Are we in a Recovery, or falling off a cliff?

[midwesterner (banned)]

Ok, let's have it once and for all. There has been much talk about economic recovery, or getting worse. Let's lay it all on the table now. Here's the point of this post.

State 10 Reasons you see an economic recovery, or 10 reasons you see the economic situation getting worse. If you are undecided then state why you are undecided or on the fence. I'm looking for some substance, facts, figures, graphs, charts, articles, reports, and some opinion, but limited opinion, more solid statements.

I hoping to state some discussion on this matter, and some understanding from both sides on the situation we are in. Please let's keep it clean, and state you case.

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[Deleted]

You do not have enough choices....

Not everything is a simple yes or no

But yes the economy is SLOWLY recovering...i see unemployment down to 8.2% by end of year

There are still serious problems....debt being one for states, local, and federal

There will be some areas that will NOT see any recovery for 2-3 years if at all...detroit comes to mind

I will not vote...i do not like your limited choices

[midwesterner (banned)]

You do not have enough choices....

Not everything is a simple yes or no

But yes the economy is SLOWLY recovering...i see unemployment down to 8.2% by end of year

There are still serious problems....debt being one for states, local, and federal

There will be some areas that will NOT see any recovery for 2-3 years if at all...detroit comes to mind

I will not vote...i do not like your limited choices

Please don't post here if you can't answer the poll or questions. There is a middle choice that you could have posted on, and explain you point. That's what it's for.

[Deleted]

I answered the question...my way...not yours

IT IS NOT YOUR BOARD...you do not get to make the rules on who can or cant post and to what thread....

You dont like my answer...fine....you dont have to

[midwesterner (banned)]

I answered the question...my way...not yours

IT IS NOT YOUR BOARD...you do not get to make the rules on who can or cant post and to what thread....

You dont like my answer...fine....you dont have to

Sure thing, now we know you haven't a clue. Thanks for stating the obvious.

[Deleted]

Quid pro quo

And we know you are a conspiracy loving, live in mommy's basement, internet geek who probably doesnt have two red nickels to rub together

ok...so now what....

[midwesterner (banned)]

Quid pro quo

And we know you are a conspiracy loving, live in mommy's basement, internet geek who probably doesnt have two red nickels to rub together

ok...so now what....

LOL, did I strike a nerve there, LOL. You just stated your position by not stating it. If it was so easy for you, then be my guest. But your full of it, and don't know what your talking about. You have financial statement and accounting knowledge. Important for individual company, economically you can't see the picture. I don't give a darn how good a companies balance sheets or income statement is if economic indicators show trouble ahead. Is the company one semi sheltered from the risk of inflation, economic stagnation?

You've little assessment of me was pretty funny, shows how much you know about me, LOL. You boys really do assume much, but can't put your money where you mouth is. I've layed out some threads with polls you can lay it on the line and show your cards. You boys talk a big talk, time to advertise your skills at predicting a market. Show your economic skills in predicting this market. Show us how you know gold is a bubble.

You all talk so much smack, I'm calling you on it. Lay it out and lets see if you can answer the questions. If it's going up, then show us, let us see what you see. Time to saddle up!!!!

[Deleted]

Answers....

1. slow growth 2.8-3.2% for 2011
2. Unemployment number dropping to 8.2% by eoy
3. Dow @ 12875 i believe is my prediction in another thread
4. Gold & silver prices at eoy ? but my guess is 1150/23 or lower (not my area of expertise...never said it was)
5. Dollar will still be a dollar...no NWO new currency...
6. Inflation by eoy at 3.5% and rates will be RISING

My predictions....in writing....and i expect 2012 to be much better than 2011

[vl]

My answers...
1. growth won't matter because business is detached from the public's economy.
2. Unemployment will actually rise to 12%.
3. Dow's existence will be challenged.
4. Gold/Silver through the roof as more people see no hope or recovery progress.
5. The US Dollar won't matter because too much is hoarded and unable to impact the public's economy.
6. Inflation is already surpassing the public's stability factor. We will see high prices and stagnant/ruined inventory because of it.

2012... without a major in-road in reining in big bogus business & Law Biz in 2011... we'll be out of control by New Year's Day.

[Deleted]

Mid

btw...where are YOUR predictions to those above

[midwesterner (banned)]

Mid

btw...where are YOUR predictions to those above

Hey whatever your name is supposed to be, I've posted daily on my predictions, and you know that. I will in time, but waiting for the rest of the pumpers to post their two cents. If we are going to play a game, I'm not playing alone.

[Deleted]

yeah

good luck with that....your poll is smoking here.....to many hits and responses to count

cya

[bimetalaupt]

RECOVERY AT A PRICE OF MORE INFLATING PRICES AT THE BASIC NEEDS ..FOOD, FUEL AND ENERGY STEAM COAL..BUT THIS IS ABOUT RECOVERY

1: OIL PATCH IS GOING WELL BUT THE Fort Worth area is drilling for natural gas with the newest systems are making huge wells.. Lot of income and growth in clean energy.. We see CNG in NY taxi's fleets
2: Farming income is up 100% from 2009!!! Great for Deere and the local bank!!!
3:Retail is making some headway over the Internet...
4 : China is going to buy billions from the USA.. Like they promised Nixon!!
5: Texas wine sales are up 18% from 2009. Great Year for Merlot!!! good for your heart
6: SS checks will be helping more Baby Boomer's as retirement increases but we should see increase in profits from stocks and more dividends from XOM and COP...
7: All the higher education will improve our Tech and Investment sectors... Bet on banking needing to lend that 3.6% in M2 to make more money.. Banks will need more then Tier1 to improve.
8: the very high skilled members of the Army and Air Force will super charge the economy with dynamic leadership..
9: The USA is the world leader in high tech productivity... the Navy is teaching Nuclear Operation of standard Power plants like the next generation systems on the Ford.. Bechtel is leading the way to standards...high standards with Duke Energy,
10 We are seeing a slow but steady increase in V2.. velocity of money and bank stock are up.. That is a positive sign!!! WE NEED MORE SAVERS.. Baby-boomers will have to change there habits or work until then are 70.5 years old.. that is about the same age to retire vs life expectancy as it was in 1935 when SS first started.

Math model shows a surprise of 3.6% total growth for 2011.. Stocks should rock and Frank the Investor will be rich... The problem child will be the European Union and the PIIGS!!! no faith in the last Bank Stress Test.. BAnks need about 250-750 billion EURO infusion of Tier1 Capital total in the EU. We will need some more in the USA but we have 7 years to do it. BUT our bank stock prices are stronger then the EU.

[usaone]

Great post Bimetal...slow steady recovery.

[texasredneck]

The housing market in Texas is getting worse, hopefully it will improve in the spring. If it does not there will be no lasting improvement in the economy. The government can massage the numbers all they like and it will not help. Most people own homes not stock, gold or silver. Destroy the value of their home and they destroy the economy.

[bimetalaupt]

WXYZ,
We were just back from Odessa and last week from Fort Worth.. Prices look stronger to me.. Austin also looks strong.. What part of Texas looks that bad to make down for the Growth we are seeing

Bi Metal Au Pt

[ihearyou2]

Blah blah blah blah, does it make a difference to the OP, no just another launching pad for his sorry agenda. Does he have a job?

[decoy409]

Yes, I have to agree. Texas is doing great!

Quote: Wow: Texas Deficit Estimate Comes In Worse Than The Worst Expectations
Read more: www.businessinsider.com/texas-budget-shortfall-2011-1#ixzz1BhRJE7if

[texasredneck]

Real estate sales from Plano north to the Red River have turned worse the past 3 or 4 months.

[frankq]

gdgyva,

Mid is going to play it safe and post his predictions in December.....

[frankq]

ihearyou2,

Hmmmm.....According to a recent poll, it was leaning toward "no job" but the poll got cut short.

[midwesterner (banned)]

Hey Q-tip, might try cleaning some of that earwax out of your ears, you might learn something. All the while I just thought you to be deaf, sorry there pal.

It's a good thing your not blind cause that would make 3 out of 3 for ya. ;D

Here ya go friend:

[kman]

Jan 21, 2011 18:13:57 GMT -5 frankq said:

ihearyou2,

Hmmmm.....According to a recent poll, it was leaning toward "no job" but the poll got cut short.

Trust fund baby...gated community. Next to Alex Jones

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

I voted

[Tesla_DC-meme]

If we are going to play a game, I'm not playing alone.

Game?
What is the score?

[domeasingold]

No Comment!

[jarhead1976]

1) Almost all States have high unemployment for next 4-5 years 2) Housing is still in trouble in most states 3) The trade deficit is to large 4) prices remain high wages low! 6) public service and pension cuts. 7) Global financial trouble. 8) Corruption 9) War 10) Welfare and entitlements all up! Source ..The news

[decoy409]

jarhead, Good Morning to You!

Why you summed up that neatly!

Quote, jarhead: 1) Almost all States have high unemployment for next 4-5 years 2) Housing is still in trouble in most states 3) The trade deficit is to large 4) prices remain high wages low! 6) public service and pension cuts. 7) Global financial trouble. 8) Corruption 9) War 10) Welfare and entitlements all up! Source ..The news

Read more: notmsnmoney.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=moneytalk&action=display&thread=1974#ixzz1BmeR3OmO

[vl]

Be careful with words. We are likely in a recovery because after any disaster, some form of re-stabilization occurs. That said, a scab, scar, infection, cancer or immobility can come along with it.
The primary issue we all face with THIS debacle is-- that some people with the wherewithal to challenge Fate are stalling any sort of recovery to mobility because they refuse to lose what they gained, posses or cling to from the pre-debacle prosperity. All this does is increase the chances that MORE will be lost as a result of delayed re-stabilization.
You can plainly see the areas where dreamers are clinging to old perceptions instead of modifying based on remaining attributes. Simply put, I'd rather have broad loss quickly and an immediate shift to re-stabilization, than this prolonged period. Recovery will take far longer as long as we allow dreamers to hold up the future for material reasons.
That said-- why certainly ARE NOT headed for more technology-reliance or a service-based economic future. If your hands are soft, you future will cost- you a lot.

[decoy409]

We done fell off the cliff long ago as WILLIAM BLACK explained. Know it is up for PUMPERS to keep the Game roling that ended.