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Post by midwesterner (banned) on Jan 20, 2011 23:05:42 GMT -5
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Post by sanityjones on Jan 20, 2011 23:09:46 GMT -5
Does this mean there will be a sauerkraut embargo against the U.S.?
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Post by djrick on Jan 20, 2011 23:27:01 GMT -5
Volker Pispers history of USA and terrorism 1 of 5
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Post by SweetVirginia on Jan 21, 2011 0:14:44 GMT -5
Well, good thing it does not matter what the Germans think about what happened to America.
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Post by handyman2 on Jan 21, 2011 0:15:17 GMT -5
Well it is easy to speculate but hard to prove. Conspiracy addicts will never be convinced even if they were there and saw it with their own eyes.
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Post by deziloooooo on Jan 21, 2011 0:34:11 GMT -5
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Post by deziloooooo on Jan 21, 2011 0:38:51 GMT -5
BiG deal, same % don't believe there was ever a Third Reich or a guy with a Charlie Chaplin mustache who was addressed as Der Fuhrer either
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Post by midwesterner (banned) on Jan 21, 2011 0:41:09 GMT -5
That sounds like a pretty anti German statement there. Knowing personally some Germans I find this very, very offensive. You obviously have never been there, cause I promise you they are very ashamed of their past, in which almost none of them alive at this point had anything to do with. I didn't realize bashing a whole ethnic group was appropriate behavior on here.
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Post by warsaw (banned) on Jan 21, 2011 0:47:47 GMT -5
More info please. Don't start! LOL!
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Post by deziloooooo on Jan 21, 2011 2:02:50 GMT -5
That sounds like a pretty anti German statement there. Knowing personally some Germans I find this very, very offensive. You obviously have never been there, cause I promise you they are very ashamed of their past, in which almost none of them alive at this point had anything to do with. I didn't realize bashing a whole ethnic group was appropriate behavior on here. Oh been there..still many alive .....not a bash, just a little zing.
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on Jan 21, 2011 5:31:24 GMT -5
Well, good thing it does not matter what the Germans think about what happened to America. Agreed.
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Post by midwesterner (banned) on Jan 21, 2011 7:11:48 GMT -5
Yes but did you see below the zogby poll in the USA? Take a look. We all believed in the easter bunny once, but then we grew up. Time to take a look a the facts of that day instead of just take the issue at face value.
#1 thing, why no new investigation, or zero cooperation about these legit and concerning questions that people have, including many victims families? Many are concerned as you can see, so why not lay the whole issue to rest, have a new independent investigation, then if the so called conspiracy loons are wrong then end of story. The 9/11 commission was omitted much information, done fast, and was not independent.
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Post by vl on Jan 21, 2011 7:31:58 GMT -5
Given all that has occurred since 9/11... I am more inclined to consider manipulation theories over a foreign attack. Strange... but countries who don't want us there and likely never did, who have OIL they consider a curse, who are more religious than capitalistic... would have no valid reason to attack us. On the flipside... clandestine and decrepit cultures in both Texas and New York had vested interests in the event and have both reaped massive windfalls from the post-event society and economy. It was an inside job... still is.
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Post by midwesterner (banned) on Jan 21, 2011 8:11:19 GMT -5
Your missing the point. The uber elites benefited after 9/11. Resources in middle east, the companies that were chosen to profit. Look into it. No bit contracts, and other anti freedom security measures like naked body scanners at airports. We also have the patriot act, endless wars, color coded terror alerts (to tell you how afraid to be), warrant-less wiretaps, fusion centers, dept homeland security, trillions missing from Pentagon, all the while our Mexican and Canadian boarders are left open. If they were serious about an external threat, then the boarders would be one of the first places to watch, but that hasn't happened. Could go on and on. www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/economy/commentary-mainmenu-43/5240-getting-rich-from-the-naked-body-scanners
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Post by midwesterner (banned) on Jan 21, 2011 8:17:49 GMT -5
Some Food for Thought:Take a look at these, they bring up some very interesting unanswered questions.
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Post by jkapp on Jan 21, 2011 9:55:38 GMT -5
Yes but did you see below the zogby poll in the USA? Take a look. We all believed in the easter bunny once, but then we grew up. Time to take a look a the facts of that day instead of just take the issue at face value. #1 thing, why no new investigation, or zero cooperation about these legit and concerning questions that people have, including many victims families? Many are concerned as you can see, so why not lay the whole issue to rest, have a new independent investigation, then if the so called conspiracy loons are wrong then end of story. The 9/11 commission was omitted much information, done fast, and was not independent. 27% of Americans don't believe Obama is a US citizen, so should we also do more investigations, lay everything out on the table, etc, etc? How about the Kennedy assassination? That was never followed up on very well either... How many conspiracy theories do we want to waste more time and energy on???
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Post by midwesterner (banned) on Jan 21, 2011 10:08:27 GMT -5
First my question for you is have you taken enough time to research these points brought up, or have you taken it at face value? Have you looked at the evidence surrounding them for more than an hour? If not then there isn't much you can really comment on, since you haven't even been exposed to what the claims are.
Second point is considering these events are so significant, because of the changes in our lifestyles, nation and direction of our countries, that if there is sufficient evidence like there is, to reopen these important topics, and review them unbiased and independently, it should happen. 9/11 changed everything, so if it has changed everything and there are reasons to believe we are not being told the full story, we are living a lie if proven incorrectly, and it has impacted each and everyone of us with wars, taxations, increased security, erosion of civil liberties, and patriot act which is anything but patriotic.
Think about this:
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Post by floridayankee on Jan 21, 2011 11:24:25 GMT -5
Well it is easy to speculate but hard to prove. Conspiracy addicts will never be convinced even if they were there and saw it with their own eyes. Believe nothing you hear and only half of what you see......
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Jan 21, 2011 11:38:49 GMT -5
Believe nothing you hear and only half of what you see.........and none of what you feel...
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Post by midwesterner (banned) on Jan 21, 2011 15:15:35 GMT -5
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Post by safeharbor37 on Jan 22, 2011 21:13:28 GMT -5
Most likely the explanations the government gives us are pretty accurate. The problem is that their [the authorities] attitude is such that it makes curious people question their conclusions [Enquiring people want to know!]. We got lied to several times on the day of the Kennedy assassination and there were a number of questions that were swept under the rug by the Warren Commission [even it's composition was suspect]. Evidence was sealed and some of it is still not released [due to "sensitivity" of the Kennedy family]. I couldn't understand at first, but as more came out regarding JFK it became obvious that the Kennedy family didn't want an exhaustive investigation because too much would have been disclosed about JFK himself. So.....we got a snow job. In all likelihood the major conclusions; that Lee Harvey Oswald was the one and only assassin and other details, were accurate, if not complete. Anyone notice that we still don't know much about Jack Ruby and, although a number of potential witnesses died in suspicious circumstances, we don't know much about them either. Walt Garrison's book and Oliver Stone's movie suggest conspiracy, but of course neither were historical documents and and Stone's was unapologetically fictionalized. The US government usually takes the position that the people should believe whatever they are told. I suspect that most of what they are told is as true as is possible [or at least practical], the attitude of the government leads to more suspicion, conspiracy theories and disbelief than would otherwise be justified. Disbelief in the government's version of 9/11 is not surprising considering that the historians have yet to resolve all the issues involved in the Burr/Hamilton duel and the Lincoln assassination.
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Post by teppe2 on Jan 22, 2011 23:05:53 GMT -5
This is where knowledge of a foreign language is useful. The question wasn't whether Germans believe the explanation of the government, the question was if Germans believe that the government has made public the COMPLETE truth concerning the attacks. Does the government (or any government) EVER make ALL details of anything public? As to covert actions of the CIA on German soil, the CIA itself has acknowledged that. Apart from the fact that intelligence gathering tends to be covert in general, it's the nature of the business regardless of who is doing it where.
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