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Post by reasonfreedom on Mar 8, 2012 15:10:22 GMT -5
I don't think he is doing as well as CNN or any other delegate counting place thinks. Minnesota for one is non-binding and I am willing to bet Ron Paul takes a lot of those. Heck half of these are non-binding. Plus If you look at Santorum's campaign, they were not even smart enough to get onto the Virginia ballot, what makes you think they even know what the delegate process is. Santorum is more popular votes, not educated delegate process votes. In 2008 when I was with the RP grassroots( no association with the campaign), we dedicated most of our meetings to learning how to get delegates. We knew voting is the easiest part(which really doesn't count all that much in the primaries). I knew the campaign managers for Michigan and my brother knew the one in SC, they worked even harder to get the delegates in place. Now you have to see last year we had a late start with RP and funding so by the time we were learning these techniques it was a little to late. I bet RP ends up with a huge chunk of delegates in the convention. campaigns are all about momentum. Romney's has stopped. that really doesn't mean that Santorum has any. i didn't actually say that. what i said was that Santorum is likely to BUILD some in the next 10 days. he might not. but if he does, it is going to be hard for Romney to deliver the KO punch before the convention. I agree with that, I think it might end up being a brokered convention.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Mar 8, 2012 21:47:31 GMT -5
We are NOT going to have a brokered convention. Those that dream of that are in fantasyland. Romney is going to win, and he will go to the convention with over 51% of the delegates so his nomination will not be in dispute. He will lose the general election. But dammit, he's gonna win this primary!
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 8, 2012 22:47:54 GMT -5
We are NOT going to have a brokered convention. Those that dream of that are in fantasyland. dude- YOU were the one that suggested it. no me. YOU. not only that, you RHAPSODIZED on the idea. something about it leading to a better candidate being selected. that was less than two weeks ago. do you seriously not remember that?
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Mar 8, 2012 23:19:19 GMT -5
We are NOT going to have a brokered convention. Those that dream of that are in fantasyland. dude- YOU were the one that suggested it. no me. YOU. not only that, you RHAPSODIZED on the idea. something about it leading to a better candidate being selected. that was less than two weeks ago. do you seriously not remember that? I posted an article about it, and thought it was interesting fodder for discussion. But I've never seriously considered it as a viable outcome of the GOP Primary. I said we need to DEFEAT Mitt, not split the vote and fight about it later.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Mar 8, 2012 23:21:02 GMT -5
In fact, the more I think back to that discussion, I believe my interest in that theory was that it was the GOP's own establishment concerned that their Golden Boy was going to bomb and trying to finagle a way for Mitch Daniels, Chris Christie or some other moderate "savior" to enter the race.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 9, 2012 1:36:03 GMT -5
dude- YOU were the one that suggested it. no me. YOU. not only that, you RHAPSODIZED on the idea. something about it leading to a better candidate being selected. that was less than two weeks ago. do you seriously not remember that? I posted an article about it, and thought it was interesting fodder for discussion. But I've never seriously considered it as a viable outcome of the GOP Primary. I said we need to DEFEAT Mitt, not split the vote and fight about it later. ok. i am either losing my mind, or you are losing yours. i can't stand not knowing which, so it is time to test the search function. edit: found it! i was wrong about the date. it was FOUR weeks ago, not a week or two, and you didn't post an article. but you did say pretty much what i remembered you saying (the opposite of what you said in this thread): notmsnmoney.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=politics&thread=19841&page=2
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Post by handyman2 on Mar 9, 2012 12:52:53 GMT -5
As I have said before Romney's problem in the south is that he is considered an elite New Englander although not born there. Old biasis are hard to break. Only Kennedy was not saddled with that burden. However if Romney wins the nomination he will be strong in the south. Obama for the most part has shot his wad down here.
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Post by reasonfreedom on Mar 9, 2012 13:48:27 GMT -5
I posted an article about it, and thought it was interesting fodder for discussion. But I've never seriously considered it as a viable outcome of the GOP Primary. I said we need to DEFEAT Mitt, not split the vote and fight about it later. ok. i am either losing my mind, or you are losing yours. i can't stand not knowing which, so it is time to test the search function. edit: found it! i was wrong about the date. it was FOUR weeks ago, not a week or two, and you didn't post an article. but you did say pretty much what i remembered you saying (the opposite of what you said in this thread): notmsnmoney.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=politics&thread=19841&page=2Paul= bigger flip flopper than Romney lol
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Post by reasonfreedom on Mar 9, 2012 13:49:19 GMT -5
As I have said before Romney's problem in the south is that he is considered an elite New Englander although not born there. Old biasis are hard to break. Only Kennedy was not saddled with that burden. However if Romney wins the nomination he will be strong in the south. Obama for the most part has shot his wad down here. Ha, not in SC Obama is still really liked.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 9, 2012 14:59:38 GMT -5
As I have said before Romney's problem in the south is that he is considered an elite New Englander although not born there. Old biasis are hard to break. Only Kennedy was not saddled with that burden. However if Romney wins the nomination he will be strong in the south. Obama for the most part has shot his wad down here. Ha, not in SC Obama is still really liked. Romney was ahead of Obama by 15% last August. but thins have changed significantly since then. i doubt very much his lead is that large now. i maintain that Obama's best chance is in Florida. it would actually be fairly easy for him to win it. all he has to do is come out STRONGLY in favor of preserving social security, and he will torpedo whatever Republican is coming at him. and if Obama wins Florida, he will probably win the election.
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Post by reasonfreedom on Mar 9, 2012 17:57:10 GMT -5
Ha, not in SC Obama is still really liked. Romney was ahead of Obama by 15% last August. but thins have changed significantly since then. i doubt very much his lead is that large now. i maintain that Obama's best chance is in Florida. it would actually be fairly easy for him to win it. all he has to do is come out STRONGLY in favor of preserving social security, and he will torpedo whatever Republican is coming at him. and if Obama wins Florida, he will probably win the election. That is what scares me. The older people are worried more about their SS than anything and they were the ones that voted the politicians in to destroy the economy. They want their cake and their grandchildrens' too.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 12, 2012 19:17:07 GMT -5
Santorum is back within striking distance, again. he is going to hang on. this is the problem with not scoring a clear knockout on Super Tuesday....
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Post by usaone on Mar 12, 2012 19:43:01 GMT -5
No brokered convention. Mitt will win. I think Santorum is slipping a little in the polls.
Right now it looks like Obama will win fairly easily but November is a long way off.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 12, 2012 19:50:05 GMT -5
No brokered convention. Mitt will win. I think Santorum is slipping a little in the polls. Right now it looks like Obama will win fairly easily but November is a long way off. on the contrary. the latest CBS poll shows him +5 over Romney. and i think this number will continue to firm for the next three weeks, as the schedule favors Santorum. it won't be until the big states come down- like CA and NY, that Romney shows his strength- but that is a long way off. i am prepared to adjust my thinking if Romney has a good April, but it is no longer certain that Romney won't have to broker his victory, imo. this is precisely the result i was worrying about, and it looks far more plausible now.
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 12, 2012 22:47:33 GMT -5
Rick Santorum: Teleprompters Should Be IllegalRick Santorum’s ongoing war against teleprompters was taken to the next level recently when the Republican presidential candidate said in a speech that the machines should be illegal. "See, I always believed that when you run for president of the United States, it should be illegal to read off a teleprompter, because all you're doing is reading someone else's words to people," Santorum said while campaigning in Mississippi, CNN reports. "You're voting for someone who is going to be the leader of our government," Santorum continued. "It's important for you to understand who that person is in their own words, see them, look them in the eye ... hear what's (in their) heart." Santorum has been very vocal about his disapproval of the use of teleprompters. He first began targeting President Barack Obama, whose frequent use of a teleprompter has long been a point of Republican jokes. More recently Santorum set his sights on his Republican primary opponent Mitt Romney, who has also used a teleprompter. "You're choosing a leader,” Santorum said. “A leader isn't just about what's written on a piece of paper." Recent Mississippi polls show Santorum trailing behind both Romney and Newt Gingrich in the state. www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/12/rick-santorum-teleprompters-illegal_n_1339246.htmlI suppose he could say even crazier things.
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Post by Don Perignon on Mar 12, 2012 23:00:02 GMT -5
Perhaps the Santorum Sideshow is just getting ready to slide into High Gear. We ain't seen nuthin' yet...?
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Post by mmhmm on Mar 12, 2012 23:05:50 GMT -5
I hope you're wrong, Don. I've seen enough. Honest. I have!
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Post by sgtjer on Mar 13, 2012 6:37:35 GMT -5
"Rick Santorum: Teleprompters Should Be Illegal"
Now, if someone had invented an EVANGELICAL teleprompter, he might have avoided making stupid statements and gained some traction with rational people. Until then, he can continue to serve as the leader of the lunatic fringe.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 13, 2012 13:23:15 GMT -5
I hope you're wrong, Don. I've seen enough. Honest. I have! aw, COMON! what other aspirant have you ever seen that thinks that contraception should be illegal? well, in the last half century anyway?
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 13, 2012 14:28:27 GMT -5
I figured this was a good a place as any to post this. It could probably happen to any politician.
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Post by Waffle on Mar 13, 2012 14:33:46 GMT -5
I really want Santorum to win the Republican nomination. I think the debates between Santorum and Obama would be so entertaining. Don't misunderstand me I don't want Santorum to be president - I just think the race would be more interesting than a Romney Obama contest. And Romney's claim that he's the only candidate that can beat Obama might be weakening according to a recent poll - Santorum is polling just as well against Obama (but still losing) as Romney. www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57395717-503544/poll-romney-santorum-narrow-gap-on-obama/
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Post by sgtjer on Mar 13, 2012 15:39:45 GMT -5
I really want Santorum to win the Republican nomination. I think the debates between Santorum and Obama would be so entertaining. Don't misunderstand me I don't want Santorum to be president - I just think the race would be more interesting than a Romney Obama contest.
Same here .... Saturday Nite Live would have a field day with him.
So would Obama. Right now he's just sitting back taking notes, hoping he gets Ricky in the election instead of Mitt. Easier pickings, especially among the Independents, and women.
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 13, 2012 15:51:47 GMT -5
Okay, I know that conservatives are already explain how Santorum isn't a true conservative so that if he is defeated they will still be able to claim that a "conservative" wasn't actually defeated it would be a good opportunity for Americans to say "yes" or "no" to a person with the public stances taken by Santorum.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Mar 13, 2012 16:07:26 GMT -5
Obama has his own problems. He's spiraling towards an implosion of his presidency. His poll numbers are now officially in free-fall.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Mar 13, 2012 22:57:51 GMT -5
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 13, 2012 23:05:11 GMT -5
Santorum getting an actual majority win in the Missouri caucuses?
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Mar 13, 2012 23:30:17 GMT -5
All I know is that coming in third isn't much of a front-runner.
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 13, 2012 23:40:29 GMT -5
All I know is that coming in third isn't much of a front-runner. Agreed but also getting 33 and 35 percent isn't much of a winner either. And second place is the first loser. Salagadoola mechicka boola bibbidi-bobbidi-boo Put 'em together and what have you got bibbidi-bobbidi-boo Salagadoola mechicka boola bibbidi-bobbidi-boo It'll do magic believe it or not bibbidi-bobbidi-boo Salagadoola means mechicka booleroo But the thingmabob that does the job is bibbidi-bobbidi-boo Salagadoola menchicka boola bibbidi-bobbidi-boo Put 'em together and what have you got bibbidi-bobbidi bibbidi-bobbidi bibbidi-bobbidi-boo Copyright Disney But which will end up being Cinderella and who Drizella and Anastasia?
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Post by sgtjer on Mar 14, 2012 7:02:30 GMT -5
www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/13/us-usa-campaign-obama-idUSBRE82C1AN20120313Obama poll numbers .... ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) "Romney's support rose by 8 percentage points during the past month while Santorum - who attracted support from conservatives with a series of controversial comments on religion and social issues such as contraception - rose by 14 percentage points. While Santorum appeared to benefit from the change in tone of the Republican campaign, perhaps no candidate benefited more than the Democratic president, whose party made a point of casting Republicans' tough talk on abortion, contraception and other issues as an attack on women's rights."
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Mar 14, 2012 7:25:15 GMT -5
And the slow motion implosion of the GOP presidential nomination process continues unabated. Mitt Romney wasn't even in Mississippi or Alabama last night; he's had all the cheesy grits he wants, apparently. NPR released poll numbers for Mississippi conservatives. According to the poll's results, a majority believe that the President is a Muslim, and only 10% believe that he is Christian. 60% of them do not believe in evolution. 1. If the President says he's a Christian, then that's what he is. 2. I don't believe in evolution. Lots of people don't believe in evolution. So what? 3. Mitt Romney was leading in MS. Not a single poll showed Santorum leading. I believe there are other surprises ahead for Mr. Romney.
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