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Post by rick on Jan 20, 2011 18:42:24 GMT -5
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Post by JustLurkin on Jan 21, 2011 9:03:49 GMT -5
Weirdest story I've read in a long time. I *thought*...yea, it happens...that once you were deployed custody changed--so you would think the ex would have had to start the proceedings again with whoever had custody, not that the custody proceedings would continue against someone in the middle of a freaking war...right? Wow, "freaking" doesn't show up in spell check...cooooollll!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2011 9:17:27 GMT -5
Concina’s family said she had full custody of her daughter, Mina,
To me, that's the interesting point. Something had to be going on for her to get full custody. Just guessing, her ex is an A-hole & saw the opportunity to get the kid & took it. I'm sure that it was perfectly legal but bad for the kid to be caught in the middle like that. When I went over seas with my oldest we had joint custody. I'm sure that my ex could have tried something like that but (thank God) she didn't have the money for a long drawn out legal battle (I did). Sadly with our legal system you there are so many options open to you that you can use the system to do what you want to.
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Post by 973beachbum on Jan 21, 2011 9:18:57 GMT -5
Rick don't they go over things like this with people before they are deployed? I would think that yanking someone back like that is a big disruption, not to mention i would imagine costly. So why not make sure everything is taken care of properly in advance?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2011 16:29:00 GMT -5
beachbum my take on the story is that everything WAS taken care of before she left. Once she was gone the husband used her absence as an excuse to go back to court & file for custody.
One would assume that you could do the same thing if the ex was a salesman who took extended (say 2 weeks) sales trips. I mean what would the cut off be (time wise)?
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Post by rick on Jan 21, 2011 18:01:19 GMT -5
Rick don't they go over things like this with people before they are deployed? I would think that yanking someone back like that is a big disruption, not to mention i would imagine costly. So why not make sure everything is taken care of properly in advance? They have to have a family care program in place, which it sounds like she did since her sister had custody. But what I wonder is why she was allowed to deploy with the pending action. Im sure the whole process was started long before she deployed. Unless the Army new about it and refused to let her stay and finsih it out.
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Post by thyme4change on Jan 21, 2011 18:06:50 GMT -5
Just goes to show you - be very, very, very careful about who you have a baby with.
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Post by rick on Jan 21, 2011 18:09:12 GMT -5
Just goes to show you - be very, very, very careful about who you have a baby with. That is so true, there are a lot of nut cases out there
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Post by 973beachbum on Jan 22, 2011 9:22:52 GMT -5
Concina’s family said she had full custody of her daughter, Mina, To me, that's the interesting point. Something had to be going on for her to get full custody. Just guessing, her ex is an A-hole & saw the opportunity to get the kid & took it. I'm sure that it was perfectly legal but bad for the kid to be caught in the middle like that. When I went over seas with my oldest we had joint custody. I'm sure that my ex could have tried something like that but (thank God) she didn't have the money for a long drawn out legal battle (I did). Sadly with our legal system you there are so many options open to you that you can use the system to do what you want to. I don't think so, although they both appear to hate each others guts. They say they are both active duty in the army. She was stationed in NJ and he in LA. With the parents living in separate states so far from each other there is no way to have anything other than one parent having primary full custody and the other visitation. Although in NJ I do see a lot of full custody and visitation more than I see joint anyway. All that said this man is the child's dad. Barring anything bad that someone could have done, to the child, why wouldn't the mom think that custody of the child would go to him while she is out of the country for a year? This wasn't a long weekend away she was deployed for a year! To me common sense would say that even if she has full primary custody that her not being in the same country as the child for a year would require a modification of the custody agreement and Dad would have primary custody while she is deployed. I know that while they live 2000 miles apart that the kid has to live somewhere and it can't reasonably be in two places at once. But when she needed to leave the country for a year she still didn't think about the father. She decided to move the child to her sister's home. (Dear God I sound like MU! ) I don't get how you can be married to someone and have a child with them and manage to hate them so much more than you love your own child.
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Jan 22, 2011 9:29:59 GMT -5
...my take is that there was some reason she did not want dad to keep kid for the year... and dad got miffed enough to file right before she leaves as a middle finger gesture... stuff like this happens all the time, unfortunately... seems like he will get a major slap on the wrist if/when it is shown that he filed incorrectly in the first place...
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Post by rick on Jan 22, 2011 10:31:11 GMT -5
I know that while they live 2000 miles apart that the kid has to live somewhere and it can't reasonably be in two places at once. But when she needed to leave the country for a year she still didn't think about the father. She decided to move the child to her sister's home. (Dear God I sound like MU Read more: notmsnmoney.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=fun&action=display&thread=2000#ixzz1BmK1Yz5bThe article didn't say, but maybe the Father being active army was deployed at the time of the agreement and wasn't available when the order was made to grant full custody, and its possible he was sent back early to gain the custody order. There is a lot untold here
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Post by 973beachbum on Jan 22, 2011 10:57:49 GMT -5
From same paper, different article. Maybe I am wrong but I am reading this as Dad won temporary custody of their daughter while Mom is deployed and because mom wouldn't let their daughter go with him they got into this whole her violating custody orders from the judge. And not to sound like MU again fathers should have rights. Hating your ex isn't a reason to put the child with a relative int stead of their father. IMO It also sounds in the articles like Mom's family is jacking her up with the feud thing. Again just my impression but family's do do that and it rarely helps solve problems just keeps the bad feeling right there like an open wound. There was a comment under that said that the JAG refuses to be involved in these custody disputes. Considering how nasty it got I don't blame them.
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Post by rick on Jan 22, 2011 11:54:22 GMT -5
Thompson won a court order for temporary custody of Mina from a civilian judge in Louisiana for the time Yetta was deployed.
After receiving word of the judge’s decision, Concina asked for emergency leave from her duties in Afghanistan to return home to sort out the dispute
They way Im reading it, the order was awarded after she left, which means she wasnt able to be there for the hearing, and she wasnt there to follow up on the order.
Now I ask, would you give custody of your kid from 5000 mile miles away. I think not, whech means she was in violation when she got home a week later. The plan was to have her sister take care of her child and she returned home as soon as she got word of the judjes decission. I agree the father has rights, but I also think that Should have requester the mother presence
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Post by 973beachbum on Jan 22, 2011 13:11:53 GMT -5
See this is the part that blows my mind! What on Earth gave her the idea that she could give custody of her child to her sister and cut the ex out???
The way I read the judges part is he felt that as soon as she left the country custody of their child automatically must revert to the non custodial parent. She has no choice in this and she isn't giving custody to him he already has it, even if she has primary custody of their child he doesn't lose his rights as a parent.
The mom even alluded to that when she said that as soon as she returned to the US her custody should have reverted to her immediately.
The kidnapping charge I still don't get. Unless it was because of a refusal to return her by the sister after the judges order. I don't have a clue reading the articles just a thought.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2011 14:13:32 GMT -5
I agree with BeachBum. The mother should never been allowed to give her sister custody of the child. If she was being deployed, then custody should have automatically transferred to the father first, and then if HE was also deployed, then to another person on the Family Plan.
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Post by rick on Jan 22, 2011 15:21:08 GMT -5
I agree with BeachBum. The mother should never been allowed to give her sister custody of the child. If she was being deployed, then custody should have automatically transferred to the father first, and then if HE was also deployed, then to another person on the Family Plan. Thats just it, there is a lot not being told here. We havent heard anything from his side. There may be a whole nother story why she was given custody
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Post by zibazinski on Jan 22, 2011 16:03:44 GMT -5
Perhaps it was so the child didn't have to change schools/lose friends?
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Jan 22, 2011 17:41:41 GMT -5
<<< The way I read the judges part is he felt that as soon as she left the country custody of their child automatically must revert to the non custodial parent. >>> ...why? ...I know plenty of parents who would see boarding school a better option then living with the non-custodial parent for the year... let alone the disruption to school, church, friends, etc.... ...and yes, the news only tells us so much...
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