Colleges that take MS degrees for full professors

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Help! Once upon a time someone posted a college in the northwest I think Washington state or Oregon that was desperate enough for professors that they would take people with Master's degrees for full professor positions instead of the usual badly paid adjunct roles.

If you posted what college that was could you please post it again?

Also, any info on similar colleges in the US, i.e. faculty as a Master's in Electrical engineering or what you know about alternative routes to teaching Math and Physics in NJ or any other state.



Thanks!

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City University takes adjunct teachers with Masters degrees (it's a private University that has physical buildings in WA, but is a world-wide distance learning university), but it is not professorship.

[simser]

ok so we're going to back up a bit because I'm confused, so I want you to know where I'm coming from.

Full professor is a title that is obtained when you pass through a 2nd tenure like process. It's different than being tenure track. It sounds like you want a tenure track position.

Professorship usually requires some research program. A lecturer is a full time non-adjunct position that just teachs.

Departments that will regularly hire professors who teach and don't have doctorates are: music, theater, business. Those are fields in which the masters degree is the terminal degree.

As for science degrees it is tough out there to get a professorship. Really tough. I don't know of any university who is struggling to find PhD's in any engineering or science field. I had many friends who have been looking for 2 years, and applying to dozens of schools, and can't get a job. I also know people with PhDs who are now teaching high school.

Possibly community colleges? You can be full time at a community college, but you won't be tenure track. Is the masters in science an MS or MA? Was there a thesis involved? That may make a difference.

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If it helps, you may be able to teach on the secondary level. We have a PhD engineer (teaches p/t at UAB), a lawyer, a doctor, and a nurse. I have no idea if they had to get certified, but if so, they were hired and got it while teaching.

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Apr 28, 2012 17:29:17 GMT -5 simser said:

ok so we're going to back up a bit because I'm confused, so I want you to know where I'm coming from.

Full professor is a title that is obtained when you pass through a 2nd tenure like process. It's different than being tenure track. It sounds like you want a tenure track position.

Professorship usually requires some research program. A lecturer is a full time non-adjunct position that just teachs.

Departments that will regularly hire professors who teach and don't have music are: music, theater, business. Those are fields in which the masters degree is the terminal degree.

As for science degrees it is tough out there to get a professorship. Really tough. I don't know of any university who is struggling to find PhD's in any engineering or science field. I had many friends who have been looking for 2 years, and applying to dozens of schools, and can't get a job. I also know people with PhDs who are now teaching high school.

Possibly community colleges? You can be full time at a community college, but you won't be tenure track. Is the masters in science an MS or MA? Was there a thesis involved? That may make a difference.

I have been at 3 different universities in my graduate education. I don't remember ever seeing a MS as a professor in the sciences. The closest thn I have seen is some doctoral candidates (ABD) that are teaching as adjuncts in Public Health. But none in the sciences.

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What simser and mich said, as far as the sciences are concerned. There's a glut of PhD's; it's rare to find a professor who hasn't done at least one postdoc much less one without a PhD.

Although, I have to note that EE is a very different field with a lot more demand. DH (PhD in that field) thinks it might be possible at much lower-level colleges.

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Apr 28, 2012 18:01:46 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

Apr 28, 2012 17:29:17 GMT -5 simser said:

ok so we're going to back up a bit because I'm confused, so I want you to know where I'm coming from.

Full professor is a title that is obtained when you pass through a 2nd tenure like process. It's different than being tenure track. It sounds like you want a tenure track position.

Professorship usually requires some research program. A lecturer is a full time non-adjunct position that just teachs.

Departments that will regularly hire professors who teach and don't have music are: music, theater, business. Those are fields in which the masters degree is the terminal degree.

As for science degrees it is tough out there to get a professorship. Really tough. I don't know of any university who is struggling to find PhD's in any engineering or science field. I had many friends who have been looking for 2 years, and applying to dozens of schools, and can't get a job. I also know people with PhDs who are now teaching high school.

Possibly community colleges? You can be full time at a community college, but you won't be tenure track. Is the masters in science an MS or MA? Was there a thesis involved? That may make a difference.

I have been at 3 different universities in my graduate education. I don't remember ever seeing a MS as a professor in the sciences. The closest thn I have seen is some doctoral candidates (ABD) that are teaching as adjuncts in Public Health. But none in the sciences.

Really? What schools? I'm ABD in public health and looking to go on the market next year once I finish my dissertation

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I think the credentials required also vary with the level of class that you are teaching. I think our school requires a masters + 20 hours in cases where they don't require a terminal degree.

[973beachbum]

The colleges that I have known that had people with only a masters teaching at have all been schools that only have undergrad programs, except one, like county colleges. There was one engineer at a state univ, but I think they were having problems getting someone with a PHD so they went with the best qualified and moved on. They all also are almost all plain full time teaching positions not research type jobs. Most taught (5) 3 credit classes 2 semesters a year and pay okay buy have good benefits.

Have you looked on HERC? In NJ that is THE place to look for a college teaching job.

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Apr 29, 2012 10:29:43 GMT -5 @craftysarah said:

Apr 28, 2012 18:01:46 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

I have been at 3 different universities in my graduate education. I don't remember ever seeing a MS as a professor in the sciences. The closest thn I have seen is some doctoral candidates (ABD) that are teaching as adjuncts in Public Health. But none in the sciences.

Really? What schools? I'm ABD in public health and looking to go on the market next year once I finish my dissertation

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I think the credentials required also vary with the level of class that you are teaching. I think our school requires a masters + 20 hours in cases where they don't require a terminal degree.

I think it is a special situation. Ironically, a friend of mine. She spent years working in this subject in the state government and decided to GP back and get her DrPH. She's on the same tack I'm on too....ABD. An opening came up from someone retiring and because she had spent so much time in this area, they hired her for this and should be defending this summer.

If she didn't have the years experience in this field and hadn't been ABD, I don't think she she'd have gotten her foot in the door.