in there to pander to the crazy religious right. Abortion is not going away, period. Not now and not ever. Stupid to have even put it in there. Idiots. At least the dems were smart enough when the huge outcry came over omitting GOD and Jerusalem, stuck in back in there to pander to the Jews and whatever dems are actually religious. And the fact that people think this, is why the GOP has been able to curtail abortion rights on the state level. In the last 10-15 years there have been states where you could not get an abortion. There are many areas without abortion services. And frankly, all it would take would be replacing two justices to overturn Roe v Wade.
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Post by zibazinski on Sept 8, 2012 17:56:09 GMT -5
It'll never happen.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2012 18:02:19 GMT -5
It IS happening... Inch by inch...
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Post by Loopdilou on Sept 8, 2012 18:12:33 GMT -5
Which is, undoubtedly, why there is only ONE abortion clinic in the entire state of Mississippi and it was almost closed down (or was closed down). "You've got the right to get an abortion (in some instances that we reserve the right to control, btw), but we're going to make sure there isn't a single place for you to get one."
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2012 20:47:44 GMT -5
Which is, undoubtedly, why there is only ONE abortion clinic in the entire state of Mississippi and it was almost closed down (or was closed down). "You've got the right to get an abortion (in some instances that we reserve the right to control, btw), but we're going to make sure there isn't a single place for you to get one." The pro-life group in Mississippi shut the last one down, then a few years later another was able to open up. They are now working on getting laws passed to close that one.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2012 20:51:32 GMT -5
Mississippi.. with the highest rate of infant mortality in the country... Maybe they should be focusing their efforts elsewhere...
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Post by zibazinski on Sept 9, 2012 8:52:33 GMT -5
The nice thing, still, about being an American , is that we are free to vote with our feet. Don't like the way a state runs their state? You can move to a state that you do. We had a poster say that if their child was special needs, she'd head to NJ or NY because they fund better. There are states that I would never put my child in a public school because their emphasis is certainly not on educating their young. There are states that I will most certainly retire in. Different strokes for different folks. We aren't totally socialist, yet.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2012 9:00:02 GMT -5
Having these platforms for either party is a waste of time and money. Shame on both parties for pissing away money like this. Good point. The less that the Dems actually have in writing, the easier it is to squirm out of whatever the topic is.
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