Islamification is the Goal of Extremists

[Reckless Roselia]

Sept 11, 2012 1:24:57 GMT -5 Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger said:

Exactly. This also goes to show that there truly is two kinds of Islam.

I don't get this, Aham. Are you trying to say that there are two kinds of Islam? What are the two kinds? Good and bad?

As we remember the innocence lost 11 years ago today, I would extend to the victims and their family's my respect and prayers.

As I read your post above about the deaths of the innocent Islamic Priest in Mali , it was almost impossible not to notice the moderate group with whom they are a part, dawa.

Yes, my condolences too Jarhead but if we total how many innocent Muslims have died due to the action of the few terrorists then the death toll is incomparable.

For your 411, here is what Dawah actually is. You'll understand Wiki text.

Da‘wah or Dawah (Arabic: دعوة‎) usually denotes the preaching of Islam. Da‘wah literally means "issuing a summons" or "making an invitation", being the active participle of a verb meaning variously "to summon" or "to invite" (whose triconsonantal root is د ع ى). A Muslim who practices da‘wah, either as a religious worker or in a volunteer community effort, is called a dā‘ī, plural du‘āt. A dā‘ī is thus a person who invites people to understand Islam through a dialogical process, and may be categorized in some cases as the Islamic equivalent of a missionary, as one who invites people to the faith, to the prayer, or to Islamic life.[1] Da'wah activities can take many forms. Some pursue Islamic studies specifically to perform Da'wah. Mosques and other Islamic centers sometimes spread Da'wah actively, similar to evangelical churches. Others consider being open to the public and answering questions to be Da'wah. Recalling Muslims to the faith and expanding their knowledge can also be considered Da'wah.

[jarhead1976]

I prefer the the 205 page Academic Dissertation From the Universaty of Helsinki a much better reference than wiki. Dawa

The multiple nature of Islamic da'wa
ethesis.helsinki.fi/julkaisut/hum/aasia/vk/racius/themulti.pdf

As we remember the moderate Islamist this Sept 11, 2012
More to the world than wiki.

If your going to quote me use the whole quote or post. Thank you.

[jarhead1976]

I would worry about your own 411 rose . The timing of your post about the deaths of Muslim ( dai ) priest seems almost coincidental as we look back , as Amercans , this Sept 11, 2012.

[jarhead1976]

Sept 11, 2012 10:00:25 GMT -5 Reckless Roselia said:

Sept 11, 2012 1:24:57 GMT -5 Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger said:

Exactly. This also goes to show that there truly is two kinds of Islam.

I don't get this, Aham. Are you trying to say that there are two kinds of Islam? What are the two kinds? Good and bad?

As we remember the innocence lost 11 years ago today, I would extend to the victims and their family's my respect and prayers.

As I read your post above about the deaths of the innocent Islamic Priest in Mali , it was almost impossible not to notice the moderate group with whom they are a part, dawa.

Yes, my condolences too Jarhead but if we total how many innocent Muslims have died due to the action of the few terrorists then the death toll is incomparable.

For your 411, here is what Dawah actually is. You'll understand Wiki text.

Da‘wah or Dawah (Arabic: دعوة‎) usually denotes the preaching of Islam. Da‘wah literally means "issuing a summons" or "making an invitation", being the active participle of a verb meaning variously "to summon" or "to invite" (whose triconsonantal root is د ع ى). A Muslim who practices da‘wah, either as a religious worker or in a volunteer community effort, is called a dā‘ī, plural du‘āt. A dā‘ī is thus a person who invites people to understand Islam through a dialogical process, and may be categorized in some cases as the Islamic equivalent of a missionary, as one who invites people to the faith, to the prayer, or to Islamic life.[1] Da'wah activities can take many forms. Some pursue Islamic studies specifically to perform Da'wah. Mosques and other Islamic centers sometimes spread Da'wah actively, similar to evangelical churches. Others consider being open to the public and answering questions to be Da'wah. Recalling Muslims to the faith and expanding their knowledge can also be considered Da'wah.

If you'll take the time to read and comprehend your own information that you provided in wiki .... lol , you'll find your answer to the question you asked Aham.

You should understand wiki! Lol

[jarhead1976]

Bump ;D

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Sept 11, 2012 6:43:01 GMT -5 @jarhead1976 said:

As we remember the innocence lost 11 years ago today, I would extend to the victims and their family's my respect and prayers.

And thank you for you're service Jar!

I got to shake the hand of a Canadian soldier today too when I was out and about. Just wanted to get this in here today.

Don't know if I will get back to posting on this thread til later tonight, not ignoring you Roselia..

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

I don't get this, Aham. Are you trying to say that there are two kinds of Islam? What are the two kinds? Good and bad?

I would say there are those that are stuck in the past and those that are more understanding on what they are going to have to do to make it in the 21st century. However, I think that as Jar pointed out, there is an underlying theme in both camps, that is Islam is the way.

The point about our ultra liberal outlook on things was confirmed for me last night because of a story in my personal life. A couple we know has their son in a public school in a good part of town. The school is 65% "minorities". The main religion in this public school is Sikhism. They are now allowed to bring their kirpan to elementary schools because it's part of their religion!! So we aren't allowed to celebrate Christmas in our public schools because of Religion, yet some can bring knives because of theirs? Why? Because multiculturalism has got to the point where we let others push us and not offend them as far as I can tell.

Look at this article...

Iran vs. Canada: Whose side are you on?
www.torontosun.com/2012/09/11/iran-vs-canada-whose-side-are-you-on

For the last 30 years I have stood shoulder-to-shoulder with the victims of the bloodthirsty Ayatollahs who run and rule the Islamic Republic of Iran.

A close friend is a Torontonian who has never met his youngest sister, born after he fled Iran through Pakistan’s Balochistan mountains, then to India, only to find refuge in Canada.

Another colleague, who today works for the Canadian Labour Congress, fled on foot over the Kurdish mountains, ducking bullets from pursuing hit squads of the Islamic regime known as Pasadran, or the “Army of the Guardians of the Islamic Revolution.”

A Tehran broadcaster tells me harrowing tales of how she escaped with two young boys to end up in Turkey.

At least one friend I know was so brutalized in the Islamic prisons of Iran, he committed suicide in Pakistan.

More than three million Iranians fled the rise of Islamism in their country. From Royalists to Marxists, trade unionists to artists, old and young — the regime shed them like an ogre spitting out seeds while devouring a juicy watermelon.

So when Ottawa decided to expel the representatives of the Ayatollahs from Canada, I thought most Iranian-Canadians would burst out in joy and celebrate the ultimate insult to their enemy.

I was wrong.

Some did rejoice, like the brave Homa Arjomand who led the fight against Sharia Law in Canada, but too many prominent Iranian-Canadians criticized Canada for taking on Iran as a state sponsor of terrorism...............

.........................It seems 30 years of Iranian brutality has paralleled 30 years of Canadian multiculturalism. A policy that asks newcomers to resist assimilating into Canada while encouraging them to cling to their “tribe.”

Many of my friends were unwilling to sacrifice a vacation or Tehran’s famous baklava to stand in solidarity with Canada..................

.......................Another, an Iranian activist who could face a public hanging in Iran for his sexual orientation, mocked Canada: “I am immensely proud of my Iranian heritage, always will be.”

I asked him “if your primary identity is Iranian, why did you beg to come to Canada? You should have stayed back.” He did not respond.

At a time when other Canadians have given their lives fighting the scourge of Islamist jihadism, is it too much to ask for Muslim Canadians to be with Canada, not where they were born?

So there is the dawa...

ISLAM'S OFF AIR
www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/271808/Islam-s-off-air/

A REPEAT screening of a documentary on Islam has been cancelled after internet threats.

Historian Tom Holland’s Islam: The Untold Story sparked more than 1,000 complaints when it was broadcast.

Channel 4 said: “Having taken security advice, we have reluctantly cancelled a planned screening.”

And the Jihad

Protesters attack U.S. diplomatic compounds in Egypt, Libya
www.cnn.com/2012/09/11/world/meast/egpyt-us-embassy-protests/index.html

The only problem with all of it, the Islamic have no money without us and the Middle East will slowly collapse in on itself this time around. There will be no second Islamic golden age unless these guys start doing what it talks about in the Quran and follow the messiah and understand that's what their profit was talking about.

[Reckless Roselia]

I would worry about your own 411 rose . The timing of your post about the deaths of Muslim ( dai ) priest seems almost coincidental as we look back , as Amercans , this Sept 11, 2012.

Oh no, that's like saying (to me) that e⁰ = 1 and if so then you're right. Jokes apart, I see no connection at all to my timing of my posts with the content of what I post. Should I have commented and replied come Christmastime?

I would say there are those that are stuck in the past and those that are more understanding on what they are going to have to do to make it in the 21st century.

Okay, I see your point and fair enough. You'll get 'assorted' believers I guess.

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Okay, I see your point and fair enough. You'll get 'assorted' believers I guess.

No, I mean there is a chance the Middle East is going to collapse in on itself and you're going to see what's going on in Mali happen in wide swaths across the Middle East. Obama has just asked Egypt to take a side, Egypt and Turkey have told Iran they have to choose on Syria. Azerbaijan has Israeli planes and tanks in their bases pointed at Iran. Turkey wants IN the EU badly, and the Saudis want all that international money to keep flowing.

But ontop of that you have China's interest in the region to consider as well. The Islamic extremists have been causing problems for them on their own boarder, and in Africa. I say in Africa because China is investing heavily in the future of that county.

So what do you think is going to happen if these extremest contiune to escalate across the region, as they seem to be doing?(There were more Embassy attacks today).

Keep in mind the Muslims that want to move forward are the ones that want money and have access to armies and are working with Israel. Oh and have the backing of the Chinese really when it comes right down to it.

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Should this be titled, How the Middle East an Islam Created Fell in on Itself?

European Parliament Identifies Wahabi and Salafi Roots of Global Terrorism

It looks like others agree with my assessment in the post above this one. Good Sabbath.

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

A middle east analysts from the middle east asks, Will the new Middle East integrate or collapse?. Which is what the last two posts on this thread are about.

I say if Muslims accept that JC is the true profit, they integrate. Why? The fact that both the left and the right are seeing the same thing, some examples can be found in the following articles:

-Blaming the Crusades for Jihad
-Islam's Jihad against the West is centuries old
-Political Islam, Christian Fundamentalism, Marxism and the Left Today

For anyone that still thinks Islam has longevity, a quote and an article...

“As a school teacher and a mother I found such reports particularly upsetting and troublesome. How can we ever expect to find guidance, if our Imams cannot discern right from wrong anymore?” she exclaimed in anger....

...... ITV noted that out of the 56 mosques it contacted, asking whether or not the Imam would agree to perform a marriage ceremony for a 14-year school girl, an astonishing one third replied that “it would not be a problem.”

Out of the 56 Imams contacted, 18 deemed the bride-to-be old enough for her marriage to be lawful and valid before God, something many Muslims have found not only revolting but morally and religiously wrong.

Muslims Child Marriage Controversy Hits UK

[Deleted]

 Rewarming the "child bride" chestnut again?

iWhat State Has the Youngest Age to Be Married?
Answer
New Hampshire has the youngest age to be married in the United States. With parental consent, a 13-year-old female teenager, and a 14-year-old male teenager can legally be married. Without parental consent, the legal marrying age in New Hampshire is 18.

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Nov 3, 2013 0:58:31 GMT -5 @patiencetried said:

 Rewarming the "child bride" chestnut again?

Lol, nope not even close... More like.. Son of Hamas founder trashes Islam and predicts that it is destined to collapse within ten years

Did you even read the article I posted? It even mentioned how appalled some Muslims where when they learned just how many Imams were willing to perform the marriages. But not you eh patience?

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Time to revisit. Now that boko haram has abducted many young girls, and the country of Brunei has implemented a strict form of Sharia law, and extremest are all over Iraq and Syria.. Well as I pointed out above Mali was a pretext for what is to come, and China has stepped up anti terror operations. But hey it's only a tiny little fraction of Muslims that want it to be there way and only their way, right?

The world is going to be a much different place once the dust settles, that is for sure.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Is this actually a debate or a discussion?

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

It started as a debate, it's now a discussion on how bad it's going to get...

Opinion: Why ISIS in Iraq is a threat to Europe

With the rise of the terror group ISIS in Iraq, chaos in Europe's periphery is growing. In Libya, uncontrollable militias are holding the country hostage. In Syria, collapse would be a best-case scenario. At worst, it will remain the scene of a brutal civil war for years to come. And for some time, Yemen has occupied one of the top positions on the list of failed states.
Violence reaches Europe

More countries could follow: The tiny state of Lebanon has taken in one million Syrian refugees, putting social peace and stability at risk - as in Jordan. Hezbollah's involvement in Syria means Lebanon has been ensnared in Syria's civil war with some of the skirmishes taking place on Lebanese soil. Weapons from Libya have made it into the hands of terrorists from Algeria and other neighboring states, including Egypt, where the government believes repression is the best way to deal with a polarized society.

The fact that the violence doesn't stop at Europe's external borders was made clear most recently at the end of May, when one jihad fighter returning home from Syria carried out a deadly attack at the Jewish Museum in Brussels.
According to the German Office for the Protection of the Constitution, 320 Islamists from Germany alone have gone to Syria. And of the 100 who have so far returned, about a dozen have combat experience.

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

I think the good Rev has hit the nail on the head.

Molyneux: Islam: A religion of peace?

[damnotagain]

Isis very own propaganda film ! Warning don't watch if you can't handle the truth behind Islam . 1 hour 

It is here in the US and the the threat of Islam is real and growing. Using our very freedoms against us. Once again this is what is happening in Iraq and through out the Middle East. To all that support the US . 

Bestgore.com ISIS

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Damn, I can't handle those gore sites man, even the thought of them...

However, i'm guessing; the reports of dead bodies in Baghdad today, the fact that Canadian and American Muslims are traveling to Syria to fight with the mujahideen, the threats of executions in Trafalgar square, the threats of a black flag flying over Buckingham palace, the plan to spread from Spain to China, and the report below tell the same story?

Islamist plot to blow up Eiffel Tower, Louvre and nuclear power plant foiled, say French police

French police stumbled on terror plans after decrypting coded messages between Algerian butcher living in southern France and high-ranking members of al-Qaeda in the Maghreb

[damnotagain]

Can't keep our heads in the sand. Just because we don't see it doesn't mean it's not happening. Real time and right now . Somethings you never forget. 

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

I hear ya, reminds me of the movies that are set in the late 30's when they talk about how people were ignoring what was going on in Germany... It's safe to say it's not if- it's when- the $#'t hits the fan in Europe.

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Jul 10, 2014 0:03:40 GMT -5 Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger said:

.... reminds me of the movies that are set in the late 30's when they talk about how people were ignoring what was going on in Germany... It's safe to say it's not if- it's when- the $#'t hits the fan in Europe.

Violent Anti-Jewish Riots Rock Paris; Activist Says ‘French Jews Are in Serious Danger’

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Jul 10, 2014 0:03:40 GMT -5 Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger said:

.... reminds me of the movies that are set in the late 30's when they talk about how people were ignoring what was going on in Germany... It's safe to say it's not if- it's when- the $#'t hits the fan in Europe.

Guess I'm not the only one...

It's like 1938, says Israeli ambassador to Germany: Outbreaks of anti-Semitism on the rise across Europe

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Anti-imigration/ant-islamic far right parties elected to power across the EU, antisemitism on the rise....

Jul 10, 2014 0:03:40 GMT -5 Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger said:

.... reminds me of the movies that are set in the late 30's when they talk about how people were ignoring what was going on in Germany... It's safe to say it's not if- it's when- the $#'t hits the fan in Europe.

ISIS’s Black Flags Are Flying in Europe

“Death to the Jews” chanted the crowd waving the black flags of the Islamic State, or ISIS as it used to be known. They were looking for new supporters for their cause, the creation of a worldwide caliphate......

But these marchers were not in Syria or Iraq; they were in The Hague in The Netherlands.

[zibazinski]

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

I know zib, it sucks. I have been doing the best I can to try to warn ppl about the global conflict that is building.. But just like before WW1 and 2, we are too advanced for it to possibly happen..

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Again, the problem is far more widespread than some want to believe. Ignoring the severity of the problem because not all Muslims are extremists doesn't make you a good person. In fact, if there truly is all these "moderate" Muslims out there they better start standing up and fighting back because Islam is collapsing in on itself; and it will be the "moderates" fault that it happens.

The black flag of ISIS is flying in London

There is a phrase used of, and by, jihadists: ‘First the Saturday people, then the Sunday people.’ Well there’s a fine example of this on display at the moment in East London. Even the Guardian has picked up on it.

At the entrance to a council estate near Canary Wharf, amid the banners of the hilariously misnamed ‘Stop the War coalition’ (‘End the Siege on Gaza’) the Black flag of Jihad is flying. Yes, that’s right, at a major council estate in the East End of London the black flag of ISIS is flying. Here is an excerpt from what one might hope is the Guardian’s learning curve:

‘When the estate was approached last night, a group of about 20 Asian youths swore at Guardian journalists and told them to leave the area immediately. One youth threatened to smash a camera.

When a passerby tried to take a picture of the flag on a phone, one of the gang asked him if he was Jewish. The passerby replied: “Would it make a difference?” The youth said: “Yes, it fucking would.” Asked if the flag was an Isis flag, one local man said: “It is just the flag of Allah.” But another man asked: “So what if it is?”’

This isn’t the first such sighting. A couple of weeks ago I drew attention on Twitter to the fact that the black flag of jihad had been hoisted when young Muslims from the East End of London blocked the Blackwall Tunnel in a gesture of anti-Israel activity. There, among all the Palestinian flags, also flew the black flag of Jihad. The black flag has been on display elsewhere in Western Europe in recent weeks, notably at pro-ISIS and ‘pro-Palestine’ demonstrations in Holland.

When historians look back on Europe in this era, they will rub their eyes in disbelief. ISIS is carrying out actual genocide, ethnic and religious cleansing on the people of Syria and Iraq. Their exact ideological soul-mates in Hamas, Hezbollah and al-Qaeda are doing everything they can to set light to the same region. Right now the western states are finally talking of intervening in Iraq to stop ISIS wiping out the ancient Yazidi and Christians communities of Iraq. Yet we do nothing to stop the same murderous ideology thriving here.

[dothedd]

Aug 13, 2014 1:24:45 GMT -5 Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger said:

Again, the problem is far more widespread than some want to believe. Ignoring the severity of the problem because not all Muslims are extremists doesn't make you a good person. In fact, if there truly is all these "moderate" Muslims out there they better start standing up and fighting back because Islam is collapsing in on itself; and it will be the "moderates" fault that it happens.

The black flag of ISIS is flying in London

There is a phrase used of, and by, jihadists: ‘First the Saturday people, then the Sunday people.’ Well there’s a fine example of this on display at the moment in East London. Even the Guardian has picked up on it.

At the entrance to a council estate near Canary Wharf, amid the banners of the hilariously misnamed ‘Stop the War coalition’ (‘End the Siege on Gaza’) the Black flag of Jihad is flying. Yes, that’s right, at a major council estate in the East End of London the black flag of ISIS is flying. Here is an excerpt from what one might hope is the Guardian’s learning curve:

‘When the estate was approached last night, a group of about 20 Asian youths swore at Guardian journalists and told them to leave the area immediately. One youth threatened to smash a camera.

When a passerby tried to take a picture of the flag on a phone, one of the gang asked him if he was Jewish. The passerby replied: “Would it make a difference?” The youth said: “Yes, it fucking would.” Asked if the flag was an Isis flag, one local man said: “It is just the flag of Allah.” But another man asked: “So what if it is?”’

This isn’t the first such sighting. A couple of weeks ago I drew attention on Twitter to the fact that the black flag of jihad had been hoisted when young Muslims from the East End of London blocked the Blackwall Tunnel in a gesture of anti-Israel activity. There, among all the Palestinian flags, also flew the black flag of Jihad. The black flag has been on display elsewhere in Western Europe in recent weeks, notably at pro-ISIS and ‘pro-Palestine’ demonstrations in Holland.

When historians look back on Europe in this era, they will rub their eyes in disbelief. ISIS is carrying out actual genocide, ethnic and religious cleansing on the people of Syria and Iraq. Their exact ideological soul-mates in Hamas, Hezbollah and al-Qaeda are doing everything they can to set light to the same region. Right now the western states are finally talking of intervening in Iraq to stop ISIS wiping out the ancient Yazidi and Christians communities of Iraq. Yet we do nothing to stop the same murderous ideology thriving here.

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Crazy, isn't it, dot? That's only the half of it.

The dawn of a new era has begun': ISIS supporters hand out leaflets in London's Oxford Street encouraging people to move to newly proclaimed Islamic State

[dothedd]

Jul 30, 2014 23:38:08 GMT -5 Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger said:

Anti-imigration/ant-islamic far right parties elected to power across the EU, antisemitism on the rise....

Jul 10, 2014 0:03:40 GMT -5 Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger said:

.... reminds me of the movies that are set in the late 30's when they talk about how people were ignoring what was going on in Germany... It's safe to say it's not if- it's when- the $#'t hits the fan in Europe.

ISIS’s Black Flags Are Flying in Europe

“Death to the Jews” chanted the crowd waving the black flags of the Islamic State, or ISIS as it used to be known. They were looking for new supporters for their cause, the creation of a worldwide caliphate......

But these marchers were not in Syria or Iraq; they were in The Hague in The Netherlands.

SHOCKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!