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Post by Colleenz on Sept 4, 2012 14:01:03 GMT -5
A little?
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Post by Spellbound454 on Sept 4, 2012 14:44:13 GMT -5
I think many of our great and glorious are psychopaths.
Who would want to be a world leader?....Its just not normal.....is it.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Sept 4, 2012 15:50:40 GMT -5
No, in a nutshell.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 4, 2012 15:55:53 GMT -5
I think many of our great and glorious are psychopaths. i have to disagree with you there. i think FEW leaders are psychopaths. however, i think some have generally sociopathic traits such as narcissism. narcissism would be a fairly natural trait for leadership, i would think. i can go for the abnormal remark tho. but i have a pretty low opinion of normal.  |
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Post by billisonboard on Sept 4, 2012 16:14:10 GMT -5
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Post by Phoenix84 on Sept 4, 2012 17:07:45 GMT -5
"Who would want to be a world leader?....Its just not normal.....is it."
I've considered this too. I think anyone who pursues a high public office (no matter what party) is inherantly selfish. You can't put in all that work and spend all that money if you really have altruistic intentions.
And I think that's why we end up with no so great candidates.
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Post by weltschmerz on Sept 4, 2012 17:13:42 GMT -5
Narcissism and selfishness are not necessarily indicative of psychopathology or sociopathy. The true test is a complete lack of empathy. No conscience, no guilt and very little feeling.
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Post by Peace Of Mind on Sept 4, 2012 17:18:28 GMT -5
Narcissism and selfishness are not necessarily indicative of psychopathology or sociopathy. The true test is a complete lack of empathy. No conscience, no guilt and very little feeling. Oh! So it's mostly the bankers and wall street people.  |
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Post by Value Buy on Sept 4, 2012 17:27:58 GMT -5
Narcissism and selfishness are not necessarily indicative of psychopathology or sociopathy. The true test is a complete lack of empathy. No conscience, no guilt and very little feeling. Oh! So it's mostly the bankers and wall street people. No, she just described our President. |
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Post by wyouser on Sept 4, 2012 17:35:04 GMT -5
Virgil may have a point with "we". We the voters are the ones pulling the levers and blacking the boxes or as in the past creating the "chads" Given WHAT we continually put in office.....there must be something wrong with us. All of us, red states and blue states inhabitants, need to lay off theKool Aid before entering the ballot box  |
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Post by mmhmm on Sept 4, 2012 17:42:43 GMT -5
I think many of our great and glorious are psychopaths. Who would want to be a world leader?....Its just not normal.....is it. You can say that again! Personally, I'd rather be dragged slowly through a fire pit than take on that kind of responsibility. It's frightening to even think of it, and I'd never consider myself even close to capable of doing it even passingly well. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2012 17:43:48 GMT -5
If no is in a nutshell where is yes?  |
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Sept 4, 2012 18:01:19 GMT -5
In the minds of the nuts who want to be world leaders, I guess. I'm with mmhmm. I'd rather chew glass than have my entire life revolve around what is—literally and figuratively—politically correct. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 4, 2012 18:32:01 GMT -5
Oh! So it's mostly the bankers and wall street people. No, she just described our President. you really think he has NPD? seriously? the dude is a creampuff. if anything, he thinks way TOO much of people. |
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Post by Opti on Sept 4, 2012 18:37:27 GMT -5
Narcissism and selfishness are not necessarily indicative of psychopathology or sociopathy. The true test is a complete lack of empathy. No conscience, no guilt and very little feeling. Oh! So it's mostly the bankers and wall street people.  (I don't think the bolded describes Obama or Bush at all. Some of the higher up Goldman Sacks folk yes. It takes some serious its all about me to enable Goldman and others to sell School Boards and cities down the river to make a profit.) |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2012 18:38:03 GMT -5
Yes, you would probably have to think extremely highly of yourself to want to be the leader of a nation, to be a man of destiny, to change the course of world events (I use the word Man in its universal sense…no gender discrimination meant or implied). But if those kinds of egos and men are spat out by nature and are meant to exist, and it is in our nature, then there also need to be accountability measures and ways to keep us in check. Whew…this is getting dramatic. Cue the appropriate suspenseful, dramatic music.
Let's face it, most of us are just sheep, loudly baaa, baaa, baaaing all the time, just trying to get by in our own small lives.
Politicians today are paid civil servants. Not one of them is in it for selfless reasons. There is a great leader born perhaps every hundred years...and I would also say, beware of great leaders, they can lead you to destruction as easily as they can lead you to glory and the New Jerusalem.
It is an age of functionaries, mediocrity, and nerds and geeks. That may not be such a bad thing.
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Post by Opti on Sept 4, 2012 18:39:21 GMT -5
If no is in a nutshell where is yes? I guess its everywhere else so yes is the preferred answer ... ;D |
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Post by Opti on Sept 4, 2012 18:43:25 GMT -5
Yes, you would probably have to think extremely highly of yourself to want to be the leader of a nation, to be a man of destiny, to change the course of world events (I use the word Man in its universal sense…no gender discrimination meant or implied). But if those kinds of egos and men are spat out by nature and are meant to exist, and it is in our nature, then there also need to be accountability measures and ways to keep us in check. Whew…this is getting dramatic. Cue the appropriate suspenseful, dramatic music. Let's face it, most of us are just sheep, loudly baaa, baaa, baaaing all the time, just trying to get by in our own small lives. Politicians today are paid civil servants. Not one of them is in it for selfless reasons. There is a great leader born perhaps every hundred years...and I would also say, beware of great leaders, they can lead you to destruction as easily as they can lead you to glory and the New Jerusalem. It is an age of functionaries, mediocrity, and nerds and geeks. That may not be such a bad thing. I guess *I* define a great leader as one who leads people to greatness. Not sure what I would call a leader type who can sway many to their destruction. Hitler, Jim Jones, Sun Young Moon(wrong spelling but too lazy to find the correct spelling), etc. I like having the Churchills, Ghandis, and Mother Teresa's of the world. Greatness involves being made a target like our recent Presidents and triumphing anyway. |
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Post by Opti on Sept 4, 2012 18:46:33 GMT -5
Oops, almost forgot the Dalai Lama. There's something about a religious philosphy that has a meditation that offers up every part of one's body to the greater good of all that has always sat right with me. (Stopped saying the rest of what I had typed as I'm supposed to not mention religion anywhere here except in the proper sandbox. Chaos averted. ) |
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Post by billisonboard on Sept 4, 2012 18:54:45 GMT -5
... I guess *I* define a great leader as one who leads people to greatness. ... “Really great people make you feel that you, too, can become great.” Mark Twain |
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Post by Reckless Roselia on Sept 5, 2012 1:59:13 GMT -5
I think many of our great and glorious are psychopaths. Who would want to be a world leader?....Its just not normal.....is it. No, it isn't. Many of us want to be lead rather than be the leader. |
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Post by Reckless Roselia on Sept 5, 2012 1:59:53 GMT -5
Narcissism and selfishness are not necessarily indicative of psychopathology or sociopathy. The true test is a complete lack of empathy. No conscience, no guilt and very little feeling. Exactly and they are excellent qualities for a leader. |
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Post by kittensaver on Sept 5, 2012 2:10:56 GMT -5
Oh! So it's mostly the bankers and wall street people. No, she just described our President. No, she just described Mitt Romney. A guy who can strap a living, sentient being (his dog) to the top of his car, exposing him to hours of the elements at freeway speeds while his luggage rides inside, then hoses out the cage WITH THE DOG STILL IN IT after the animal gets sick, first denies the incident, then finally admits it's true claiming the dog "loved" it (riding on top in a carrier) and then spins the whole incident as "proof of [my] emotion-free crisis management abilities" earns my vote as a person with a complete lack of empathy. And don't get me started on the show horse they drugged heavily so they could sell it . . . no conscience, no guilt.  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2012 6:21:58 GMT -5
Oh please, if you want to turn this into a political thread we can start talking about Narcissistic, It's All about ME, Obama.  |
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Post by Reckless Roselia on Sept 5, 2012 6:25:38 GMT -5
Oh please, if you want to turn this into a political thread we can start talking about Narcissistic, It's All about ME, Obama. You're posting in the Money and Politics :: Politics and the Markets . Not an Obama fan I see. Neither am I. But I prefer the liberals to the republicans. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2012 6:26:23 GMT -5
That's nice.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2012 7:14:13 GMT -5
I think many of our great and glorious are psychopaths. i have to disagree with you there. i think FEW leaders are psychopaths. however, i think some have generally sociopathic traits such as narcissism. narcissism would be a fairly natural trait for leadership, i would think. Indeed, there is some suggestion now, from the ladies and gentleman of science, that leadership may induce such traits by virtue of the effects of power - the experience of it - on brain chemistry. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 5, 2012 10:10:13 GMT -5
i have to disagree with you there. i think FEW leaders are psychopaths. however, i think some have generally sociopathic traits such as narcissism. narcissism would be a fairly natural trait for leadership, i would think. Indeed, there is some suggestion now, from the ladies and gentleman of science, that leadership may induce such traits by virtue of the effects of power - the experience of it - on brain chemistry. i am not sure i agree with that, either. but i am no expert. |
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Post by wyouser on Sept 5, 2012 10:10:34 GMT -5
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