Another 17 year old gunned down.....

[zibazinski]

You know what? You leave your feral child with old people because you can't handle him and don't want to be bothered with him and when he goes nuts, you are mad because he gets shot? That father should be apologizing for the harm he caused those people who had to shoot and go to jail because he brought up a lousy kid. Grandma probably was sick of the trauma and drama this child brought into the family. I, for one, thank her, for ridding society of another anti-social human being. Who knows how many lives and property she spared? I'm sorry for her because she went too far and now will pay for it but what kind of parent sticks that kind of child with an old woman?

[pepper112765]

May 22, 2012 9:06:58 GMT -5 @oldtex said:

"I'm not saying he was aggressive, but if he was, I don't understand how being aggressive but unarmed would justify her using deadly force

We are being manipulated again. The writer is suggesting that a 17 year old boy could pose no physical danger to 74 year old woman & that's just not true. I really miss the old days where newsmen didn't have an opinion about the stories & just told you the facts. They also didn't make the story better by slanting it. I guess that there's 2 main reasons for the change in news reporting. 1. They feel that they can get away with swaying people toward their agenda. 2. They feel that people are dumber than a box of rocks.

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Thank you for saying that. But with respect to your number 2, there are some dumber than a box of rocks in that they like their information spoonfed and are not savvy media consumers.

[floridayankee]

May 23, 2012 9:48:49 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

You know what? You leave your feral child with old people because you can't handle him......

The article states that "Hoffman had been attending an alternative high school in nearby Farmington and living with his maternal grandparents so he could complete his senior year while his divorced parents settled in Arizona, according to his father, Michael Hoffman of Scottsdale, Ariz.". There's nothing in the OP article that says the kid was living there because Mom and Dad couldn't handle him.

I, for one, thank her, for ridding society of another anti-social human being. Who knows how many lives and property she spared?

So it's ok to exterminate anybody that doesn't live up to your expectations?

[Tennesseer]

May 23, 2012 9:48:49 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

You know what? You leave your feral child with old people because you can't handle him and don't want to be bothered with him and when he goes nuts, you are mad because he gets shot? That father should be apologizing for the harm he caused those people who had to shoot and go to jail because he brought up a lousy kid. Grandma probably was sick of the trauma and drama this child brought into the family. I, for one, thank her, for ridding society of another anti-social human being. Who knows how many lives and property she spared? I'm sorry for her because she went too far and now will pay for it but what kind of parent sticks that kind of child with an old woman?

Tell us all the family secrets we don't know about this boy. You seem to have all the inside information the media is not telling us.

[henryclay]

Family secrets? It's hard to imagine anything "secret" about things like why the police were called on at least one prior occasion:

"I spoke to the officer who responded, [to the disturbance back in March], and he indicated this young man was totally out of control in the street," he said, reported MSNBC. "He was derogatory to his grandmother. He was yelling and shouting and almost got into it with the police."

[Mkitty is pro kitty]

Tell us all the family secrets we don't know about this boy. You seem to have all the inside information the media is not telling us.

If you sit upon a high-horse tall enough, I guess you can see everything.

[henryclay]

The Cryptoquote in last night's paper was decoded as: "A dwarf on the shoulders of a giant can always see farther than the giant."

[mmhmm]

LOL, henry! ;D

[Tennesseer]

May 23, 2012 11:12:53 GMT -5 henryclay said:

Family secrets? It's hard to imagine anything "secret" about things like why the police were called on at least one prior occasion:

"I spoke to the officer who responded, [to the disturbance back in March], and he indicated this young man was totally out of control in the street," he said, reported MSNBC. "He was derogatory to his grandmother. He was yelling and shouting and almost got into it with the police."

'Almost'.

[Tennesseer]

Michigan woman, 75, convicted of murdering teenage grandson

A 75-year-old Michigan woman was convicted of second-degree murder charges Tuesday for shooting her 17-year-old grandson to death last year.

Sandra Layne of West Bloomfield, northwest of Detroit, was held without bond pending a sentencing hearing April 18, NBC station WDIV of Detroit reported.

In addition to the murder charge, Layne was also convicted of possession of a firearm in the commission of a felony in the shooting. Oakland County Prosecutor Jessica Cooper told WDIV that Layne was likely to face 12 to 20 years in prison for the murder conviction, plus two years for the firearms violation.

Jurors were given the option of deciding whether Layne committed first-degree murder, but they chose the lesser charge.

The death of Layne's grandson, Jonathan Hoffman, on May 18, 2012, made national headlines after it was disclosed that he was shot in the chest multiple times as he was calling 911.

usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/03/19/17375952-michigan-woman-75-convicted-of-murdering-teenage-grandson?lite=

[mmhmm]

LOL!  There hasn't been an argument in progress since May of last year!  ROFL!

*Just funnin' wit' ya, investorbob. 

[EVT1]

Great- I mean what adult couldn't handle some 17yo kid?  Except for George Zimmerman of course   Wasn't she still shooting him while he was on the phone with 911- kind of hard to get away with that granny.

[rockon]

   This link should satisfy your hankerin' for an arguement mmhmm.
Hard to believe this shooting would even make the news when we still have stuff like this going on in our country.
www.washingtonpost.com/national/abortion-clinic-worker-describes-cutting-babies-at-philly-clinic-doctor-faces-8-murder-counts/2013/03/20/a56e7dfa-9126-11e2-9173-7f87cda73b49_story.html

[Tennesseer]

Sandra Layne was sentenced today to 22 to 40 years in prison.  

"I don't want to die in jail or prison," she said, sobbing loudly.

But even Jonathan's mother, Jennifer Hoffman — Layne's own daughter — asked for the maximum possible sentence, telling the court her mother was "pure evil."

She smiled broadly and gave a thumbs-up sign as her mother was sentenced. Afterward, she told reporters that her mother was "a complete narcissist and a liar."

"I wish I had seen signs of how evil she was before I left her with my son," Hoffman said.

Michigan woman, 75, gets at least 22 years in prison for killing grandson

[zibazinski]

Shame on that woman. Her mother must be so ashamed she raised such a bad daughter who in turn raised another bad child. Fortunately, that old lady won't be in jail for long.

[Tennesseer]

Apr 19, 2013 11:59:40 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

Shame on that woman. Her mother must be so ashamed she raised such a bad daughter who in turn raised another bad child. Fortunately, that old lady won't be in jail for long.

Yea. She'll die in prison and be out soon.

[zibazinski]

I don't think so.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

May 23, 2012 9:48:49 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

You know what? You leave your feral child with old people because you can't handle him and don't want to be bothered with him and when he goes nuts, you are mad because he gets shot? That father should be apologizing for the harm he caused those people who had to shoot and go to jail because he brought up a lousy kid. Grandma probably was sick of the trauma and drama this child brought into the family. I, for one, thank her, for ridding society of another anti-social human being. Who knows how many lives and property she spared? I'm sorry for her because she went too far and now will pay for it but what kind of parent sticks that kind of child with an old woman?

I'll have hope for America again once these situations are rare, and this is the normal response of most people to these situations when they do happen.  Nobody wants to take personal responsibility for anything anymore.  Trayvon was shuffled around, too.  He wouldn't have even been in Orlando if his parents hadn't split up and he wasn't up to his eyeballs in trouble in the Miami government school system.

[thyme4change]

What an effed up family.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

May 22, 2012 8:40:46 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

This time in Michigan, by a family member, and evidently he was not wearing a hoodie. Police heard the follow up kill shots on his 911 call, telling the police he had been shot.
usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/22/11805562-grandmother-charged-with-murder-after-allegedly-shooting-grandson-eight-times?lite

I wonder if Grandma was a Democrat?
Sounds like he was a Trayvon Martin wannabe, based on school and anedotal reports, not that makes it okay to kill him.
Just trying to point out it is not as black and white as everyone like to make it out to be. There are so many shades of gray involved.

Teacher.  This means she's had an f'd up relationship with guns for decades.  Gun safety is at least as important as sex education.  Kids are going to get guns anyway, so we may as well invest in teaching them safe firearm use.  This former teacher has lived in the insular world of government run indoctrination centers for decades.  Of course she's going to go nuts when she finally gets her hands on a gun.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

But seriously- he's a male teen, and she's 74 years old. He was at an "alternative high school" while his parents settled a divorce in Arizona. Police found evidence of his on-going drug abuse, and grandma said she was afraid of him. Did she overreact? Probably. However, at 74 up against a teenage male, grandma won't get a chance to second guess NOT doing something. What I'd like to know is what led up to a firearm being introduced to the situation? Is there evidence he has threatened or abused her?

[Tennesseer]

May 7, 2013 7:16:01 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

I'd say based on her conviction there was evidence she committed second degree murder.

Well the evidence surely wasn't in her favor. After all the kid, after she first shot him, was on the phone with 911 asking for help. Pistol packin grandma then entered the room where he was on the phone with 911 and put a few more slugs in him to finished him off.

[Tennesseer]

May 7, 2013 7:16:01 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

I'd say based on her conviction there was evidence she committed second degree murder.

Well the evidence surely wasn't in her favor. After all the kid, after she first shot him, was on the phone with 911 asking for help. Pistol packin grandma then entered the room where he was on the phone with 911 and put a few more slugs in him to finished him off.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

May 7, 2013 8:06:11 GMT -5 @lonewolf said:

May 22, 2012 10:02:27 GMT -5 handyman2 said:

Reading the whole report on this story the grandma may have more of a stand your ground defense than Zimmerman. The grandson has a past.

Regardless if he had a past. If grams was trying to defend herself, one bullet would have done it.

Maybe.  Maybe he was calling 911, or maybe he was calling his pals for backup?  Maybe he was fetching a weapon of his own?  Anyway, I have no issues with the conviction- the law is the law, and the police did their job, the prosecutors did their job, and the jury did their job.  That's enough for me.  However, it does seem like there's more to the story when a 74 year old shoots her own grandson.  So, either she had a crappy defense- or there's a flaw in the law, or-- it is what it is: she killed her own grandson in cold blood.  As unbelievable as that is, it wouldn't be the first sick family on family crime.

[Tennesseer]

May 7, 2013 8:54:19 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

May 7, 2013 8:06:11 GMT -5 @lonewolf said:

Regardless if he had a past. If grams was trying to defend herself, one bullet would have done it.

Maybe.  Maybe he was calling 911, or maybe he was calling his pals for backup?  Maybe he was fetching a weapon of his own?  Anyway, I have no issues with the conviction- the law is the law, and the police did their job, the prosecutors did their job, and the jury did their job.  That's enough for me.  However, it does seem like there's more to the story when a 74 year old shoots her own grandson.  So, either she had a crappy defense- or there's a flaw in the law, or-- it is what it is: she killed her own grandson in cold blood.  As unbelievable as that is, it wouldn't be the first sick family on family crime.

And maybe you never read the initial article in the opening post.

"During Layne's arraignment Monday, a police detective testified that Hoffman frantically told a 911 dispatcher he had been shot in the chest by his grandmother and that he was going to die.

By the time officers arrived at the property, at least four more shots from a .40-caliber handgun had been pumped into the high school senior."

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

May 23, 2012 9:48:49 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

You know what? You leave your feral child with old people because you can't handle him and don't want to be bothered with him and when he goes nuts, you are mad because he gets shot? That father should be apologizing for the harm he caused those people who had to shoot and go to jail because he brought up a lousy kid. Grandma probably was sick of the trauma and drama this child brought into the family. I, for one, thank her, for ridding society of another anti-social human being. Who knows how many lives and property she spared? I'm sorry for her because she went too far and now will pay for it but what kind of parent sticks that kind of child with an old woman?

BING f'ing GO.  

But you know, if people whose kids would be fortunate if they upgraded their parenting style to 'raise them like plants' ever actually took responsibility for the consequences of their neglect, there might just be hope for this decaying empire.

[Deleted]

 Perhaps the kid had been forced into drinking 2% milk and it just pushed him over the edge... ?

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

May 7, 2013 20:31:38 GMT -5 @patiencetried said:

 Perhaps the kid had been forced into drinking 2% milk and it just pushed him over the edge... ?

I know you're just funnin' but there might be something to nutritional deficits at critical developmental stages.  This could be causing or exacerbating behavioral issues, and rather than fix the problem, we've prescribed psychotropic drugs.  The fundamental problem is no doubt the breakup of this kid's family, the selfishness and poor judgment of his parents, and the apparent temperament of grandma.  There are some definite issues in this family- but these things are hard enough to deal with when you have a normal, healthy, well-developed body and brain.

This fat thing is on the verge of collapse.  The food nazis are wrong about fatty foods, they are wrong about the link between saturated animal fats and heart disease, they are wrong about whole grains.  But the fact is a lot of this damage is already done.  

My kid's school offers calorie-deficit lunches that don't feed him so we have to send food to school.  The other day, I observed they use 'fat free" italian salad dressing as an option.  WRONG.  Again.  cookingwithlittlebuddy.com/once-again-food-nazis-are-wrong/