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Post by moon/Laura on Feb 12, 2012 13:40:51 GMT -5
Frank can't be here... but his *thoughts* can be! THE ECONOMY There wasn’t much new information on the economy this week, and what there was could be interpreted in different ways; not too helpful in making predictions about the future. Let’s look at the following data from two points of view shall we? #tongue_smile# Consumer credit jumped sharply in December, +$19.3 billion, more than twice what analysts had expected. Auto loans were a big part of the increase. That’s good – consumers are more confident, less worried about losing their jobs, and it’s a boost for the manufacturing sector....right? That’s bad – spending is increasing faster than income, the savings rate is going down, and besides, it was probably just a one-month burst due to holiday shopping. The U. S. trade deficit with the rest of the world increased to $48.8 billion, a six-month high, as imports outpaced exports, which gained for the first time in three months. That’s good – increased exports stimulate growth and create jobs. Higher imports are another sign of growing consumer confidence. That’s bad – the continuing deficit puts upward pressure on interest rates and downward pressure on the value of the dollar. We’re increasing our dependency on foreign investors. THE MARKETS The markets seemed to run out of gas at the end of the week. The shortage of new economic data and those nagging European worries ganged up to end this year’s strong start. The declines in the major indicators were minimal; perhaps just a breather before further increases? The Dow [-0.47%; +4.78%], the S & P 500 [-0.17%; +6.76%], and the NASDAQ Composite [-0.06%; +11.47%] all remained solidly in the black for the year. The big worry this weekend was whether the Greek Parliament would agree to a new round of austerity cuts in exchange for another round of bailout funds from the European Central Bank (ECB) and the International Monetary Fund (IMF). Even if the government signs off on the plan, there are worries about public acceptance and the effect on spring elections. Given the Greek worries and the strong advance over the past month, it appeared that several areas were holding their breath pending new information. They included: U. S. Treasury yields and prices were flat for the week; the yield on 10-year bonds hovered near the 2% level. Mortgage rates barely moved; a $25 billion settlement fund from major banks may help some homeowners who are “underwater” on their mortgages. The dollar value of the Euro (€) was stable; surprising given the uncertainties about Greece. Mario Monti, Italy’s prime minister, visiting the NYSE, was optimistic about finding a solution to stabilize the Euro zone. In the petroleum sector, crude oil moved up, just barely under the $100 per barrel marker (closing Friday at $99.84), while gasoline continued its slow but steady increase to $3.48 per gallon as a national average. Barron’s had an intriguing cover page this weekend: “DOW 15,000.” The subheading noted the following:#tongue_smile# “If Europe gets its debt crisis under control and the U. S. economy keeps growing, we could easily see Dow 15,000 by the end of next year. American companies are in terrific shape, and history strongly suggests that stocks are ready to break to new highs.”....HEY THAT'S MY FUCKING STORY!!!! The Barron’s cover got me thinking about several books that were published in the late 1990s with numerically-oriented titles like “Dow 20,000,” “Dow 30,000,” and “Dow 36,000.” Unfortunately, we never reached those optimistic levels; not even close....but we will So, how likely are we to reach Barron’s more conservative target? At Friday’s close for the Dow - 12,801 - it’s about a seventeen percent hike to 15,000. That doesn’t seem too outlandish a goal by the end of 2013. Let’s use P/E analysis to see what it would take to accomplish it....shall we? The current combined earnings level of the Dow (taken directly from the pages of Barron’s itself) is $896.47. Multiply that figure by the Dow’s current P/E multiple of 14.28, and you get the current level of 12,801. Assuming the same P/E multiple, the Dow’s earnings would have to increase by that same 17% to $1,050.42 over the next two years (14.28 X $1,050.42 = 15,000). But, if corporate earnings do jump seventeen percent over the next couple of years (and the Europeans come up with something approaching stability), won’t the Dow’s P/E multiple likely expand as well? I think so; which may make 15,000 too conservative a target. If earnings reach $1,050.42, and the P/E multiple expands to just 16 times earnings, the Dow average would be 16,807. That’s a gain of more than 31% over the next two years! If that scenario plays out, my guess is that most of the increase will take place in 2013, not this year. Why? For one, the results of the 2012 elections will be known, which is currently a burden on the market. Second, continued earnings gains and low short-term interest rates will likely pull some of the $2.7 trillion in money-market funds into stocks. FAST FRANK'S FAST FINANCIAL FACT According to a recent report from the Financial Research Corporation, the assets in all Section 529 education savings plans fell by 10.2% during the third quarter of 2011 to approximately $134.6 billion.....why>...SHITY MGT
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Post by usaone on Feb 12, 2012 15:38:13 GMT -5
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Post by The Virginian on Feb 13, 2012 15:48:10 GMT -5
FTI is back !
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Post by Steady As She Goes on Feb 13, 2012 16:06:08 GMT -5
FTI is back ! Really? Where? I see his words, but don't see any sign of him himself. It's very sad that PB made their "official" decision on what appears to be hearsay instead of getting ALL the facts.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2012 16:08:01 GMT -5
There was an official decision? Curious minds want to know.
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Post by Steady As She Goes on Feb 13, 2012 16:11:56 GMT -5
There was an official decision? Curious minds want to know. I was talking about their "official" decision they (PB) made last year when FTI was banned. I don't know af any later "official' decisions made.
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Post by moon/Laura on Feb 13, 2012 16:48:45 GMT -5
"in absentia" means that FTI himself is not here- because he can't be.
yes, that's because some &%(#! with a grudge went and told a bullshit story to PB. no, they will not reverse their decision. no, PB doesn't care what the truth is.
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Post by Steady As She Goes on Feb 13, 2012 17:06:15 GMT -5
"in absentia" means that FTI himself is not here- because he can't be. yes, that's because some &%(#! with a grudge went and told a bullshit story to PB. no, they will not reverse their decision. no, PB doesn't care what the truth is. How very sad for them
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Post by moon/Laura on Feb 13, 2012 17:24:08 GMT -5
i know, right?
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Post by The Virginian on Feb 13, 2012 18:05:22 GMT -5
They can ban us - but they can't stop freedom of speech!
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Post by dothedd on Feb 13, 2012 19:11:32 GMT -5
GOD BLESS AMERICA (MOON .. a flag would be nice.)
FTI
THANKS MOON ...
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Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Feb 14, 2012 1:50:07 GMT -5
They can ban us - but they can't stop freedom of speech! That's exactly it Mr.V... They can't stop us all!!! Thanks again moon!!!
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Post by Steady As She Goes on Feb 14, 2012 16:36:55 GMT -5
So what the heck happened at 3:30 PM today that the markets decided to ... oh I don't know ... leap 80+ points
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Post by bimetalaupt on Feb 14, 2012 18:16:19 GMT -5
So what the heck happened at 3:30 PM today that the markets decided to ... oh I don't know ... leap 80+ points WShat 4:30 pm : Stocks staged a late rally that left the Dow and Nasdaq to finish at the neutral line and the S&P 500 to settle with only a fractional loss after all three had spent the session wrestling with selling pressure. Market participants applied pressure to stocks in the wake of news that analysts at Moody's downgraded the debt ratings of several countries in the eurozone periphery. They also issued negative outlooks on France, Austria, and the United Kingdom. The headline acted as a reminder of the precarious conditions that persist in the eurozone even as efforts to restore conditions in flagging Greece continue. Monthly retail sales were mixed. Overall retail sales for January were up 0.4%, but that's only half of the 0.8% increase that had been broadly expected to follow the flat rate posted for the prior month. Excluding autos, retail sales climbed by 0.7% to exceed the 0.5% increase that had been forecasted to follow a downwardly revised 0.5% decline in the prior month. Export and import price data showed too little movement for traders to consider worthy of their attention. Business inventory data for December also failed to inspire; overall inventories increased by 0.4%, which is slightly less than the 0.5% increase that had been broadly anticipated. Early losses were broad, but the stock market's slide was hardly steep. However, sellers were enticed to redouble their efforts with every failed rebound effort by the broad market. That trend took stocks to session lows late in the day, but without the command of any headline or catalyst buyers stepped in with some strong bidding once stocks stabilized narrowly beneath the depths set in the
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Post by usaone on Feb 14, 2012 18:44:22 GMT -5
Folks are buying on the dips. Bullish.
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Post by Steady As She Goes on Feb 14, 2012 20:06:42 GMT -5
In the WHAT ? ? ? ? ? ? ? It's like the end of a scary movie that leaves the door wide open for the "to be continued" ....... LOL maybe the answer will be in the sequel. I'm gonna need some
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Post by bimetalaupt on Feb 14, 2012 21:37:23 GMT -5
In the WHAT ? ? ? ? ? ? ? It's like the end of a scary movie that leaves the door wide open for the "to be continued" ....... LOL maybe the answer will be in the sequel. I'm gonna need some If we do not have a "Black Swan event" then the market will do well..No News is Good news esp. from Greek Street People and Brussels!!! Just a thought, Bruce
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2012 17:17:32 GMT -5
FTI can have my log-in info.
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Post by moon/Laura on Feb 15, 2012 17:57:01 GMT -5
that would be against the PB ToS, i believe...
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Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Feb 15, 2012 23:35:46 GMT -5
Exactly wxyz, TM is the man! FTI is close. How can they keep him banned for lies?? I don't get that. We can all prove that we never got a dime, and if Frank could move the markets, why would he be so wrong about gold so far??.... Sorry Frank, you know I think you're the man, but it does prove that you can't make the market do shit.. If you could, you would have dropped gold to $100 just to prove you know you wrong...
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Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Feb 16, 2012 22:43:52 GMT -5
That's exactly it! However, as an homage to the guy for everything I will fly the bat on all my threads... Why Not?
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Post by moon/Laura on Feb 23, 2012 16:47:04 GMT -5
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Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Feb 28, 2012 3:20:06 GMT -5
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Post by The Virginian on Feb 28, 2012 14:37:40 GMT -5
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Post by dothedd on Feb 28, 2012 15:41:05 GMT -5
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Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Feb 29, 2012 1:13:57 GMT -5
Nice one V! That's classic DOT. You do feel bad for them. However, maybe the waiter was part of this Anonymous group.. 8:30 am sharp GDP number, should set the tone for the morning anyway.
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Post by moon/Laura on Feb 29, 2012 9:22:17 GMT -5
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Post by usaone on Feb 29, 2012 9:37:15 GMT -5
Q4 GDP revised HIGHER to 3%. Fed Beige Book at 2pm today.
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Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Mar 3, 2012 1:33:04 GMT -5
GDP UP JOBS UP Housing Recovery in the making.. Dow 15K on the way!!
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Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Mar 6, 2012 1:13:37 GMT -5
You got that right wxyz! We like to keep the wings o flappin'
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