What Ever Happened To.........

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

You know it mmhmm! Can't believe I forgot to send you some pics of the new one! Expect a pm in the next couple days, gettin a little album together here.

Feb 18, 2013 17:08:08 GMT -5 damnotagain said:

Aham

The gold question was in reply to why Germany wants its gold in its banks. 

With the fed buying 3 trillion of securities that pay them interest and you do not have to pay any interest on the money used to buy those securities. .. Could they be making a lot of money ?

Last years on the books PROFIT for the fed was @ 90 billion. That's with fresh money too.

D,

Germany wants their gold back because they pay the FRB of the USA to store their gold.

They want to become the main player at the top of the new EU and since Germany has the second largest gold reserves in the world, they are going to whatever they can to make the Bundesbank the main CB in the ECB.

The FED turns all PROFIT over to the UST, aside from operational costs, that is the end of story. So again, those three trillion dollars will make it to the UST, paid with interest.

You starting to see why our enemies make up so much conspiracy propaganda about the FRB and the "jews" yet?

[mmhmm]

I'll be looking forward to the pictures, aham! 

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

I think you will love them

I'm going to try and get it together this afternoon/tonigh. Have a great day mmhmm.

[frankq]

Whatever happenned to........Gold Plunging??

It's beginning to look a lot like a plunge these days......Down 40 bucks today! $1563........

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Is the gold rally over?
www.cbsnews.com/8301-505123_162-57569887/is-the-gold-rally-over/

Over the very long term, gold has provided virtually no real return, basically maintaining its purchasing power. And if gold was a good inflation hedge, we would expect to see a high correlation between the two. Yet since 1968 gold and inflation have been virtually uncorrelated. Through 2012, the annual correlation was just 0.08.

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Whatever happened to QE forever?(After thinking about it for a while, I'm pretty sure that's what clickty clack is) Is it the healing economy? 

Fed to consider QE changes in March: minutes
www.marketwatch.com/story/fed-to-consider-qe-changes-in-march-minutes-2013-02-20-13915947

[frankq]

Well, here we go again. I guess I'm not allowed to point out any OBVIOUS INACCURACIES in certain posters posts. It appears that the quote and source rule we had long ago is out the window. Whatever happened to the rule about posting accurate quotes and footnoting. Oh yeah, that only applies to some of us. Just so you know Decoy, you're not kidding anyone. You are a bullshit artist and we know it. It was my pleasure taking you to school...

[frankq]

So, does Decoy get to day whatever he wants, even though it's basically a lie? Just wondering...Is he dating someone on the staff? I called him out on what he posted, which was total bullshit, and once again I get punished. I wasn't calling him names. You guys really make it hard to stay engaged out here. Total bullshit.

[frankq]

Is anybody reading Decoy's thread? He's posting pretty ballsy about "calls" about low gold and trying to pick a fight over there. But, it's my guess that he knows that he's safe because he also knows that I can't respond yet again....wonder how he knows that......So he can antagonize all he wants? Who's bitching now? What did I say that was so fucking bad??

[frankq]

Below is from Decoy's post...

excerpt - Why is this so significant? As anyone with a simple calculator can discover, the Treasury department has just inadvertently admitted that rather than the official 8,133.5 tons the Treasury reports as the US’ official gold reserves, the Treasury’s actual physical gold stores at the NY Fed are a measly 466.57 tons! No wonder it will take the Bundesbank 7 years to repatriate 300 tons!

You are taking a lot of stuff out of context here Decoy. This is not a direct quote. The article states that the Treasury also stores gold in other locations including Fort Knox. Next time you want to "quote" something.....use the ACTUAL quote as follows.

"Why is this so significant? As anyone with a simple calculator can discover, the Treasury department has just inadvertently admitted that rather than the official 8,133.5 tons the Treasury reports as the US’ official gold reserves, the Treasury’s actual physical gold stores at the NY Fed are a measly 466.57 tons! While the Treasury does reportedly also hold gold at Fort Knox, several reports have claimed that up to half of the US Gold is held at the NY Fed!
No wonder it will take the Bundesbank 7 years to repatriate 300 tons!"

That is the ACTUAL quote. Not an "excerpt". Several reports you say? I notice the Silverdocs weren't very specific. What reports? Seems that would be some important info to have....Well, this report that you "excerpt" comes from the official audit. This statement : Feb. 18, 2013 - Treasury Releases Results of NY Fed Gold Audit, Inadvertantly Reveals US Gold Stores Are Only 466 Tons! is untrue. Next time read the report your source is quoting....

In addition, the audit quoted above is from 2010/2011. Here is a piece from said audit courtesy of the U.S. Dept of the Treasury website. Take note of how many places are listed as gold depositories. Also note the audited amounts in each facility. The "source" the poster quotes states that the "vast" majority of gold is stoted by the Fed. That doesn't seem to be the case. Also, take note of the total 4 lines from the bottom. Looks like somebody's got some 'splainin to do.........


The Mint’s Custodial Deep Storage Gold Reserves

The Mint maintains its custodial deep storage gold reserves at the United States

Bullion Depository, Fort Knox, KY; the United States Mint, West Point, NY; and the

United States Mint, Denver, CO. The Department’s deep storage gold reserves are

stored at these three locations, in 42 compartments. In all, these compartments

hold 699,515 gold bars with fineness

1, or purity, ranging from 0.4701 to 0.9999

with an average fineness of 0.9006. Fort Knox houses 60 percent of the fine troy

ounces of the deep storage gold reserves, Denver 18 percent, and West Point 22

percent. As of September 30, 2010, the audited quantity of custodial deep storage

gold reserves held by the Mint was 245,262,897

fine troy ounces, over 9,300

tons, with a market value of $320.6 billion.

2 Each gold bar weighs about 27

pounds and has an average value of about $500 thousand.

[frankq]

Just thought I'd move this over here in case anybody wanted to continue the discussion since it can't happen in the original thread...

According to the Treasury website, the official audit which some people out here, as well as a certain metals site have referenced, seems to indicate that thgere is actually more gold than previously thought in reserve. Kinda flies in the face of what metals salesmen tell you......

So what says you Decoy, in English, about this glaring discrepancy in your reporting.....

[mmhmm]

Feb 21, 2013 16:55:55 GMT -5 frankq said:

So, does Decoy get to day whatever he wants, even though it's basically a lie? Just wondering...Is he dating someone on the staff? I called him out on what he posted, which was total bullshit, and once again I get punished. I wasn't calling him names. You guys really make it hard to stay engaged out here. Total bullshit.

How are you being punished, frank?  Can you define what you mean for me?  I don't always read in Market Talk, but I'll try to help if I can.

[frankq]

Once again, I point out obvious inaccuracies in a post he makes, then my posts are deleted and I'm banned from the thread. My issue is, we should be allowed to rebutt information that is incorrect and /or misleading in any post. Decoy has fucking diplomatic immunity to say whatever the hell he wants and then taunt us knowing we won't be able to respond. If you look at the post concerning the "lack" of gold he "quoted" you'll see that I simply said that he took the "info" out of context and omitted information to portray an untrue situation. Now the above post has been struck from his thread and I've been banned from responding to anything he says. Another invocation of the Moon Rule, where she decides it's hands off the Prima Donna. Show me in that post where I called him names or was over the top in any way...

[mmhmm]

Feb 21, 2013 18:01:07 GMT -5 frankq said:

Once again, I point out obvious inaccuracies in a post he makes, then my posts are deleted and I'm banned from the thread. My issue is, we should be allowed to rebutt information that is incorrect and /or misleading in any post. Decoy has fucking diplomatic immunity to say whatever the hell he wants and then taunt us knowing we won't be able to respond. If you look at the post concerning the "lack" of gold he "quoted" you'll see that I simply said that he took the "info" out of context and omitted information to portray an untrue situation. Now the above post has been struck from his thread and I've been banned from responding to anything he says. Another invocation of the Moon Rule, where she decides it's hands off the Prima Donna. Show me in that post where I called him names or was over the top in any way...

No, Decoy does not have any sort of immunity to say what he wants, frank.  I'll take a look at the thread.  I do know there have been insults thrown back and forth.  I can't say you were one doing the insulting in this latest round, but some were.  If I'm not mistaken, Decoy is locked out of the thread(s) you frequent, as well.  I didn't delete your post, so I can't tell you any more until I have a chance to take a look.  Give me a bit of time on this, please, as I need to get my mother dined, fluffed and puffed.

[frankq]

Don't worry mmhmm. It's not going to change anything. But I disagree, he definitely enjoys carte blanche out here. I'll just do it this way until Moon bans me again. It is what it is, I thought a little time away would allow here to mellow, but I was obviously mistaken. I appreciate the thought, but don't waste your time. Thanks.

[mmhmm]

Feb 21, 2013 18:12:35 GMT -5 frankq said:

Don't worry mmhmm. It's not going to change anything. But I disagree, he definitely enjoys carte blanche out here. I'll just do it this way until Moon bans me again. It is what it is, I thought a little time away would allow here to mellow, but I was obviously mistaken. I appreciate the thought, but don't waste your time. Thanks.

No problem, frank, and I fully intend to look into it.  All of you have something to offer and that's a good thing that should be encouraged.  What should not be encouraged is all the bickering, name-calling, and carrying of old grudges.  I would hope we could find some sort of compromise that will work for everyone.  It's in my nature to try, anyhow, so I will. 

[sunrnr]

Feb 21, 2013 17:30:38 GMT -5 frankq said:

Just thought I'd move this over here in case anybody wanted to continue the discussion since it can't happen in the original thread...

According to the Treasury website, the official audit which some people out here, as well as a certain metals site have referenced, seems to indicate that thgere is actually more gold than previously thought in reserve. Kinda flies in the face of what metals salesmen tell you......

So what says you Decoy, in English, about this glaring discrepancy in your reporting.....

Q,

You're expecting rational responses from a totally irrational poster.There can never be a civil dialog with Decoy about anything, so quit trying.
I notice I've been locked out of posting on his threads, so his immunity is now complete. He can say and do anything he pleases without any possibility of someone with an opposing viewpoint posting a factual rebuttal or challenge.

Let's just move on, eh? 

[frankq]

Yeah, same thing with aham too. Sounds like good advice sunrnr.

[mmhmm]

No, he cannot say or do anything he pleases, sunrnr.  Neither, for that matter, can anyone else.

Guys, I'm going to try something here.  It may work, and it may not work.  I figure it's worth a try.

Market Talk is a great forum, in my opinion.  It's got so much to offer for both new investors and old hands.  Many of you are very knowledgeable and have much to share.  I'd really like to see that continue; however, there are some problems.  A good number of you seem to have forgotten how to disagree civilly.  It is possible.  It's done all the time.  It can be done here in Market Talk.

Consider, please, the following two statements:

"Tom, you're an idiot!  Everything you say is nothing more than hot air!  You don't know anything about anything, you bloody fool!"

"Tom, I've read what you have to say about this issue and I find I just can't agree with you.  We see this very differently.  I'd like to present my point of view, which will explain why I find your stance to be unsupportable."

Now, you can wail to the heavens about resenting the need to be "politically correct".  We've heard it all before.  It's really just simple courtesy and respect of the right of everyone to hold an opinion even if it differs from that which you (generic you) hold.  In this venue, it's the only way to keep the boards from degenerating into no more than a verbal fist-fight.  That may be great fun for some, but it's not fun for those not involved, and it's not fun for those who have to moderate it.  ProBoards won't tolerate a war zone here, and we're not going to have one.

You've all been around for awhile and I think you really want to be able to exchange views here.  It can be done, but it's going to take some compromise.  Let's see if we can maintain some decorum here in Market Talk and bring it back to what it should be - a place to share and grow in our knowledge.  Threads on metals can talk about metals, while threads on stocks can talk about stocks.  There's no need to drag a fight from one thread to another because a stock investor doesn't think metals are the be-all-end-all, or vice versa.  That doesn't really help anyone.

That's all from me.  Give it some thought, if you will.

[moon/Laura]

Feb 21, 2013 18:01:07 GMT -5 frankq said:

Once again, I point out obvious inaccuracies in a post he makes, then my posts are deleted and I'm banned from the thread. My issue is, we should be allowed to rebutt information that is incorrect and /or misleading in any post. Decoy has fucking diplomatic immunity to say whatever the hell he wants and then taunt us knowing we won't be able to respond. If you look at the post concerning the "lack" of gold he "quoted" you'll see that I simply said that he took the "info" out of context and omitted information to portray an untrue situation. Now the above post has been struck from his thread and I've been banned from responding to anything he says. Another invocation of the Moon Rule, where she decides it's hands off the Prima Donna. Show me in that post where I called him names or was over the top in any way...

what post(s) are you saying have been deleted? I personally haven't deleted anything of yours recently.

and you know, if 99% of you - decoy included- didn't insist on acting like effing juveniles, i wouldn't HAVE to lock you out of each others' threads! but no one can keep it to 'just the facts'. you gotta make it personal. sooooo, you get what you've earned, i'm afraid.

[mmhmm]

Feb 21, 2013 21:38:26 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

Feb 21, 2013 18:01:07 GMT -5 frankq said:

Once again, I point out obvious inaccuracies in a post he makes, then my posts are deleted and I'm banned from the thread. My issue is, we should be allowed to rebutt information that is incorrect and /or misleading in any post. Decoy has fucking diplomatic immunity to say whatever the hell he wants and then taunt us knowing we won't be able to respond. If you look at the post concerning the "lack" of gold he "quoted" you'll see that I simply said that he took the "info" out of context and omitted information to portray an untrue situation. Now the above post has been struck from his thread and I've been banned from responding to anything he says. Another invocation of the Moon Rule, where she decides it's hands off the Prima Donna. Show me in that post where I called him names or was over the top in any way...

what post(s) are you saying have been deleted? I personally haven't deleted anything of yours recently.

and you know, if 99% of you - decoy included- didn't insist on acting like effing juveniles, i wouldn't HAVE to lock you out of each others' threads! but no one can keep it to 'just the facts'. you gotta make it personal. sooooo, you get what you've earned, i'm afraid.

I haven't deleted any of your posts, either, frank ... for the record.

[sunrnr]

mmhmm, I appreciate your efforts and intent. However, I must respectfully disagree with your assessment of MT being a great forum with much to offer to new investors and old hands. It used to be, but it is not now. If you look at all the threads, the only one with real information and value is the day trader thread. All others are no longer being posted to with the exception of those hijacked by a single poster or created as a diversion for entertainment.

All those with real expertise who used to post here have been perma banned, encouraged to leave or just plain gave up trying to impart useful information based on defensible information and fact.

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

I think that is exactly what mmhmm is saying my friend, but she thinks that it could come back, I think she is right. I think there has to be a way to possibly see the bat back here.  Lets face it, it's an internet board and there is nothing that he could have done to possibly warrant the guy being banned from here forever.  I believe that the management believes that if the bat came back, there would be nothing but fighting around here. I think they are right.

 I think it's 2013.  I know it's not 2009, 10, 11, or even the end of the world 12.  WE ALL know there is no martial law, FEMA camps, Nubru, solar flares that scorched the earth, or alien invasion. Most importantly, the market didn't crash in any of the years listed here, there was NO hyperinflation, gold didn't hit 2500, 5000 or more, and some of us have enjoyed gains and dividends. 

We have nothing to be sour about, what we have to do is be the GENTLEMEN that we can be, appreceate the fact that moon started this place for us all have and debate like the bright MEN that we are.

Then we let let the people decide we is speaking in tongues and maybe after a year we can find a way to get that darn bat back around here. 

Here, I'll start.   

Ham should enjoy this as he likes scientists and this one is from Canada.

Funny that when we say 'Drill Baby,Drill' that the noteworthy was not brought into play. We looked at it with dutchsinse as to the fracking and quake activity along with many problems from. Yet the biggest is when you SEE things like puppets stating the debt credits will be around forever due to manufacturing moving back to the US and,

drill baby,drill

I did enjoy that study actually Decoy, it made me laugh as it was sponsored by a think tank that really promotes renewable energy.  It made me think.. what ever happened to...... peak oil?  I know it's a finite resource, but man were they WRONG about how much oil there really is, just look at the bakken. Look at the tar sands, look at northern Canada.  That article does also say that the natural gas wells would require further technology to get out, so don't worry, there is plenty of oil and natural gas in North America that they didn't' know about when they were talking about "peak oil". 

[mmhmm]

Feb 21, 2013 21:57:19 GMT -5 sunrnr said:

mmhmm, I appreciate your efforts and intent. However, I must respectfully disagree with your assessment of MT being a great forum with much to offer to new investors and old hands. It used to be, but it is not now. If you look at all the threads, the only one with real information and value is the day trader thread. All others are no longer being posted to with the exception of those hijacked by a single poster or created as a diversion for entertainment.

All those with real expertise who used to post here have been perma banned, encouraged to leave or just plain gave up trying to impart useful information based on defensible information and fact.

Sunrnr, MT can be anything YOU GUYS want to make it ... except a free-for-all.  If you're not posting your expertise, and your knowledge, that's your decision.  It denies others who might learn from you that opportunity.  I don't know who you're talking about having been perma-banned.  There was one I can think of, but that was NOT OUR DOING.  We're not asking you to post like a bunch of pansies, but we are asking you all to maintain some civility in your postings, and that means ALL of you.  If you don't agree with someone, say so!  It's not necessary to demean, or name-call, or act the fool.  Disagree and state your valid reason.  Believe me, it's going to be me in here most of the time grabbin' you lil' horse thieves by the back o' yer necks, and I don't care to break my nails!  I'm not hard to get along with, but I do have expectations of adult posters.

Frankly, I think we can do this together.  We'll all have to be on board with it, and we're going to have a learning curve.  Still, I believe it can be done or I wouldn't bother.  All I ask is that you join me in trying to get things back on pace here.  If there are posters who simply can't get it through their heads that they're going to have to be a part of things and not the star, those posters might just have to pack their bags.  If we can work as a team to make Market Talk shine, Market Talk will, indeed, shine.  I'm willing to work with you.

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

I'll help ya mmhmm, you're a good egg. 

How about what even happened to... this was all just one big plot against us by our governments?  Since the housing market has started to heal the Libor scandal has broke resulting in fines, the drumbeat to break up the banks has grown louder, S&P expects U.S. lawsuit over pre-crisis credit ratings, and now, there is the U.S. DOJ Probing JPMorgan over Bear Stearns mortgage products.  I guess maybe there is a little more to this then our govt is out the get us/enslave us eh?  You know, since the US Treasury sells last of Citigroup holdings.

 I guess there is a reason that some people are asking, Is now the safest time in history? 

[mmhmm]

Yes, wxyz, I do know a bit about the history.  I know there have been problems and I know they've been very difficult for some.  I'm one who believes, however, that things can be made better if everyone is willing to make the effort.  Those who aren't willing to make the effort must be dealt with in a reasonable, but firm manner.  That's not fantasy, wxyz.  That's what can work if you're willing to let it work.

One thing that will no longer be happening is outright griping on the open message board.  Such posts are going to be removed.  If you've got something you feel needs to be said, you may use the Moderators Only function, or PMs.  Not everybody wants in on the action when it comes to complaints and battles.  Some would like to read and learn instead.  It's for that reason that I will delete your Reply #424.  If you'd like to continue that discussion, take it to Moderators Only, or to PMs, as I suggested.

Pointing the finger of blame has never accomplished anything, wxyz.

mmhmm, Administrator

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Good Luck, mmhmm. I hope you can turn MT around, but IMHO, just let MT be the Decoy forum like Dotdd has her forum. There are other investing forums on NMSM for other to post on.

[mmhmm]

Feb 22, 2013 10:26:37 GMT -5 ArchietheDragon said:

Good Luck, mmhmm. I hope you can turn MT around, but IMHO, just let MT be the Decoy forum like Dotdd has her forum. There are other investing forums on NMSM for other to post on.

Thanks, Archie.  I believe MT can be saved, but the posters have to want it.   Whatever happens, it's NOT going to be the Decoy forum.  We don't need that.  He'll learn, or he'll burn rubber on his way out of here!!

[mmhmm]

As you wish, wxyz.  If you'd rather walk away than make the effort, that's up to you.

[moon/Laura]

Feb 21, 2013 22:37:46 GMT -5 Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger said:

I think there has to be a way to possibly see the bat back here.

That cannot happen and all of you know that. it was NOT MY DECISION for him to be gone in the first place. I was not the one who banned him - Proboards itself did. And I was told in no uncertain terms that to let him back in would case this forum to be shut down. I am just as unhappy about it as all of you but that's how it is.