Libs upset over mention of Jesus

[ugonow]

It is the goal of all religions,not just Christians, to convert others. If we can get all jews and muslims to accept Jesus as our saviour,the world would be a much better place. We must be the ones converting them,not the other way around.

[jkapp]

Jan 19, 2011 11:48:52 GMT -5 Angel! said:

I don't think anyone is upset at the mention of Jesus. Saying anyone who does not follow Jesus is not his brother or sister & needs to be saved is what went too far.

He went from "I am religious & believe in Jesus" to " My religion is right & everyone who doesn't agree is wrong". The first statement is ok, believe whatever you want. The second statement is inappropriate because you are judging others for what they believe.

Replace that statement with one about a politician's stance on abortion, man-made global warming, illegal immigration, taxes, welfare, and any other political hot topic and it's no different. So why the hullaballou about this one politician's statement???

[rockon]

Or replace his statement with what our Republican and Democrat brothers and sisters tell each other or how they lie about each other and this seems pretty small and petty. If I remember right our highest ranking elected official used the terms "public enemy " and "hostage takers" to describe his brothers and sisters who opposed his point of view.

[floridayankee]

Jan 19, 2011 13:06:24 GMT -5 @ed1066 said:

Contrast that with the fundamentalist global warmers, for example, who take every opportunity to tell people they will be incinerated in a fiery hell on earth ...

Not me. Being in FL, they ask how long I can tread water....as if I'm chained to the state in some way.

[floridayankee]

Jan 19, 2011 13:11:38 GMT -5 ugonow said:

It is the goal of all religions,not just Christians, to convert others.

No kidding. I live around the corner from a Jehovah's Witness church and I get them knocking on my door a couple times per month. One of these days I'm gong to get up the nerve to answer the door nekid.

[Angel!]

Jan 19, 2011 13:06:24 GMT -5 @ed1066 said:

How is that condemning of anyone? He's saying he wants to share his religious experience with everyone, that's all.

No, he isn't just sharing his religious experience. He is saying that if you don't follow his religious views, then you are not "his brother or his sister" implying that he doesn't believe those people are as good or as worthy as those who share his beliefs. That is a judgement on people with different religious views.

[rockon]

So if Obama called his opposition who don't have his views "public enemies" and "hostage takers" is he sharing an opinion or implying judgment on them or implying that they are not as good or worthy as him?

[Angel!]

Jan 19, 2011 13:12:42 GMT -5 jkapp said:

Replace that statement with one about a politician's stance on abortion, man-made global warming, illegal immigration, taxes, welfare, and any other political hot topic and it's no different. So why the hullaballou about this one politician's statement???

Because it isn't a statement on your views regarding taxes or immigration, it is much deeper than that. Personally I find it more comparable to saying "Anybody here today who is not white, I'm telling you, you're not my brother and you're not my sister"

A lot of people view their religion as part of them, not something they just choose to believe or a viewpoint they have & his statement can easily be taken as insulting to those with different religious views.

[Tennesseer]

Jan 19, 2011 13:11:24 GMT -5 handyman2 said:

As an old southerner and church goer I understand what he meant to say but said it badly. By the way if you ever go to some southern Baptist or Penticostial church you will at one point hear the question (Have you been saved and joined us as a brother or sister in christ)? If you ever get baptized or saved in one of the churches the first thing you will hear the preacher say Praise God this person now has joined us as a brother or sister in Gods kingdom. This whole thing is much ado about nothing to a born, bred and raised in the south guy.

I find it occasionally funny but often times anoying here in Memphis when a holier than thou Southern Baptist will tell a Roman Catholic they are not Christian.

[steff]

Wow, did I wake up and find that the US turned into a theocracy overnight? When do the Holy Wars start?

[rockon]

While I would not condone his words personally. I think some have become so Jesusphobic that they do not see the same affect of words in other venues.

[Angel!]

Jan 19, 2011 13:44:31 GMT -5 rockon said:

So if Obama called his opposition who don't have his views "public enemies" and "hostage takers" is he sharing an opinion or implying judgment on them or implying that they are not as good or worthy as him?

Not really the same thing. Suppose Obama said that "If you are not muslim, I'm telling you, you're not my brother and you're not my sister" Would that be ok?

[ed1066]

I find it occasionally funny but often times anoying here in Memphis when a holier than thou Southern Baptist will tell a Roman Catholic they are not Christian.

Good thing the Christian bible doesn't tell the Baptist to kill the Catholic like the Koran does...

[Tennesseer]

Jan 19, 2011 13:38:07 GMT -5 floridayankee said:

Jan 19, 2011 13:11:38 GMT -5 ugonow said:

It is the goal of all religions,not just Christians, to convert others.

No kidding. I live around the corner from a Jehovah's Witness church and I get them knocking on my door a couple times per month. One of these days I'm gong to get up the nerve to answer the door nekid.

As they hand you a Watch Tower pamphlet, exchange the courtesy and hand them a copy of Voodoo Monthly magazine.

[Deleted]

One of these days I'm gong to get up the nerve to answer the door nekid.



I was in a cami and sweats one day... i thought, what the heck...

[Deleted]

Why are some of you putting words in his mouth that he did not say?? And making assumptions about what he meant by what he did say?? He could have said it better, but he did say he wants to be everyone's brother. He did NOT say-- if you are not my brother in Christ you are lesser than I am, you need to convert, or I will not treat you as well as my brothers and sisters in Christ.
The people spoke and elected a Christian Gov. If the majority are so horrified, which I am sure they are not, let them elect a Muslim next time and quote HIM all over the news when he says whatever Muslims say in mosque to any non Muslims that may be stopping in to visit.....
I always laugh at the venom against Christians by people that want a mosque built at ground zero, but claim to reject all religion.

[Tennesseer]

Jan 19, 2011 13:49:25 GMT -5 @ed1066 said:

I find it occasionally funny but often times anoying here in Memphis when a holier than thou Southern Baptist will tell a Roman Catholic they are not Christian.

Good thing the Christian bible doesn't tell the Baptist to kill the Catholic like the Koran does...

So absolutely nothing from the Old Testament is to be believed as the word of God by Christians and is simply the word of common men. Good to know.

[billisonboard]

Jan 19, 2011 13:46:44 GMT -5 steff said:

When do the Holy Wars start?

Last Thursday. Didn't you get the memo.

[rockon]

Angel, I already expressed my opinion that I would not condone the words personally. So no I would not condone them being said by Obama but neither do I condone his choice of words. Only pointing out the hypocrisy of defending one and not the other.

[Tennesseer]

I always laugh at the venom against Christians by people that want a mosque built at ground zero, but claim to reject all religion.

Sounds to me those you disagree with believe all religions are equal in nature even though they might not believe in any religion.

[billisonboard]

Jan 19, 2011 13:11:38 GMT -5 ugonow said:

It is the goal of all religions,not just Christians, to convert others. If we can get all jews and muslims to accept Jesus as our saviour,the world would be a much better place. We must be the ones converting them,not the other way around.

And if we could get everyone to convert to Bokononism it would be even better.

[steff]

I only worship His Holy Noodleness.... FSM! Pastafarians unite!

[Tennesseer]

Jan 19, 2011 13:11:38 GMT -5 ugonow said:

It is the goal of all religions,not just Christians, to convert others. If we can get all jews and muslims to accept Jesus as our saviour,the world would be a much better place. We must be the ones converting them,not the other way around.

And let the religious wars begin.

[Deleted]

R'amen

[billisonboard]

Jan 19, 2011 14:13:09 GMT -5 steff said:

I only worship His Holy Noodleness.... FSM! Pastafarians unite!

That isn't what you posted on the Adults Only Board

[Angel!]

Jan 19, 2011 13:58:06 GMT -5 rockon said:

Angel, I already expressed my opinion that I would not condone the words personally. So no I would not condone them being said by Obama but neither do I condone his choice of words. Only pointing out the hypocrisy of defending one and not the other.

I am not trying to defend Obama's word choices, just saying they aren't comparable in this situation. Now, if he called out to everyone to become his Muslim brothers & sisters, that would be comparable. I'm sure all those that see no big deal with what the gov. did, would also have no problem with a muslim public official making a similar statement.

Good thing the Christian bible doesn't tell the Baptist to kill the Catholic like the Koran does...

Yeah, good thing the bible doesn't tell us to kill adulterers, stone those that curse god, or that punishments should be an "eye for eye, tooth for tooth"

[Tennesseer]

Yeah, good thing the bible doesn't tell us to kill adulterers, stone those that curse god, or that punishments should be an "eye for eye, tooth for tooth"

That's the old testament-nothing in it is relevant to the Christian bible per Ed1066.

[chiver78]

Jan 19, 2011 14:14:10 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Jan 19, 2011 13:11:38 GMT -5 ugonow said:

It is the goal of all religions,not just Christians, to convert others. If we can get all jews and muslims to accept Jesus as our saviour,the world would be a much better place. We must be the ones converting them,not the other way around.

And let the religious wars begin.

no kidding...

[Angel!]

That's the old testament-nothing in it is relevant to the Christian bible per Ed1066.

Of course, and I'm sure Ed1066 has spent an equal amount of time studying the koran to be able to tell us which verses do & do not apply to modern muslims as well. I'm sure his analysis is spot-on.

[Opti]

"Why are some of you putting words in his mouth that he did not say?? And making assumptions about what he meant by what he did say?? He could have said it better, but he did say he wants to be everyone's brother. He did NOT say-- if you are not my brother in Christ you are lesser than I am, you need to convert, or I will not treat you as well as my brothers and sisters in Christ."

He said the below, which is he wants people to convert to Christianity. I think it was a bad choice to say it since he is a elected official of a government that is founded on blindness to religion. So many people feared Obama would want people to become Muslims, this guy actually said I want you all to become Christians. Fine as a regular citizen or a pastor, not cool as an elected official.

"Anybody here today who has not accepted Jesus Christ as their savior, I'm telling you, you're not my brother and you're not my sister, and I want to be your brother,"

FYI, not really sure whether Buddhists really care whether you become Buddhist or not. Their goal is to help humanity towards enlightenment.