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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2012 9:21:25 GMT -5
So the red hair came from Diana's side of the family and not her riding instructor.
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Post by 973beachbum on Aug 16, 2012 9:22:40 GMT -5
So the red hair came from Diana's side of the family and not her riding instructor. Then how did Diana get a blonde child out of brown haired Charles?
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Post by alabamagal on Aug 16, 2012 9:28:54 GMT -5
Hair color is complicated genetically. You do not have to have two blonds to have a blond child. (I am definitely brown haired, have 2 blonds and 1 brown child). You do not have to have any red heads to have a red headed child, although more likely to come from someone blond (Diana).
When you look at the 2 boys, I think you see pretty strong features from both Diana and Charles, so just put the rumors to rest.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2012 9:30:01 GMT -5
So the red hair came from Diana's side of the family and not her riding instructor. Then how did Diana get a blonde child out of brown haired Charles? I have 3 redheaded sisters, a brunette one, my brother and I were born with blonde hair and we all came from the same two people.
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Post by kittensaver on Aug 16, 2012 9:35:15 GMT -5
See Dark? Folks LOVE to talk about royalty . . . that's what they're good for!
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 16, 2012 9:37:10 GMT -5
I know I'm not allowed to speak ill of the dead - but Diana sounds like one messed up chick. Every time I turn around, I hear about some emotional / mental health problem. She never did strike me as a confident person.
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 16, 2012 9:38:44 GMT -5
And there are always anomolies. Brown eyes are genetically dominant, but my brown eyed mother has 3 out of 3 blue eyed children. And all of her grandkids have blue or green eyes. It is like her genes didn't even make it into the soup!
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Post by 973beachbum on Aug 16, 2012 9:43:26 GMT -5
Then how did Diana get a blonde child out of brown haired Charles? I have 3 redheaded sisters, a brunette one, my brother and I were born with blonde hair and we all came from the same two people. Because it is complicated but I promise you if you had one parent with two brown hair genes you will get children with brown hair every time. The younger child does look a lot like dad in this case though. Not just a little either. Of course he has a resemblance to his uncle though because his mom and uncle are spitting images of each other. I'm not saying you can't have strange things happen but this conspiracy theory is just that.
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Post by midjd on Aug 16, 2012 9:43:49 GMT -5
Genetics are weird. My dad has brown hair and brown eyes, my mom has blond hair and blue eyes.
First three kids: Red/brown, brown/green, blond/blue. None of us look even remotely related to each other.
Then it got really weird when he married XSM (brown hair/brown eyes). They had two blonde, blue-eyed kids. If they didn't both look exactly like my dad, I'd think something was afoot. Oddly, they both look a lot more like me than my "whole" siblings do.
I think as Harry gets older, he does start to resemble Charles a bit. And William used to be the spitting image of Diana, but now he looks like Charles, too. (Isn't it usually the opposite - the kid looks like dad at birth?)
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Post by 973beachbum on Aug 16, 2012 9:46:40 GMT -5
And there are always anomolies. Brown eyes are genetically dominant, but my brown eyed mother has 3 out of 3 blue eyed children. And all of her grandkids have blue or green eyes. It is like her genes didn't even make it into the soup! There are two color genes in every person. The one you see and the one you don't. So she obviously had one brown eye color gene and one blue gene you coudln't see. Each parent gives one of them to their children. She just kept throwing the blue one you couldn't see. Blue eyes and red hair are double recessives. A person has to have both genes be blue or red to have the blue eyes or red hair. In your case all those kids did have moms genes just not the ones that you could see.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2012 9:49:35 GMT -5
Yup. And all 3 redheads ended up marrying men with NO red in their family just to be sure they wouldn't have redheaded kids.
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Post by 973beachbum on Aug 16, 2012 9:52:08 GMT -5
Yup. And all 3 redheads ended up marrying men with NO red in their family just to be sure they wouldn't have redheaded kids. DH is a redhead with blue eyed parents. I really would have loved a blue eyed, red haired little girl. Guess what my brown hair and clearly a hazel eye recessive won both times.
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Post by midjd on Aug 16, 2012 9:59:27 GMT -5
Ha, my mom told me once that she cried when my hair started coming in red. And she wonders why I have issues!
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Post by steph08 on Aug 16, 2012 10:17:24 GMT -5
So the red hair came from Diana's side of the family and not her riding instructor. Then how did Diana get a blonde child out of brown haired Charles? Agree with the hair color is really complicated. Friends from school - 2 brown-haired parents, 4 daughters. First two daughters - redheads. Second two daughters - brunettes. Some great-grandmother or someone had that gene along the line and passed it down.
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 16, 2012 10:34:15 GMT -5
I know I'm not allowed to speak ill of the dead - but Diana sounds like one messed up chick. Every time I turn around, I hear about some emotional / mental health problem. She never did strike me as a confident person. I know you shouldn't speak ill of the dead, too, but I never understood the whole Cult of Diana myself. I didn't like the way she went whining to the media about her marriage in an open play to garner sympathy from the British people - the whole "poor me, my husband has a girlfriend, the royal family are all royal asses." Sorry, she had the option to quietly divorce him and go on with her fabulously wealthy, privileged life without dragging the royal family and her children through the trashy gossip magazines time and again. That's what classy women do, anyway.
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Post by lurkyloo on Aug 16, 2012 10:37:57 GMT -5
I think hair and eye color is a little more complicated even than the classic two-gene recessive vs. dominant model. oh, and to weigh in: my mother has very brown eyes; father has very blue eyes. Both brothers are blue-eyed; I'm hazel. So much for that dominant brown thing. Does anyone have a story of two (naturally) blond parents and a brown-haired child? With no hanky-panky going on? My HS biology teacher, with a master's in genetics, liked to tell a story about their instructor telling them to try to come up with a way for a black man to have blue eyes and blond hair. They tried like crazy, never did come up with a rationale...but sure enough, the instructor brought in a blue-eyed blond black man. Hm. Now I retell the story I think it's a little racist. The storytelling teacher was black, if that helps...and the blond hair was apparently curly
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Post by shanendoah on Aug 16, 2012 10:40:30 GMT -5
I remember hearing, around the time that Charles and Diana divorced, that the Queen had been planning on abdicating, but the divorce made it so that Charles and no one in his generation could be King, so she decided to hand around until she died because she didn't want William to have to become King too young. Then Diana was killed, and Charles was no longer divorced, but a Widower, making him once again eligible to be King. But by that time, the Queen was sticking it out, at least for her Diamond Jubliee and the Olympics. Given Prince Philip's health, I actually wouldn't be surprised to see the Queen abdicate in the next few years, so that she and her husband can "retire" (as much as that's possible) and leave the work of being the monarch to Charles.
Also, I'm pretty certain that the day after Charles and Camilla wed, Parliament passed a law saying she would never be Queen. (And this was not a surprise. Everyone knew it was going to happen. Parliament would have passed it sooner, but they couldn't until she and Charles were actually married.)
I have a co-worker whose family is English, and she and I talk about these things on occassion.
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Post by lurkyloo on Aug 16, 2012 10:41:19 GMT -5
Regarding Diana's mental health: She was a quiet, shy, virginal early-twenty-something when the storied crown prince came calling. Sounded like a real-life fairy tale...until it came out that the crown prince was irrevocably in love with someone else and had no plans to call that affair off; she wasn't allowed to show any emotion, and her MIL ruled not only the roost but the whole country and wasn't particularly sympathetic. I think that's absolutely a recipe for disaster for someone who's not emotionally strong in the first place.
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Post by shanendoah on Aug 16, 2012 10:43:09 GMT -5
For blood type, you can play the dominant/recessive game and it will work. But for hair color and eye color, they are not determined by a single gene combination, they are tied to entire strands of DNA, and are pretty much the one thing we still can't predict.
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 16, 2012 10:43:53 GMT -5
Why wouldn't she abdicate if she is 100 years old and ill? I don't get the culture around it. Abdicating when you are young is one thing, but after a lifetime of being Queen, there is still no way she would want to relieve herself of some of those duties if she becomes very tired?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2012 10:45:32 GMT -5
She could just become The Face of the Monarchy and let the kids and grandkids do all of the public appearances.
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 16, 2012 10:47:21 GMT -5
William will have a baby way before that would happen.
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 16, 2012 10:48:46 GMT -5
When she dies, they will get all new money! What else do they change? Does Canada's money still have the queen on it? What would they do? Are there other countries that still have those weird ties, but not to England that use her likeness on official things?
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 16, 2012 10:51:24 GMT -5
Regarding Diana's mental health: She was a quiet, shy, virginal early-twenty-something when the storied crown prince came calling. Sounded like a real-life fairy tale...until it came out that the crown prince was irrevocably in love with someone else and had no plans to call that affair off; she wasn't allowed to show any emotion, and her MIL ruled not only the roost but the whole country and wasn't particularly sympathetic. I think that's absolutely a recipe for disaster for someone who's not emotionally strong in the first place. Yes she was quiet and shy but not stupid. She had to know what a challenge it would be marrying into that family. Not only dealing with a MIL who is the Queen and who gets to decide a lot of things that impact your life, but how you would spend the rest of your life living in a fishbowl. (Remember how her virginity became a topic of discussion?) She was British, she knew how important the monarchy is in that country. And she only had to take a brief glance through English history to see that the number of British Kings with mistresses far outweighed the ones who stayed faithful. (In fact, if I'm not mistaken, Camillia was related to a woman who was a famous mistress to a previous King.) Sorry, I don't have much sympathy for her. Kind of like an American marrying a Kennedy and then complaining they didn't know there would be so much dsyfunction and public scrutiny.
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 16, 2012 10:53:38 GMT -5
At least the Kennedys are drinkers. I would rather go to a party of Kennedys than have to be hanging with QE.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Aug 16, 2012 11:40:19 GMT -5
At least the Kennedys are drinkers. I would rather go to a party of Kennedys than have to be hanging with QE. I wonder what brands of booze/wine/beer get served at the Palace...
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 16, 2012 11:43:17 GMT -5
LOL - Well, they still hate the French, so I wonder if they are drinking Australian wines or something. But, of course, they have this:
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Post by flopsy on Aug 16, 2012 12:06:09 GMT -5
Then how did Diana get a blonde child out of brown haired Charles? I'm still trying to figure out how my mother had six red heads and one brunette. Doesn't make sense to me...
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Aug 16, 2012 12:09:28 GMT -5
Because it is complicated but I promise you if you had one parent with two brown hair genes you will get children with brown hair every time
No you don't. My parents both have very dark brown hair and my brother is a blond.
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Post by flopsy on Aug 16, 2012 12:09:53 GMT -5
DH is a redhead with blue eyed parents. I really would have loved a blue eyed, red haired little girl. I'm up for adoption
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