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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 9, 2012 16:31:50 GMT -5
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 9, 2012 16:34:43 GMT -5
There is a solid core of middle of the road voters who identify themselves as Republicans. Why wouldn't they consider voting for a middle of the road president like Obama. I know as a leftest I am leaning away from voting for him based on his policies.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 9, 2012 16:48:36 GMT -5
There is a solid core of middle of the road voters who identify themselves as Republicans. Why wouldn't they consider voting for a middle of the road president like Obama. I know as a leftest I am leaning away from voting for him based on his policies.
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Post by resolution on Feb 9, 2012 17:12:15 GMT -5
My biggest disappointment with Obama is his inability to negotiate compromises in the legislature. I think his lack of experience really hurt him in that area. His actual policies seem centrist to me, but he hasn't been very effective getting things passed. That threat of default due to the debt ceiling last summer was really telling.
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Post by bean29 on Feb 9, 2012 17:28:54 GMT -5
My biggest disappointment with Obama is his inability to negotiate compromises in the legislature. I think his lack of experience really hurt him in that area. His actual policies seem centrist to me, but he hasn't been very effective getting things passed. That threat of default due to the debt ceiling last summer was really telling. I pretty much agree with you Dem, but I am not sure what you are referring to by USP? Kari, I hold the Republicans responsible for that, I think they are refusing to agree with anything proposed by Obama b/c they think people hate him that much. I think the current crop of Republican Candidates all have some serious issues the average voter might take issues with. Gingrich's Ethics Violations, Lobbying for Fannie/Freddie while not listed as a lobbyist. Santorum: Wants to limit access to birth control even to married people. All the republicans apparently want us to give up access to birth control through our health insurance plans. Romney: I do not hate him, but he is not a lot different from Obama, except he is so rich I think he will favor less taxes on the ultra rich and more taxes on the upper middle class. Ron Paul: Now I like him but my DD brought up Racism concerns. She is right if I actually Ponder voting for him I will have to make a decision on this. It would be a concern for Santorum too if I actually thought I might consider voting for him.
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Post by jkapp on Feb 9, 2012 17:39:34 GMT -5
What I don't understand is why the democrats support Obama so much but reviled GWB? They are basically the same guy policy wise...the biggest difference between them is Obama's massive ego/narcissism. He can't seem to take the criticism like GWB could - pretty thin skin IMO.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 9, 2012 17:41:12 GMT -5
Supreme Court appointments have been my greatest disappointment with him. I wanted leftest ideologues to counter the far right ones already on the court. Again, the damn middle of the road.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Feb 9, 2012 17:43:06 GMT -5
What I don't understand is why the democrats support Obama so much but reviled GWB? They are basically the same guy policy wise... When Obama lies to the country in order to invade a foreign country and put the whole thing on the credit card I'll agree with you.
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Post by vandalshandle on Feb 9, 2012 18:03:50 GMT -5
i have never heard of WND, but I see by their scrolling headlines that this "independent journalist publication" also has articles that you can view revealing how hundreds of scientists lied in support of evolution, as well as the "truth" about Gore's global warming assertions. I am beginning to suspect that this is the fountain of untainted truth, according to the radical right. In reading "About WND", they maintain that they have consistently scooped other national news networks, including CNN and MSN , etc., etc., but apparently, they have not scooped Fox, whose name is conspicuously absent from the list...
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 9, 2012 18:10:48 GMT -5
... they have consistently scooped other national news networks, ... Yes, it appears they do a lot of "scooping" when one looks at what they come up with as news stories:
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Post by reasonfreedom on Feb 9, 2012 18:31:47 GMT -5
My biggest disappointment with Obama is his inability to negotiate compromises in the legislature. I think his lack of experience really hurt him in that area. His actual policies seem centrist to me, but he hasn't been very effective getting things passed. That threat of default due to the debt ceiling last summer was really telling. I pretty much agree with you Dem, but I am not sure what you are referring to by USP? Kari, I hold the Republicans responsible for that, I think they are refusing to agree with anything proposed by Obama b/c they think people hate him that much. I think the current crop of Republican Candidates all have some serious issues the average voter might take issues with. Gingrich's Ethics Violations, Lobbying for Fannie/Freddie while not listed as a lobbyist. Santorum: Wants to limit access to birth control even to married people. All the republicans apparently want us to give up access to birth control through our health insurance plans. Romney: I do not hate him, but he is not a lot different from Obama, except he is so rich I think he will favor less taxes on the ultra rich and more taxes on the upper middle class. Ron Paul: Now I like him but my DD brought up Racism concerns. She is right if I actually Ponder voting for him I will have to make a decision on this. It would be a concern for Santorum too if I actually thought I might consider voting for him. RP is not a racist and didn't make any comments, somebody wrote an article with quotes that Ron Paul never approved and was not aware of it. It is like me writing an article saying that you called the people of Michigan killers. Ron Paul has denied it thousands of times and one of RP's idols is MLK. Racist can't be libertarians it is contradictory to each belief.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 9, 2012 19:14:39 GMT -5
Supreme Court appointments have been my greatest disappointment with him. I wanted leftest ideologues to counter the far right ones already on the court. Again, the damn middle of the road. The wise Latina and the ObamaCare proponent aren't far left enough for you? If that's the case, you better watch yourself. You move another millimeter to the left, you're going to be voting for Pat Buchanan.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 9, 2012 19:15:20 GMT -5
I pretty much agree with you Dem, but I am not sure what you are referring to by USP? Kari, I hold the Republicans responsible for that, I think they are refusing to agree with anything proposed by Obama b/c they think people hate him that much. I think the current crop of Republican Candidates all have some serious issues the average voter might take issues with. Gingrich's Ethics Violations, Lobbying for Fannie/Freddie while not listed as a lobbyist. Santorum: Wants to limit access to birth control even to married people. All the republicans apparently want us to give up access to birth control through our health insurance plans. Romney: I do not hate him, but he is not a lot different from Obama, except he is so rich I think he will favor less taxes on the ultra rich and more taxes on the upper middle class. Ron Paul: Now I like him but my DD brought up Racism concerns. She is right if I actually Ponder voting for him I will have to make a decision on this. It would be a concern for Santorum too if I actually thought I might consider voting for him. RP is not a racist and didn't make any comments, somebody wrote an article with quotes that Ron Paul never approved and was not aware of it. It is like me writing an article saying that you called the people of Michigan killers. Ron Paul has denied it thousands of times and one of RP's idols is MLK. Racist can't be libertarians it is contradictory to each belief. As it turns out, that defense wasn't quite true. Ron Paul read and approved every issue personally.
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Post by kadee79 on Feb 9, 2012 19:57:26 GMT -5
Proof? ?? He denied it when it was published, however long ago that was, and is still denying it. So where is the proof that he read it & approved it?
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 9, 2012 20:07:53 GMT -5
Supreme Court appointments have been my greatest disappointment with him. I wanted leftest ideologues to counter the far right ones already on the court. Again, the damn middle of the road. The wise Latina and the ObamaCare proponent aren't far left enough for you? ... Your sense of far left isn't even close to reality. Remember this one? You started a thread on it. The Supreme Court has sided unanimously with a church sued for firing an employee on religious grounds, issuing an opinion on Wednesday that religious employers can keep the government out of hiring and firing decisions.
In the case of Hosanna-Tabor v. EEOC, Cheryl Perich, a "called" teacher, argued that the Hosanna-Tabor Evangelical Lutheran Church and School of Redford, Mich., had discriminated against her under the Americans With Disabilities Act by refusing to reinstate her to her job after she took leave for narcolepsy.
Read more: www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/01/11/supreme-court-sides-with-church-on-decision-to-fire-employee-on-religious/?intcmp=related#ixzz1lwFrXz4Q Also Single Payer would have been left reform, ObamaCare is middle of the road reform.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Feb 9, 2012 20:11:29 GMT -5
Socialized medicine is far to the left.
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 9, 2012 20:12:54 GMT -5
Socialized medicine is far to the left. I agree but we are talking about ObamaCare which is far right of socialized medicine.
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Post by handyman2 on Feb 9, 2012 20:15:31 GMT -5
Obama may have won some repubs. But he has lost some democrats I know as well. Mostly business people that I deal with.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 9, 2012 21:58:24 GMT -5
There is a solid core of middle of the road voters who identify themselves as Republicans. Why wouldn't they consider voting for a middle of the road president like Obama. I know as a leftest I am leaning away from voting for him based on his policies. the fact that this seems funny to you is disturbing.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 9, 2012 21:59:45 GMT -5
i have never heard of WND yfk. it makes the Washington Times seem left wing.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 9, 2012 22:03:17 GMT -5
Socialized medicine is far to the left. agreed. but nobody was suggesting socializing medicine, only the funding mechanism for it, which is actually a relatively modest thing to do. insurance is not effective if it is not collectivized. the larger the pool, the cheaper it gets. it is common sense and good capitalism to "socialize" it, imo. it maximizes purchasing power, and brings cost benefits from doing so.
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Post by Mkitty is pro kitty on Feb 9, 2012 23:04:47 GMT -5
Well if they're the same, where A=B, then it necessarily follows that B=A, and one puts a couple of moments of thought (far too much than that argument deserves), then one would wonder why the Republicans support Bush so much, but reviled Obama? It's a shining example of hypocrisy and a lack of self reflection, but I've seen hundreds of those, so I don't need another example or reminder, thanks.
Bla bla bla, the old 1-2 Obama=Bush, then give up some made-up way of how Obama is worse.
For future reference, just use this line to what is "left" and "right"
Everything else in the universe-------------------------------------------------------IRR*-PBP-Genghis Khan
*IRR = Idealized Ronald Reagan, not the actual Ronald Reagan, who raised taxes, passed the Brady Bill, gave amnesty to illegals, etc.
Also, the line is not to scale: a computer screen can only be so long.
So yes, Obama, Obama's plans, quasars, kittens, and pancreases are far left.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2012 8:35:20 GMT -5
Well if they're the same, where A=B, then it necessarily follows that B=A, and one puts a couple of moments of thought (far too much than that argument deserves), then one would wonder why the Republicans support Bush so much, but reviled Obama? It's a shining example of hypocrisy and a lack of self reflection, but I've seen hundreds of those, so I don't need another example or reminder, thanks. Bla bla bla, the old 1-2 Obama=Bush, then give up some made-up way of how Obama is worse. For future reference, just use this line to what is "left" and "right" Everything else in the universe-------------------------------------------------------IRR*-PBP-Genghis Khan *IRR = Idealized Ronald Reagan, not the actual Ronald Reagan, who raised taxes, passed the Brady Bill, gave amnesty to illegals, etc. Also, the line is not to scale: a computer screen can only be so long. So yes, Obama, Obama's plans, quasars, kittens, and pancreases are far left. So according to your line example "Everything else in the universe" should be on the left? Why am I not surprised. You forgot some blah,blah about greedy Ceo's. You're slipping.
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Post by jkapp on Feb 10, 2012 9:00:09 GMT -5
The wise Latina and the ObamaCare proponent aren't far left enough for you? ... Your sense of far left isn't even close to reality. Remember this one? You started a thread on it. The Supreme Court has sided unanimously with a church sued for firing an employee on religious grounds, issuing an opinion on Wednesday that religious employers can keep the government out of hiring and firing decisions.
In the case of Hosanna-Tabor v. EEOC, Cheryl Perich, a "called" teacher, argued that the Hosanna-Tabor Evangelical Lutheran Church and School of Redford, Mich., had discriminated against her under the Americans With Disabilities Act by refusing to reinstate her to her job after she took leave for narcolepsy.
Read more: www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/01/11/supreme-court-sides-with-church-on-decision-to-fire-employee-on-religious/?intcmp=related#ixzz1lwFrXz4Q Also Single Payer would have been left reform, ObamaCare is middle of the road reform. No it isn't...NCLB was middle of the road reform, Obamacare was purely leftist/democrat reform. you have to have the two sides actually participating in the idea for it to be middle of the road IMO.
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Post by jkapp on Feb 10, 2012 9:01:46 GMT -5
Socialized medicine is far to the left. agreed. but nobody was suggesting socializing medicine, only the funding mechanism for it, which is actually a relatively modest thing to do. insurance is not effective if it is not collectivized. the larger the pool, the cheaper it gets. it is common sense and good capitalism to "socialize" it, imo. it maximizes purchasing power, and brings cost benefits from doing so. In private business circles, I agree with you...but this is government we're talking about here. NOTHING government does brings any type of cost benefits.
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Post by jkapp on Feb 10, 2012 9:25:14 GMT -5
What you are calling "Obamacare" is a plan that is to the right of a plan that the GOP proposed during the Nixon administration. And it was a plan drawn up purely by democrats and liberals...
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Post by jkapp on Feb 10, 2012 10:03:33 GMT -5
And it was a plan drawn up purely by democrats and liberals... It was not. It was devised by the GOP as a market based alternative to a plan being advanced by Senator Edward Kennedy at the time. Hint- Kennedy was the liberal. The GOP were the conservatives. No, I meant Obamacare was drawn up entirely by democrats/liberals. It is not a middle of the road plan.
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Post by reasonfreedom on Feb 10, 2012 11:15:21 GMT -5
Proof? ?? He denied it when it was published, however long ago that was, and is still denying it. So where is the proof that he read it & approved it? He doesn't have proof, we all know that Palm can rarely backup his statements with facts.
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Post by bean29 on Feb 10, 2012 11:41:21 GMT -5
I pretty much agree with you Dem, but I am not sure what you are referring to by USP? Kari, I hold the Republicans responsible for that, I think they are refusing to agree with anything proposed by Obama b/c they think people hate him that much. I think the current crop of Republican Candidates all have some serious issues the average voter might take issues with. Gingrich's Ethics Violations, Lobbying for Fannie/Freddie while not listed as a lobbyist. Santorum: Wants to limit access to birth control even to married people. All the republicans apparently want us to give up access to birth control through our health insurance plans. Romney: I do not hate him, but he is not a lot different from Obama, except he is so rich I think he will favor less taxes on the ultra rich and more taxes on the upper middle class. Ron Paul: Now I like him but my DD brought up Racism concerns. She is right if I actually Ponder voting for him I will have to make a decision on this. It would be a concern for Santorum too if I actually thought I might consider voting for him. RP is not a racist and didn't make any comments, somebody wrote an article with quotes that Ron Paul never approved and was not aware of it. It is like me writing an article saying that you called the people of Michigan killers. Ron Paul has denied it thousands of times and one of RP's idols is MLK. Racist can't be libertarians it is contradictory to each belief. Thanks RF: I did tell DD at the time that it did not make sense that he would be racist b/c his policies are pretty much colorblind.
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Post by reasonfreedom on Feb 10, 2012 11:51:07 GMT -5
RP is not a racist and didn't make any comments, somebody wrote an article with quotes that Ron Paul never approved and was not aware of it. It is like me writing an article saying that you called the people of Michigan killers. Ron Paul has denied it thousands of times and one of RP's idols is MLK. Racist can't be libertarians it is contradictory to each belief. Thanks RF: I did tell DD at the time that it did not make sense that he would be racist b/c his policies are pretty much colorblind. Np, I was part of the grassroots campaign for him in 2008 and this is the only subject that any other candidate or media outlet could come up with to attack him. They found it didn't work so they tried to exclude him from the media and call him crazy(with poor examples I might add like ending the war lol). You might want to check out Gary Johnson also if you like RP's ideals\polices.
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