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Post by Value Buy on Feb 9, 2012 10:27:50 GMT -5
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Post by Value Buy on Feb 9, 2012 10:38:53 GMT -5
Should USA "militarize the Syria situation? NO!  I saw an amature Syrian video on TV last night, and the Syrian man speaking on it was describing the considerable death and destruction being visited by government bombardment. Then he asked "Where are the Americans?" It was a sad video to watch, given the human suffering. I did find it curious though that people that are usually burning American flags are now asking for our help, and even admonishing us fornot giving it. It ain't our fight! As much as I dislike the UN and how we can be held accountable to their decisions, I believe this is what the UN was developed for. This is a UN problem, and we should not be the country that brings it to the UN for a vote, due to our poor political relations in the region. Unfortunately with the charter members having veto power, Russia would stop it in it's track from stopping the slaughter. This is a regional issue and up to Syria's neighbors to put the political pressure on, and do something about it. |
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Feb 9, 2012 10:41:20 GMT -5
Should USA "militarize the Syria situation? NO! I saw an amature Syrian video on TV last night, and the Syrian man speaking on it was describing the considerable death and destruction being visited by government bombardment. Then he asked "Where are the Americans?" It was a sad video to watch, given the human suffering. I did find it curious though that people that are usually burning American flags are now asking for our help, and even admonishing us fornot giving it. It ain't our fight!  |
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Post by handyman2 on Feb 9, 2012 10:44:34 GMT -5
You are right value buy. The sanctions are already having an effect. Syrian Leadership will soon collapse I hope. But the squeeze is on. Russia is now telling Syria to get it togather I read in a world news report.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 9, 2012 10:46:26 GMT -5
ABSO-FUCKING-LUTELY NOT
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Post by reasonfreedom on Feb 9, 2012 11:02:11 GMT -5
I agree with dem, we don't want to be know as International arms dealers. We know how that whole fast and furious deal came out(no matter who started it), that was not good at all. The Regan Iran contra deal, not so great either. I don't think there is anyway Obama will approve this unless he wants to the lose the next election.
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Post by formerroomate99 on Feb 9, 2012 12:53:26 GMT -5
If we get involved in this mess, every single thing that goes wrong will be blamed on us. Getting involved is a 'no win' situation. Syria does not have a homogenous population. Once Assad is gone, they will start killing each other, just like the Iraqis did, and everybody will blame us for it. No thanks.
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Post by workpublic on Feb 9, 2012 13:11:31 GMT -5
syria is in the BRIC nations sphere of influence.
russia will handle it.
if any American corporations have "interests" let them deal with them on their own.
there is no need for us to get involved.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 9, 2012 14:08:00 GMT -5
Let them kill each other. Less to kill us.
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Post by ameiko on Feb 10, 2012 18:30:03 GMT -5
Should USA "militarize the Syria situation? NO! I saw an amature Syrian video on TV last night, and the Syrian man speaking on it was describing the considerable death and destruction being visited by government bombardment. Then he asked "Where are the Americans?" It was a sad video to watch, given the human suffering. I did find it curious though that people that are usually burning American flags are now asking for our help, and even admonishing us fornot giving it. It ain't our fight! Gotta love it: we get demonized in one breath for intefering and then people are wondering why we are not interfering??!?! You can not bring democracy or civilization to savages. The best thing we can do is just develop our own resources so we can turn our backs on the world as much as possible, with the warning that we will revist five times (at least) any wrong done to us and we will NOT rebuild! People mislearned the lessons of WWI IMHO: they think that we always have to rebuild someone now but that isn't true. You might get a benefit from showing mercy to a nation that is otherwise on your level and shares at least some values in common. You might be able to create a democracy in an educated and otherwise civilized society, especially if they have some history of democracy. But the Middle East and surrounding areas are still caught in a tribal mentality and middle ages brutality and to think we can raise them to our level is just stupid. Let Syria fall: it's not our fight. If they support terrorist and they hit us, turn their capital to glass and let that stand as a momument to our power. You know, this must be the most harmonious thread EVER! We ALL AGREE!!! AMAZING!!! |
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 10, 2012 18:54:33 GMT -5
... But the Middle East and surrounding areas are still caught in a tribal mentality and middle ages brutality and to think we can raise them to our level is just stupid. Let Syria fall: it's not our fight. If they support terrorist and they hit us, turn their capital to glass and let that stand as a momument to our power. ... "tribal mentality" - "our power" "middle ages brutality" - "turn their capital to glass" "them" - "our level" Hmmm. |
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Post by ameiko on Feb 10, 2012 19:10:04 GMT -5
... But the Middle East and surrounding areas are still caught in a tribal mentality and middle ages brutality and to think we can raise them to our level is just stupid. Let Syria fall: it's not our fight. If they support terrorist and they hit us, turn their capital to glass and let that stand as a momument to our power. ... "tribal mentality" - "our power" "middle ages brutality" - "turn their capital to glass" "them" - "our level" Hmmm. Man, you just had to go and ruin it, didn't ya? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2012 19:26:36 GMT -5
On Feb. 4, Russia and China vetoed a U.N. Security Council resolution - drawn up by the Arab League, not the Western nations the two states so resent - calling for an end to the carnage and urging Assad to step down. The vote was 13-2 - on the bloodiest day since the uprising began. Syrian troops massacred more than 200 people.
Read more: www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/02/10/INO91N44KN.DTL#ixzz1m1p83UzP
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 10, 2012 19:28:24 GMT -5
"tribal mentality" - "our power" "middle ages brutality" - "turn their capital to glass" "them" - "our level" Hmmm. Man, you just had to go and ruin it, didn't ya? Yes. |
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Post by EVT1 on Feb 10, 2012 20:35:26 GMT -5
... But the Middle East and surrounding areas are still caught in a tribal mentality and middle ages brutality and to think we can raise them to our level is just stupid. Let Syria fall: it's not our fight. If they support terrorist and they hit us, turn their capital to glass and let that stand as a momument to our power. ... "tribal mentality" - "our power" "middle ages brutality" - "turn their capital to glass" "them" - "our level" Hmmm. That was my thought. 'Savages'? |
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Post by dumdeedoe on Feb 10, 2012 20:49:30 GMT -5
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 10, 2012 23:17:43 GMT -5
"tribal mentality" - "our power" "middle ages brutality" - "turn their capital to glass" "them" - "our level" Hmmm. That was my thought. 'Savages'? Total blindness. It would be funny if it weren't so sad. |
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Post by Value Buy on Feb 10, 2012 23:21:33 GMT -5
Maybe the Arab League could ask Israel to intervene on their behalf.  |
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Post by dumdeedoe on Feb 10, 2012 23:24:48 GMT -5
Be careful,, at one time the Romans thought the Germans to be savages,,,now they run the whole EU............
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Post by EVT1 on Feb 11, 2012 1:30:34 GMT -5
That was my thought. 'Savages'? Total blindness. It would be funny if it weren't so sad. Step one is to dehumanize the 'enemy'. This is just groundwork for the next war. No doubt the conservatives will be on board- Ron Paul is dead on about this. The rattling of the sabers has begun. |
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Post by ameiko on Feb 11, 2012 14:02:15 GMT -5
That was my thought. 'Savages'? Total blindness. It would be funny if it weren't so sad. Comparing the Western civilizations to the barbarians in Muslim heavy nations if what I find funny in a sad way. We are perfectly happy to let other people do their own thing or offer them aid that they are free to take. These people show a high deal of agression, tyranny, and repression which they are either too happy to export or shelter people (as Afghanistan did for Al Queda). When you are attacked by savages, you respond such that people think you are the wrath of God; they have already turned aside the olive branch you offer or stab you in the back after aiding them (as Afghanistan did after we helped supply and train them to resist the Soviets). If friendship is rejected and violence offeeed, they will only respect violence in return that is both strong and assured (many thought the US only a paper tiger after Somalia). I and many other americans would he happy to let other nations go their own way but the minute they break that peace, then we must strike back such that others will know not to repeat what the offender did. Speak softly and carry a big stick, offer the hand of friendship but have the fist of retribution ready if attacked. Pretty simple, really and far more civilized that the savages in these other countries who won't be happy until they control and convert everyone to their ways. |
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 11, 2012 14:04:39 GMT -5
... We are perfectly happy to let other people do their own thing or offer them aid that they are free to take. ... A review of history would show otherwise. |
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Post by ameiko on Feb 11, 2012 14:05:53 GMT -5
Be careful,, at one time the Romans thought the Germans to be savages,,,now they run the whole EU............ Germany isn't a bunch of tribes anymore like they were almost 1700 years ago. Too bad that the Muslim nations won't also grow up; they are still fixated on the crusades from over 800 years ago. Sad really, how the Middle East was once so vibrant and featured many centers of learning yet now they are reliant on the West for all of their technology, even the means by which to get their only real treasure, oil, out of the ground. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2012 16:01:22 GMT -5
First off, no matter what we do we will be in the wrong according to somebody over there. As I remember it during sanctions on someone over there Syria was ignoring the sanctions & trading with them. Then there's the fact that Syria isn't attacking anyone or being attacked by anyone other than their own people. We don't even buy much (if any) oil from there.
So....we really don't have a national interest there. As for us supporting a new "democracy", total bullshit to lose American lives on keeping any democracy but our own. I would support a war for that. The only thing that I would do to help Syria is to drop guns & ammo to both sides. Maybe they can kill themselves.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2012 16:06:01 GMT -5
I don't agree. We should always be on the side of freedom, as messy as that might be. Arm the freedom fighters, and good luck to them. |
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Post by billisonboard on Feb 11, 2012 16:12:36 GMT -5
I don't agree. We should always be on the side of freedom, as messy as that might be. Arm the freedom fighters, and good luck to them. Are you certain we can identify "the freedom fighters" or are we just going to arm anyone who isn't supporting the status quo and hope that if they win they will be for "freedom"? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2012 20:08:59 GMT -5
I don't agree. We should always be on the side of freedom, as messy as that might be.
Arm the freedom fighters, and good luck to them.
We have done that exact same thing in the past. Look where it got us. We are hated all over the world for doing stuff just like that (how would you feel if people from other countries tried to get in on a civil war here?). Oh & those freedom fighters...once they kill off their enemy & take control they become dictators. That's how Sodom Husein got help from us. He was our buddy (right up until he got control).
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