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Post by imawino on Sept 7, 2012 14:23:54 GMT -5
::Also - does CT provide a residence? Maybe a police officer would know the address. And see someone with that name and address put two and two together.:: If they put two and two together with her name and address though, then they'd have figure out who she was. She said they didn't believe she was the governor's wife, which means she said she was, and they didn't believe her. If I look at your name and address and say "oh you're the governor's wife", then there's no issue of me not believing you. I think you're being too literal. If I say "I can't believe you're 50, you look so young!" it doesn't mean that I truly don't believe you. It just means that I'm expressing shock because looks deceived me. Like the cop may have said "I can't believe the governor's wife drives this shitty old car!" Certainly we don't really know exactly what happened, but in my experience "I don't believe it!" is usually just one of those expressions people say that doesn't mean much.
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Post by thyme4change on Sept 7, 2012 14:27:33 GMT -5
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Post by hoops902 on Sept 7, 2012 14:44:28 GMT -5
::I think you're being too literal. If I say "I can't believe you're 50, you look so young!" it doesn't mean that I truly don't believe you. It just means that I'm expressing shock because looks deceived me. Like the cop may have said "I can't believe the governor's wife drives this shitty old car!" Certainly we don't really know exactly what happened, but in my experience "I don't believe it!" is usually just one of those expressions people say that doesn't mean much. ::
Your "expression" as you say it though is different than that person reporting the event later. If you say "i don't believe it, you look so young", yes, you're not being literal. But if that person later says "they didn't believe I was 50"...they either don't understand that it was just an expression, or they think the person really didn't believe it.
She also says "They didn't recognize me" because of the car, which would also indicate the "recognition" did not come from the cops.
I understand it might be an expression, but I don't think it's "jumping to negative" to assume that someone actually means what they type out. If you take her by what she actually wrote, rather than assigning some outside connotation to the remarks, it means she tried to make it clear to the cop she was the governor's wife...for some reason or another. So it's actually jumping to the other side since the only way you can view it as NOT that is to arbitrarily assign some kind of outside connotation to the remarks other than what she actually wrote. If people think that's a possibility or likely then that's fine, I just don't think it's assuming a negative to not assign context that's not included. If you read what she actually wrote, it's clear she attempted to convince the cop she was the governor's wife. It doesn't speak to her motivation of why she would do that, but I can't see all that many options for doing so to a random police officer giving you a seatbelt ticket.
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Post by thyme4change on Sept 7, 2012 14:54:26 GMT -5
I disagree. My husband was just telling me that he ran into a guy that he knew years ago, and they guy "just couldn't believe" how much weight he had lost. I don't think my husband was saying that the guy really didn't believe my husband was actually my husband, but instead his twin brother, who had never gained the weight, and studied my husband's life to such a degree that he could reminisce with an old casual acquantaince about something in order to fool him, but had to cover his tracks by saying he had lost 50 pounds. I think it was just a genuine surprise at how different he looked. I just can't believe it! Wow!
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Post by imawino on Sept 7, 2012 15:02:27 GMT -5
::I think you're being too literal. If I say "I can't believe you're 50, you look so young!" it doesn't mean that I truly don't believe you. It just means that I'm expressing shock because looks deceived me. Like the cop may have said "I can't believe the governor's wife drives this shitty old car!" Certainly we don't really know exactly what happened, but in my experience "I don't believe it!" is usually just one of those expressions people say that doesn't mean much. :: Your "expression" as you say it though is different than that person reporting the event later. If you say "i don't believe it, you look so young", yes, you're not being literal. But if that person later says "they didn't believe I was 50"...they either don't understand that it was just an expression, or they think the person really didn't believe it. She also says "They didn't recognize me" because of the car, which would also indicate the "recognition" did not come from the cops. I understand it might be an expression, but I don't think it's "jumping to negative" to assume that someone actually means what they type out. If you take her by what she actually wrote, rather than assigning some outside connotation to the remarks, it means she tried to make it clear to the cop she was the governor's wife...for some reason or another. So it's actually jumping to the other side since the only way you can view it as NOT that is to arbitrarily assign some kind of outside connotation to the remarks other than what she actually wrote. If people think that's a possibility or likely then that's fine, I just don't think it's assuming a negative to not assign context that's not included. If you read what she actually wrote, it's clear she attempted to convince the cop she was the governor's wife. It doesn't speak to her motivation of why she would do that, but I can't see all that many options for doing so to a random police officer giving you a seatbelt ticket. I still disagree. I could quite easily say (or type) "that guy didn't believe I was 50!" when I know that he in fact did "believe" it but expressed shock because I am so smoking hot. Like I could get pulled over and the cop could look at my license, do a double-take and exclaim "Dayum woman, you are too hot to be 50." And then after we finished doing it in the back of the cop car I'd tell all my friends how that cop couldn't BELIEVE I was 50. disclaimer: I'm not 50. Nor do I have sex with cops. eta: I see Thyme posted the same sentiment while I was typing but minus the porn subtext and plus some awesome soap opera secret twin stuff. I'm not sure which was better.
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Post by thyme4change on Sept 7, 2012 15:11:42 GMT -5
umm - yours! Totally!
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Post by zibazinski on Sept 7, 2012 15:12:09 GMT -5
Well, they usually check your name and address and see if you have any outstanding warrants. So they would have connected her name with her address and come back and said was she the governors wife? Maybe because she didn't have an entourage or a BMW, they were a bit startled but I doubt THEY said she drove a shitty car. I think she is the one that said it because they seemed surprised.
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Post by thyme4change on Sept 7, 2012 15:15:19 GMT -5
She said that most people think that you are driven in a car, but that is only the governor, and she only gets that treatment, or any security when she is with the governor. So, maybe they expected her to be in a towncar with a driver. And if they knew that wasn't a full-time deal for her - I would have expected her to be a Mercedes or something. Shit, every administrative assistant in this company drives a brand new BMW, so why wouldn't she?
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Post by imawino on Sept 7, 2012 15:21:18 GMT -5
I don't believe it!!
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Post by midjd on Sept 7, 2012 15:24:31 GMT -5
::Also - does CT provide a residence? Maybe a police officer would know the address. And see someone with that name and address put two and two together.:: If they put two and two together with her name and address though, then they'd have figure out who she was. She said they didn't believe she was the governor's wife, which means she said she was, and they didn't believe her. If I look at your name and address and say "oh you're the governor's wife", then there's no issue of me not believing you. I think you're being too literal. Hoops? Being too literal? NO WAY! I didn't see an article linked in the OP - are we assuming these exact words came from the First Lady's fingers? Or is it possible she was paraphrased? Or her assistant Tweeted it for her? You can't invalidate everyone else's assumptions and then assume that the quote in the OP is exactly what she said.
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Post by hoops902 on Sept 7, 2012 15:24:35 GMT -5
::I still disagree. I could quite easily say (or type) "that guy didn't believe I was 50!" when I know that he in fact did "believe" it but expressed shock because I am so smoking hot. Like I could get pulled over and the cop could look at my license, do a double-take and exclaim "Dayum woman, you are too hot to be 50." And then after we finished doing it in the back of the cop car I'd tell all my friends how that cop couldn't BELIEVE I was 50.::
I'm not saying this isn't the case, I'm just saying "jumping" to assuming that someone means what they say isn't exactly jumping " to the negative". In order to believe it's NOT her just trying to point out who she is it's adding something other than what she wrote. That's fine if you believe that's more likely. I'm just saying people aren't jumping to the negative side just because they're choosing to read what someone actually wrote as opposed to throwing in their own judgement that what they wrote is meant to be read sarcastically or with some other connotation that was completley unwritten in the statement provided.
People can read in their own interpretation anyway they want. But saying it was said in a joking or sarcastic way is adding context to support what you think...it's not actually what she said. By that token though you could take anything that anyone says to mean anything you want it to mean.
::Well, they usually check your name and address and see if you have any outstanding warrants. So they would have connected her name with her address and come back and said was she the governors wife?::
They could have done this...of course this is still making some extra assumption rather than taking what she said as factual. That's the thing, in order for this NOT to be her trying to get out of a ticket by attempting to flex her power, you have to start adding in things that she didn't actually say. I think that's the "jump" people are making. Taking someone at their word isn't jumping to anything imo.
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Post by thyme4change on Sept 7, 2012 15:27:03 GMT -5
LOL - I just opened up facebook and one of my friends posted a picture of her son and the caption says "I can't believe my baby is 9. Happy Birthday, Jake."
So, what, exactly, do you think she meant by "I can't believe my baby is 9." And why did she use the word "baby" when certainly, nobody considers a 9 year old an infant. I'm thinking I should call her and make sure everything is okay - because she must have amnesia or have been in a coma or something, given that she doesn't even believe her own son's age. But, after all, why did his age even come up in the first place. I mean, if she doesn't believe he is 9 - she probably doesn't even believe today is his birthday - so surely he brought it up to her because he wanted something. After all, today's kids are just "me, me, me." And they are all spoiled. Maybe it isn't his birthday at all, and he is just trying to trick her into getting more presents. That is the only logical explaination.
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Post by hoops902 on Sept 7, 2012 15:28:59 GMT -5
::Hoops? Being too literal? NO WAY! ::
I know, it's crazy how when people say stuff I just assume that they actually mean what they've written rather than referring to my secret code book on when people mean what they say and when they mean the exact opposite.
"They didn't recognize me and they didnt' believe me" apparently mean "well they did recognize me and they did believe me"...duh. Will someone please put a sticky up when it's opposite day so we know. Then I can be nice to everyone and tell everyone how they make such good decisions and how much I love and respect them:)
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Post by thyme4change on Sept 7, 2012 15:34:04 GMT -5
See the article I read had a different quote. It said "They just didn't believe I was driving this car." So, if only the court reporter that travels with her at all times could read back EXACTLY what was said at the police stop - that would be great.
But holy shit - if my stories were not paraphrased and interpreted instead of exactly verbatim - oh my god! They wouldn't be funny, and they would go on forever!
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Post by imawino on Sept 7, 2012 15:34:23 GMT -5
You're right of course, Hoops. To me, the initial story just read like something me or my friends might say (disclaimer: I am also not a governor's wife) in a way that was meant to be funny. So I didn't get any negative connotation from it.
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Post by hoops902 on Sept 7, 2012 15:35:16 GMT -5
::So, what, exactly, do you think she meant by "I can't believe my baby is 9." And why did she use the word "baby" when certainly, nobody considers a 9 year old an infant.::
But there's a difference between saying an expression, and then later recounting a story.
If I my wife and she says "I can't believe you're breaking up with me, get out and don't ever call me again", I don't later recount the story to people and tell them "I told her it was over but she didn't believe me".
There's also a big difference in saying "I don't believe xyz" when we KNOW the person DOES believe it, and recounting that someone doesn't believe you who in all likelihood wouldn't believe you on a topic.
If you recounted the story to us as "my friend didn't remember that it was her kid's birthday today, and she didn't believe us when we told her", I think most of us would assume your friend forgot and was having memory/thought problems. There's a big difference between someone saying something that you know is sarcastic/tongue-in-cheek and recounting facts later on to a 3rd party.
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Post by hoops902 on Sept 7, 2012 15:37:33 GMT -5
Again, I think it's ok for people to interpret it with a funny/sarcastic overtone. I'm just sayign I think it's unfair to label people as somehow jumping to the negative because they're reading it as it's written without adding those tones. I dont' think anyone who interprets it as light-hearted is necessarily wrong. I just dont' think it's wrong for people who happen to read it more literally to act on that either.
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Post by thyme4change on Sept 7, 2012 15:37:55 GMT -5
I agree. Hoops is right. The lady was clearing trying to fuck the country up the butt by driving without a seat belt and using her spouse's job to get out of a $68 ticket.
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Post by hoops902 on Sept 7, 2012 15:39:58 GMT -5
My bigger question when reading her recount of events is if they didn't recognize her because she was driving a shitty car, does she think she's famous enough as the wife of a governor to be recognized driving say...a bmw? I mean it's not like she's probably driving around in a phantom or something normally. I couldn't even recognize my boss's wife, let alone the governor's wife who I've probably never seen. It's not as if her husband's secretary didn't recognize her.
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Post by imawino on Sept 7, 2012 15:42:05 GMT -5
But there's a difference between saying an expression, and then later recounting a story. If I my wife and she says "I can't believe you're breaking up with me, get out and don't ever call me again", I don't later recount the story to people and tell them "I told her it was over but she didn't believe me". Not really. I'd probably say "I can't believe that dumb bitch didn't believe I was dumping her". disclaimer: I don't know your actual wife or think she's a dumb bitch. But I assume you're hypothetically dumping her for a darn good reason!
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Post by hoops902 on Sept 7, 2012 15:43:23 GMT -5
But there's a difference between saying an expression, and then later recounting a story. If I my wife and she says "I can't believe you're breaking up with me, get out and don't ever call me again", I don't later recount the story to people and tell them "I told her it was over but she didn't believe me". Not really. I'd probably say "I can't believe that dumb bitch didn't believe I was dumping her". disclaimer: I don't know your actual wife or think she's a dumb bitch. But I assume you're hypothetically dumping her for a darn good reason! Only if "darn good reason" means "she got fat".
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Post by thyme4change on Sept 7, 2012 15:43:36 GMT -5
I think the biggest question of all is why she isn't already booked as the keynote speaker for the YM convention??!! A 12 year old car? That is downright commendable! Woot!
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Post by imawino on Sept 7, 2012 15:43:38 GMT -5
I agree. Hoops is right. The lady was clearing trying to fuck the country up the butt by driving without a seat belt and using her spouse's job to get out of a $68 ticket. Why does the expression "up the butt" make me laugh so hard??
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Post by thyme4change on Sept 7, 2012 15:44:36 GMT -5
I was wondering if that sentence should be edited - how about weasle-whack up the poop shoot?
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Post by imawino on Sept 7, 2012 15:44:42 GMT -5
Not really. I'd probably say "I can't believe that dumb bitch didn't believe I was dumping her". disclaimer: I don't know your actual wife or think she's a dumb bitch. But I assume you're hypothetically dumping her for a darn good reason! Only if "darn good reason" means "she got fat". I just checked, that qualifies.
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Post by hoops902 on Sept 7, 2012 15:45:06 GMT -5
I think the biggest question of all is why she isn't already booked as the keynote speaker for the YM convention??!! A 12 year old car? That is downright commendable! Woot! Someone else said she redecorated the governor home. Redecorating is not the YM way.
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Post by hoops902 on Sept 7, 2012 15:45:51 GMT -5
I was wondering if that sentence should be edited - how about weasle-whack up the poop shoot? I believe in the midwest (read to YM as "flyover states") we refer to that as "getting cornholed".
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Post by imawino on Sept 7, 2012 15:46:32 GMT -5
I was wondering if that sentence should be edited - how about weasle-whack up the poop shoot? Works for me. Can you work in a euphemism for doggy-style?
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Post by imawino on Sept 7, 2012 15:47:23 GMT -5
I think the biggest question of all is why she isn't already booked as the keynote speaker for the YM convention??!! A 12 year old car? That is downright commendable! Woot! Someone else said she redecorated the governor home. Redecorating is not the YM way. Doing it on somebody else's dime is!
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Post by thyme4change on Sept 7, 2012 15:47:51 GMT -5
She is definitely a cornholer - first redecorating, and then "forgetting" to put on her seat belt.
Let's kill her.
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