Bío Fuels our Future

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

It's the question on everyones minds. It's the talk of the town. It's an inevitability. How can China "diversify" out of their excess reserves and not not up like Japan from the 90's until now or the US in the 30's. China has printed as many RyaunMB as they have in reserves, plus they have an overbuilt real estate market.



But the real question is, and sum ppl been takin' bout this for a while. .... How long before the grand announcement of "China's" new brilliant economic plan, developed jointly with the US of course.

DEBT FOR FOOD



My guess is that within the next two years.

North Korea is rumored to be out of food by June. China's food supplies aren't in a much better situation either. Plus they have that whole inflation thing to deal with. Shampoo up 23% m-m? Yeah and they report their actual inflation numbers alright. One could argue that they have a huge military, but lets face it, they don't have the support of their nation. I would be willing to bet that every single person on this board would fight if it came right down to it. Don't think China doesn't have THAT factored into their little plan. So let's take that discussion off the table in this thread, that could be a topic somewhere else..

Anyone else think that we see something like this?

[kman]

Food for debt?

Yup. A definite reality. I'm going to start hoarding Twinkies for export. I may even stuff them with little pieces of paper containing Will Rogers quotes.

[The Virginian]

China does have vast Natural Resources where Japan had nothing. Their aging population might be their real down fall in the future.

[usaone]

We will be bailing out China in some form soon.

[tyfighter3]

Out of all of the American Presidents, China thinks that Abraham Lincoln was are Greatest President. Why? Because he went to War with the States that seceded from the Union. That;s why they wonder why we would care if they took Taiwan back into the fold. The reason why they haven't done it is because Taiwan has told them if they used force that the George Dam would glow in the dark. Food for debt is always on the table. China is gobbling up resources all over the World for a reason.

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

So it won't just be food, it will be the vast oil resources we "just" found. That we are using less of, and they will be needing so much more of, eh?

Right now I see a location problem. We have flooding in IL, and drought in TX. We have trucks, hoses, big pumps, storage, irrigation.

Farming is going to change. The more we take care of the earth the more it will take care of us. Love not War makes more. It's just science.

Eco-farming could double food output of poor countries, says UN:
www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/mar/08/eco-farming-double-food-output

www.acresusa.com/magazines/magazine.htm

www.eco-farm.org/

Let the economic evolution begin.

[tyfighter3]

Eco-farming has been around for years but has a long way to go before it is profitably here in the US. Using insects to combat other insects have been interesting to look at but even there it is to time consuming to be a real help right now. IMO. TIME is MONEY in how you Farm. Right now ,the American Farmer has the Tec and the equipment to go over Thousands of Acres in a very short time and when it's Raining everyday that Means a lot of MONEY When your Window of opportunity comes to plant or to Harvest.

[tyfighter3]

The trouble with third World Country's is the people need to be taught how to conserve their land than just abuse it the way they do now. They need to be taught How to Farm then they don't have to migrate over vast miles of ground to feed themselves and their Animals.

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

I agree, on that point, there is a way to go organic using current tech. It takes a few years, however, it can increase yields significantly. My Aunt and Uncle are loving it.

For the third world they are staring from the ground up, and there is a lot of land in Africa. I was also reading that up to 50% of grain stocks go to waste in India. There are lots of solutions, we don't need to resort to violence.

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Apr 29, 2011 22:35:26 GMT -5 tyfighter3 said:

The trouble with third World Country's is the people need to be taught how to conserve their land than just abuse it the way they do now. They need to be taught How to Farm then they don't have to migrate over vast miles of ground to feed themselves and their Animals.

Couldn't agree more. Conservation is going to be the key to everything going forward.

[tyfighter3]

Only when your Hungry for something is when violence may come into the picture. Cultures of Third World Country's is the stumbling blocks to a lot of things that would help them become better at feeding themselves. But we know that that isn't happening anytime soon so we in NA will be happy to feed them and get paid quite nicely for the trouble. Plus maybe exporting a little oil to them too.

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

But we know that that isn't happening anytime soon so we in NA will be happy to feed them and get paid quite nicely for the trouble. Plus maybe exporting a little oil to them too.

That's exactly it right there. Building up everyone so they are equal to you. It's impossible that China wont become that worlds biggest economy, they have a billion people, so do India and Africa. So China may not always be the biggest either. But if everyone is focused on economics, education, and finance; who has time for war?

[tyfighter3]

I don't want to be Equal, I want to be that Carrot dangling in front of them at all times. There is a MADNESS for my Reasoning.

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

LOL, the carrot is being number 1..

Who cares if your #1?? Canada is #9 and we are doing fine! If we all do what WE do right now, we are all going to be okay.

[tyfighter3]

The only reason Canada is #9 is because it's JUST TO COLD and snowy up there. It's bad enough where I live. LOL

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Now you know why I'm cheering for global warming!

[tyfighter3]

Here is some K for you AHB and have a good night, my wife just yelled for me, I think she wants me to dangle that carrot in front of her. LOL

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Well my friend, right back at ya, mine is going to be home from work soon, she will be hungry as well. #wink smile# Have a good one.

[bimetalaupt]

Apr 29, 2011 23:27:19 GMT -5 Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger said:

But we know that that isn't happening anytime soon so we in NA will be happy to feed them and get paid quite nicely for the trouble. Plus maybe exporting a little oil to them too.

That's exactly it right there. Building up everyone so they are equal to you. It's impossible that China wont become that worlds biggest economy, they have a billion people, so do India and Africa. So China may not always be the biggest either. But if everyone is focused on economics, education, and finance; who has time for war?

A++,
I thought it was interesting that many in the USA esp in deep South have worked hard to keep our farm land richness and productive.. I think this teacher was very gifted in the thinking of future use of land and how to keep farming in the family..This goes for others also.. Farming the same land for 1,000 years by your future family requires planning and discipline. The same can be said about John Tarleton on education for the poor farm boys.. Both did very well and the areas around the schools are some of the best Farms in the World due to education.

Just a thought,
Bruce
Abstract

His reputation as “the Peanut Man” notwithstanding, George Washington Carver was very much a part of the nascent conservation movement during the Progressive Era. from the Tuskegee Institute, he sought to persuade black farmers that altering their environmental behavior could mitigate, to some extent, the economic and political vicissitudes they faced as a result of their race. His campaign on behalf of impoverished black farmers provides an instructive case study of how one strand of Progressive conservation was undone by its failure to adequately navigate the intersection of the South's land use and social and political institutions.
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Thursday, October 13, 2005
George Washington Carver


George Washington Carver, was a leader in American resource conservation. Few people in history practiced the idea of thrift by conservation better than George Washington Carver; his philosophy was "Throw nothing away, everything can be used again." Many knew Carver as the "peanut man" because he transformed this legume into a major agricultural product, but few recognized his greater achievements. Besides the 300 products he developed from peanuts and 118 products from the sweet potato, he developed many new products from waste materials, including recycled oil, and paints and stains from clay. Throughout his life he practiced the ethic of preservation, inventing the science of ersatz, or substitutes.

Born into slavery in 1864, orphaned, then bought for the price of a horse, Carver conquered overwhelming odds to secure an education. In 1896, he became a teacher who was devoted to his students and imbued them with a sense that there is value in all things.

As a scientist, Carver adapted and transformed discarded materials into new, valuable resources, thus opening up possibilities for the development of industries that would make the lives of his fellow human beings more comfortable and secure. He investigated the use of millions of tons of cellulose and lignin that were being discarded yearly and turned these waste products into invaluable materials, such as marble, wallboards, and road cover. He preached, "Find new uses for this waste and thus enlarge the usefulness of the product for mankind."

Carver saw people all around him impoverished and in need of many things with no way to acquire them. Using soil starved of nutrients from years of cotton farming, he invented over one thousand items of food, clothing, and building material – from new food products to furniture stains. Of this era, he stated:

At no period in our history is it more important that every acre, yea, every foot of land be made to produce its highest possible yield. It is equally important that everything possible be saved for our consumption. The shortage of tin cans, glass containers, the high price of sugar as well as the containers, make it emphatic that we have some other method within the reach of the humblest citizen.

To compensate for the lack of animal waste available as fertilizer, he used two methods of fertilizing: in the fall he plowed under velvet beans, cowpeas, and grass as a green fertilizer; in the spring he plowed under, wheat, oat, and rye. Through this ingenious method, he revitalized fields once depleted of nutrients and made the soil fertile again.

One of Carver's basic beliefs was that nature "has a way of evening things out" because it creates no waste. He illustrated that the mastery of economic plant life and the maintenance of soils comes from finding useful purposes for all things. He noted that failure resulted when farmers did not seize the opportunity to convert waste materials into new resources, and proved his point by demonstrating that compost piles could be made with paper, rags, grass, weeds, street sweepings and anything else that decays quickly.

This American genius influenced botany, mycology, and many forms of agriculture with his way of transmuting waste into wealth. He loved nature passionately, understood the importance of service to human welfare, disregarded conventional pleasures, and exhibited no interest in financial reward Carver told his students:

Young people, I want to beg of you always keep your eyes open to what Mother Nature has to teach you. By so doing you will learn many valuable things every day of your life.

Carver, a black man, did not see the color of his skin as a barrier in the segregated South of a century ago. He assisted people of any race because he believed that "to bring happiness to others brings happiness to oneself." The final act of generosity from this quiet, resourceful, hard-working genius came in the form of a bequest to the Tuskegee Institute: his entire savings ($30,000), which he earmarked for the study of soil fertility and the continued creation of useful products from waste materials.

George Washington Carver was a visionaries who realized that the management of our waste should be part of the conservation of our resources.

Dr. George Washington Carver serve as a champion of conservation and invention. Carver was motivated by a deep and abiding concern for the welfare of their country and its people. It is time we follow these leaders. Much still can be learned from Dr. Carver by his profound reverence for the land.

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

That's an awesome abstract B, thanks for that! I wish I could get a hold of my Aunt and Uncles land. 2 sections 1/4 has been in my family since my Grandpa on my moms side was farming. Lots of good spots for turbines.

FOOD for DEBT....think about it....food at a soft commodity price is what they wuld pay on the open market...as opposed to us repaying in US dollars....if you were China which would you prefer?

Both! They have 1.5 Trillion more than they want in currency reserves right now. No matter what though, it will all be done in USDs

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Ah yes, here we go. They better get at it because here is the next phase of the excess reserver trap. They said they weren't going to do this. I guess we are starting to see how much control they have in this situation, eh?

Struggling to cool inflation, Beijing turns to last-ditch tool of allowing stronger yuan:
www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5jD2XHftIQyzWTb8RM-xQaz_1fkFg?docId=6702156

[tyfighter3]

I guess the US Government could buy Corn, Soybeans and Oil up HERE in the US and tell China to come and get it to offset their debt payment for the year. At least our Dollars would stay in this Country. But if you really get down to it, China has already bought up a lot of our Resources for the future.

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

That is one way. Another is to look at China's currecnies as debts. They will lose 5-10% a year on their reserves because their ONLY too left to combat inflation, which is the last part of the reserve trap that has yet to be avoided, is to let their currency rise.

That big record purchase of soybeas is just the start. People think that China moving out of their reserves is a bad thing. It isn't. In fact it is exactly what happened after WW2; the USA had all the money, and spread it everywhere. Now china has to or that thin line they walk, they will fall off if it. You can't invade another contry, when your own country wants to invade you!

[tyfighter3]

How True.

[sangria]

"All I know is what I read in the Twinkies."

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Yes..... that's right sangria. Buy more Starbucks

[Small Biz Owner]

Starbucks or Twinkies? Hard to choose ...........

[The Virginian]

We could empty our landfills and give them all their junk back instead of dollars !

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

I think we might have to get that scoreboard out again..

Sooner than I thought. Although no fan fare, which should have been expected.

Sinograin Imports U.S. Corn for the First Time:
en.21cbh.com/HTML/2011-5-17/3MMjM1XzIxMDE3MQ.html

China Grains Reserve Corp. (Sinograin), which oversees the central government’s reserves, bought one million tonnes of U.S. corn in March, indicating that rising domestic demand pressures have prompted the nation to seek overseas supplies....

.......Sinograin is the largest policy grain reserve company in China, and it has a mainly domestic focus. The shipment is the first time the company has imported U.S. corn.

China implements strict quota controls over imports of grains including corn, wheat and rice. The National Development and Reform Commission, the country’s powerful economic planner, grants 60% of the quota to state-owned companies, with private enterprises sharing the rest.

[The Virginian]