RAPE: The House GOP's Plan To Redefine

[ugonow]

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Tennesseer/Moderator

[deziloooooo]

What about the date drug that supposedly is available, I don't even know the name of it or how prevelent , how often used , but understand it is a concern, if one is given that, then intercourse and pregnancy happens, is that considered rape?

[ameiko]

If the right to abortion is based on privacy, public funds have no place there.

If those on the left don't like it, then they can donate their own money to that cause. Seriously, I and many others are sick of this nonsense; the left claims that it's the right that forces their beliefs on others yet it is the left who insist on stealing our money to pay for their causes.

[burnsattornincan]

Mr. ameiko, it is a pleasure to see you again. Looking forward to your insightful posts.

Dalton McGuinty Burns III

[Deleted]

SO---- my only question is-- from what you guys want-- can anyone go in and say they were raped?? Do they need a police report or anything? Just like late term abortions for "the mother's health," which includes mental, which covers anyone that feels like getting a late term abortion because it would freak her out really bad to have a kid... what guidelines do you want for rape abortions? Any? Or do I just walk in, say I was raped, and get an abortion? If so-- the numbers of unreported rapes are about to go WAY up-- on tax payer dollars.

[chiver78]

Jan 29, 2011 22:51:30 GMT -5 @krickitt said:

If so-- the numbers of unreported rapes are about to go WAY up-- on tax payer dollars.

you make this sound like a bad thing. if we give these women the benefit of the doubt and they truly were raped, would you want them to report it?

[billisonboard]

Jan 29, 2011 22:51:30 GMT -5 @krickitt said:

SO---- my only question is-- from what you guys want-- can anyone go in and say they were raped?? Do they need a police report or anything? Just like late term abortions for "the mother's health," which includes mental, which covers anyone that feels like getting a late term abortion because it would freak her out really bad to have a kid... what guidelines do you want for rape abortions? Any? Or do I just walk in, say I was raped, and get an abortion? If so-- the numbers of unreported rapes are about to go WAY up-- on tax payer dollars.

Will create an interesting situation, won't it.

[Deleted]

Would I want a woman to report a RAPE??? Well, hell yes!!! Did I read you wrong, or what?

[steff]

Are you saying you agree with what the politicians in the OP are trying to do krickett?

[Deleted]

I am saying exactly what I said. I am normally pretty clear when I say what I say. Your answer IS???

[Deleted]

I am out of here, okay, steff?? Let's not................

[steff]

For years, federal laws restricting the use of government funds to pay for abortions have included exemptions for pregnancies resulting from rape or incest. (Another exemption covers pregnancies that could endanger the life of the woman.) But the "No Taxpayer Funding for Abortion Act," a bill with 173 mostly Republican co-sponsors that House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) has dubbed a top priority in the new Congress, contains a provision that would rewrite the rules to limit drastically the definition of rape and incest in these cases.
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Then you agree with this.... interesting

[steff]

and as far as "what do I want".... I don't want any victim to have to go in front of some random committee for them to decide if she's been violated enough to warrant their approval to control her own body. I don't want victims to be revictimized and have her future, her health or well being to be decided by some random committee of strangers who have no idea about her situation, her circumstances or her pain.

I want senators & politicians to stay out of our bedrooms and leave the choices about our bodies to us. No different than saying no to death panels if you think about it.

[marjar]

I suggest contacting your representatives and telling them you disagree with this proposal.

[Tennesseer]

Jan 29, 2011 15:18:59 GMT -5 deziloooooo said:

What about the date drug that supposedly is available, I don't even know the name of it or how prevelent , how often used , but understand it is a concern, if one is given that, then intercourse and pregnancy happens, is that considered rape?

Dezi-you might be thinking of Flunitrazepam (Rohypnol or "Roofies"). It is illegal to give anyone without a prescription let alone someone's consent. So if it slipped into another's drink without the drinker's consent, that is a criminal offense.

Flunitrazepam is a powerful sedative, motor-impairing, and has strong amnestic properties. The person illegally slipped a dose of Flunitrazepam is unable to fend off a sexual attack and its amnestic properties may cause the victim not to remember anything for 4 to 8 hours.

So whether a not a pregnancy occurs, it would be classified as a rape if they were unknowingly slipped the drug and never gave their consent for sex.

[steff]

I suggest contacting your representatives and telling them you disagree with this proposal

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Sadly, since I live in Georgia, there are very few representatives that are on my side when it comes to things such as this.

[marjar]

Jan 29, 2011 23:02:59 GMT -5 @krickitt said:

I am saying exactly what I said. I am normally pretty clear when I say what I say. Your answer IS???

Krickitt - Sometimes you aren't clear. A little confusing, now and then.

[marjar]

Jan 29, 2011 23:25:28 GMT -5 steff said:

I suggest contacting your representatives and telling them you disagree with this proposal

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Sadly, since I live in Georgia, there are very few representatives that are on my side when it comes to things such as this.

Right, I forgot about GA politicians.

[Tennesseer]

Jan 29, 2011 23:25:28 GMT -5 steff said:

I suggest contacting your representatives and telling them you disagree with this proposal

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Sadly, since I live in Georgia, there are very few representatives that are on my side when it comes to things such as this.

That shouldn't matter Steff-if you are the only person in Georgia who thinks it is wrong you should speak up.

[steff]

Just never thought that some politician would decide they needed to "redefine" rape & incest to fit their political agendas. Just makes me sick to think that they might get it passed.

[lakhota]

Dem Rep Opens Up On Abortion Bill That Redefines Rape

Rep. Daniel Lipinski (D-IL) is going on the record about the controversial abortion bill he co-sponsored in the House that would only allow pregnant women to obtain insurance coverage for an abortion if they were the victims of a so-called "forcible rape," rather than other criminal sexual act.

In a statement sent to TPM, Lipinski says the intent of the abortion law -- known in the House as H.R. 3, or the No Taxpayer Funding for Abortion Act -- was to make permanent the existing limits on abortion in the federal code, including the existing exemptions for women who were raped. Lipinski suggests he will reexamine the issue as the bill moves forward.

"The language of H.R. 3 was not intended to change existing law regarding taxpayer funding for abortion in cases of rape, nor is it expected that it would do so," Lipinski said in the statement. "Nonetheless, the legislative process will provide an opportunity to clarify this should such a need exist."

Lipinski is a chair of the House Pro-Life Caucus, and one of the Democratic party's most ardent opponents of abortion. H.R. 3 is a Republican-led effort to turn things like the Hyde Amendment -- which is passed every year as part of the budget process -- into permanent law. The bill would also make it harder for women to obtain abortion coverage from their private insurance companies by eliminating tax exemptions for employers or individuals who purchase health insurance plans that offer coverage for abortion. The rape clause in the bill would deny abortion coverage to victims of some types of legal rape in which the sexual assault is not accompanied by violence.

Under current federal law, woman who obtain their insurance through Medicare, Medicaid, the military, the Peace Corps or the Indian Health Services cannot use their insurance for abortions except in cases of rape or incest or if there is a risk to the life or health of the mother. According to the Center For Reproductive Rights, 7.4 million women of child-bearing age are covered by Medicaid; in 2006, Medicaid covered a total of 85 abortions for women who were raped, the victims of incest or who risked their health or life by continuing their pregnancies.

Yesterday, Lipinski's office told TPM their policy was not to comment on the controversial law. Late last night, a member of Lipinski's staff sent over this statement from the Congressman:

The No Taxpayer Funding for Abortion Act, H.R. 3, will eliminate the need for numerous separate annual abortion-funding prohibitions (called riders) and ensure that no program or agency is exempt from the long-standing ban on taxpayer funding of abortion. The bill also codifies the conscience clause known as Hyde-Weldon. H.R. 3 maintains the status quo prohibition on taxpayer funding for abortion that has long been embodied in the Hyde Amendment. The Hyde Amendment allows for taxpayer funding of abortion in very limited cases, including if the pregnancy is the result of rape. The language of H.R. 3 was not intended to change existing law regarding taxpayer funding for abortion in cases of rape, nor is it expected that it would do so. Nonetheless, the legislative process will provide an opportunity to clarify this should such a need exist.

tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/01/dem-rep-opens-up-on-rape-redefining-bill.php?ref=fpa

[marjar]

The GOP is becoming more and more against women.

[Deleted]

You people are talking about using our tax dollars to kill unborn babies. When tax dollars are involved, I see no reason there should not also be some form of proof, as in a police report, to show that there WAS actually a rape. Surely you people are not encouraging women to NOT REPORT rapes, are you?? Think............ If someone wants to use their own money they can abort away, but when the money of all Americans becomes invloved, and many Americans do not like abortion on varying levels, what is the problem with something stating that a woman has been raped? Planned Parenthood will become a tax payer funded abortion mill with people just walking in, saying they were raped, and getting free abortions. That is aside from the fact that planned parenthood covers up legal rape by twisting the facts around and not reporting-- as in the child rape and incest cases they have aborted without reporting. No one siad one word about putting a woman that was RAPED in front of a "commitee", just a plain police report would do as proof, and I'm sure everyone wants rapists reported, correct?
You people say there is no tax payer funded abortions in the healthcare bill. Republicans say there are loopholes abortion activists can use to slip through the cracks. Well-- it is time to start exposing the loopholes, and this is one of them.

[chiver78]

Jan 29, 2011 23:00:47 GMT -5 @krickitt said:

Would I want a woman to report a RAPE??? Well, hell yes!!! Did I read you wrong, or what?

hey, I'm just responding to what you posted. if you meant something else, please clarify. it sounded to me that you were concerned that rape reports were going to become more frequent.

[steff]

Again, there are many reasons why rapes are not reported, especially when talking about minors in abusive situations.... fear, threats, shame, feeling like no one will believe them, not knowing who it is safe to talk to....

[Deleted]

We may have misunderstood one another, chivers. I am saying that women will just come in saying they were raped and get a tax payer funded abortion-- whether or not they were raped.
PP will support that, and not report-- they have been busted for that recently. They just want to get their abortions done, no matter how they do it. Huge loophole to fund tax payer funded abortions with no oversight.

[Deleted]

Getting a free abortion is not going to solve the MANY issues, both legal and emotional, that should be dealt with in the case of a scared kid or adult getting an abortion after an unreported rape. Abortion mills do not solve those issues. Therapy for the victims and legal remedies for rapists does. Shoving it under the rug does not.

[Thinking-long-term]

Just fired off E-mails to My Senator and Congressman. The language in the bill is crap.

[mudflap81]

Rape is Rape, it can't be broken down into "this rape is worse than that rape"....

Unless you're roman polanski, in which case you can get Whoopi Goldberg to say it "wasn't really rape rape. "

[chiver78]

Jan 30, 2011 16:54:31 GMT -5 @krickitt said:

Getting a free abortion is not going to solve the MANY issues, both legal and emotional, that should be dealt with in the case of a scared kid or adult getting an abortion after an unreported rape. Abortion mills do not solve those issues. Therapy for the victims and legal remedies for rapists does. Shoving it under the rug does not.

from this post, I'd agree that we definitely misunderstood each other. I wholeheartedly agree with what you say here in regards to rape victims and therapy. that said, what I'd guess (from your other posts) that you would call an abortion mill would be any clinic offering legal abortions. we are going to have to agree to disagree on that one.