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Post by Opti on Aug 18, 2012 18:02:12 GMT -5
www.cnn.com/2012/08/17/justice/new-york-chapman-parole-hearing/index.htmlI'm posting this here because I'm hoping the lawyers on the board will explain why release isn't automatic after the sentence is served and why it would be called parole. From the article: He was last up for parole in 2010, but was denied because his "discretionary release remains inappropriate at this time and incompatible with the welfare of the community," according to the New York State Division of Parole.
He was also denied parole in 2000, 2002, 2004, 2006 and 2008.
Chapman, 57, is serving a sentence of 20 years to life in prison, and is being held at the Wende Correctional Facility in Alden, New York.
He is in protective custody in a single-person cell, Claren-Weaver said, and is allowed out three hours per day.
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 18, 2012 18:08:01 GMT -5
WWJD?
What would John do?
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Post by swamp on Aug 18, 2012 18:09:12 GMT -5
Because his sentence is 20 to life, it means it's not technically done until he's dead. He's first eligible for parole after he's served 20 years. Generally, the first parole bid is denied as a matter of course. The inmate is then reviewed for parole every two years and it's at the total discretion of the parole board. Since the guy is nuts they probably won't ever let him out.
If he is released, it's called parole because he needs to follow certain conditions of release and report to his parole officer. If he screws up, back to prison he goes.
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Post by swamp on Aug 18, 2012 18:09:35 GMT -5
That cat is never going to get out of jail...sorry, I'm not a lawyer so I can't give the specific reasons :-P. Because he's whacked is the reason. |
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Post by Opti on Aug 18, 2012 18:12:10 GMT -5
Thanks Swamp. Crappy written articles.  I didn't see either one say 20 to life just a twenty year sentence.That makes a lot of sense. I did notice he seems still to be in solitary confinement which doesn't seem all that conducive to getting parole. |
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Post by TheOtherMe on Aug 18, 2012 20:13:30 GMT -5
I hope this creep never gets out of prison. Yoko Ono sends a letter to the parole board stating her reasons for being against his parole whenever this happens.
Beatles fans, including me, do the same thing. In the world of Beatles people, we figure there is an equally crazed fan out there who will off him. If he wants to live, he's better off behind bars.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Aug 18, 2012 20:34:16 GMT -5
John who? Oh the things you old people talk about.  |
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Post by michelyn8 on Aug 20, 2012 13:53:27 GMT -5
Meanwhile John Hinckley gets to make weekend visits to his parents or something like that. I guess the difference is that Reagan survivied and Lennon didnt?
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Post by swamp on Aug 20, 2012 13:56:11 GMT -5
Meanwhile John Hinckley gets to make weekend visits to his parents or something like that. I guess the difference is that Reagan survivied and Lennon didnt? No, the difference is Hinckley was found not guilty by reason of mental disease and defect and was housed in a secure mental facility. Different goals and different rules. Lennon's killer is in prison. You don't get weekend passes from jail. |
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Post by nalto on Aug 20, 2012 14:20:43 GMT -5
I heard he's in confinement for his own safety.
Whenever I hear about him, I always think of the comedian who pointed out that murderers/serial killers seem to have the three name thing going. Mark David Chapman, John Wilkes Booth, James Earl Ray, Lee Harvey Oswald...
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Post by michelyn8 on Aug 21, 2012 7:13:21 GMT -5
Meanwhile John Hinckley gets to make weekend visits to his parents or something like that. I guess the difference is that Reagan survivied and Lennon didnt? No, the difference is Hinckley was found not guilty by reason of mental disease and defect and was housed in a secure mental facility. Different goals and different rules. Lennon's killer is in prison. You don't get weekend passes from jail. True, I forgot about that part of his sentencing. I guess the main issue I have is if he is well enough for those weekend passes, then he is well enough to stand trial for his crime. After 25+ years of treatment, if he isn't well enough to understand what the trial is for and his actions, then he is still a threat to others. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2012 6:04:56 GMT -5
More of why the death penalty is needed. If you murder someone and are found guilty, then they should give you a last meal and off you immediately after the trial so it is a done deal.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2012 7:31:45 GMT -5
Thanks Swamp. Crappy written articles. I didn't see either one say 20 to life just a twenty year sentence.That makes a lot of sense. Your original post had his sentence length... Chapman, 57, is serving a sentence of 20 years to life in prison, and is being held at the Wende Correctional Facility in Alden, New York. |
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Post by swamp on Aug 22, 2012 7:39:40 GMT -5
No, the difference is Hinckley was found not guilty by reason of mental disease and defect and was housed in a secure mental facility. Different goals and different rules. Lennon's killer is in prison. You don't get weekend passes from jail. True, I forgot about that part of his sentencing. I guess the main issue I have is if he is well enough for those weekend passes, then he is well enough to stand trial for his crime. After 25+ years of treatment, if he isn't well enough to understand what the trial is for and his actions, then he is still a threat to others. He was competent to stand trial. He was found not guilty after trial by reason of mental disease or defect. |
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Post by zibazinski on Aug 22, 2012 9:37:21 GMT -5
What's sad about this is that only if you kill someone famous or a cop, do you seem to get justice. Just your run of the mill person, he'd be out by now.
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Post by midjd on Aug 22, 2012 9:39:25 GMT -5
More of why the death penalty is needed. If you murder someone and are found guilty, then they should give you a last meal and off you immediately after the trial so it is a done deal. There are some major constitutional issues with that idea... |
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Post by zibazinski on Aug 22, 2012 9:39:54 GMT -5
Too bad about that.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Aug 23, 2012 21:13:58 GMT -5
He who shall not be named was denied parole today.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Aug 23, 2012 21:33:29 GMT -5
What's sad about this is that only if you kill someone famous or a cop, do you seem to get justice. Just your run of the mill person, he'd be out by now. I've read that it's often the opposite. Celebrity train wrecks brought in on drug charges, public indecency charges, etc. are actually sentenced to steep fines, prison time, etc. for crimes that judges normally "let go" with a wrist slap on first offense to avoid bankrupting citizens and/or overcrowding the prison system. |
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Post by mcsangel2 on Aug 25, 2012 0:13:10 GMT -5
Beatles fans, including me, do the same thing. In the world of Beatles people, we figure there is an equally crazed fan out there who will off him. If he wants to live, he's better off behind bars. My DH is a huge Beatles fan and he always says this same thing. |
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Post by doxieluvr on Aug 25, 2012 6:36:25 GMT -5
John who? Oh the things you old people talk about.  I believe lennon is some weird guy that wore funny looking glasses... |
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Post by doxieluvr on Aug 25, 2012 6:39:55 GMT -5
I heard he's in confinement for his own safety. Whenever I hear about him, I always think of the comedian who pointed out that murderers/serial killers seem to have the three name thing going. Mark David Chapman, John Wilkes Booth, James Earl Ray, Lee Harvey Oswald... Off topic, but John Wilkes Booth's home is open on Sunday and we are going to tour it. I can't wait. |
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