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Post by TD2K on Dec 18, 2011 21:51:54 GMT -5
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Post by steff on Dec 18, 2011 21:55:05 GMT -5
Nope. It's "I could not care less". It means that I care so very little, that caring even less would be impossible. The other way makes no sense. I maintain my position. I realize that English is not your native tongue. I also realize that you are a very rude person. In your case, "I could not care less." would be accurate. For polite society, it is "I could care less.". well that was rude.... ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/sarcasm.png)
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Post by TD2K on Dec 18, 2011 22:00:12 GMT -5
well that was rude.... ![](http://forums.clubrsx.com/images/smilies/yeahthat.gif) I don't find Wetz rude but she's willing to state her mind.
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Post by weltschmerz on Dec 18, 2011 22:00:34 GMT -5
comparing the phrases I couldn’t care less and I could care less, each of which (at least here in America) is used to mean the same thing (which is basically I really don’t care), even though their syntax suggests that they should be opposites. A The form I could care less has provoked a vast amount of comment and criticism in the past thirty years or so. Few people have had a kind word for it, and many have been vehemently opposed to it (William and Mary Morris, for example, in the Harper Dictionary of Contemporary Usage, back in 1975, called it “an ignorant debasement of language”, which seems much too powerful a condemnation). Writers are less inclined to abuse it these days, perhaps because Americans have had time to get used to it. A bit of history first: the original expression, of course, was I couldn’t care less, meaning “it is impossible for me to have less interest or concern in this matter, since I am already utterly indifferent”. It is originally British. The first record of it in print I know of is in 1946, as the title of a book by Anthony Phelps, recording his experiences in Air Transport Auxiliary during World War II. By then it had clearly become sufficiently well known that he could rely on its being recognised. It seems to have reached the US some time in the 1950s and to have become popular in the latter part of that decade. The inverted form I could care less was coined in the US and is found only there. It may have begun to be used in the early 1960s, though it turns up in a written form only in 1966. www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-ico1.htmWeltz was wrong twice in one day? Hogwash! ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by TD2K on Dec 18, 2011 22:06:44 GMT -5
It seems to have reached the US some time in the 1950s and to have become popular in the latter part of that decade. The inverted form I could care less was coined in the US and is found only there. It may have begun to be used in the early 1960s, though it turns up in a written form only in 1966.
Alistair Cooke: his observation that the US and the UK are "two nations divided by a common language".
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Dec 18, 2011 22:13:37 GMT -5
Feh. They're talking about the "debasement" of a language where "fat chance" and "slim chance" mean precisely the same thing. ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/tongue2.png)
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Post by weltschmerz on Dec 18, 2011 22:20:20 GMT -5
realize that English is not your native tongue. I also realize that you are a very rude person. In your case, "I could not care less." would be accurate. For polite society, it is "I could care less.". ----------- What the hell? I'm a rude person because I disagree with you? Wow. You'd think that I hurled out epithets and called other posters names.
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Post by TD2K on Dec 18, 2011 22:22:07 GMT -5
How swine do you have to wash to get a good batch of hogwash?
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Dec 18, 2011 22:23:41 GMT -5
I suppose the former is a bit more condescending than the latter—but not under all circumstances.
If I was told "You have a fat chance of succeeding with that attitude.", for instance, I wouldn't read any more into it than if it was phrased "You have a slim chance of succeeding with that attitude."
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Post by weltschmerz on Dec 18, 2011 22:23:46 GMT -5
For polite society, it is "I could care less.". ---------------- Apparently, it's quite the opposite.
So it’s actually a very interesting linguistic development. But it is still regarded as slangy, and also has some social class stigma attached. And because it is hard to be sarcastic in writing, it loses its force when put on paper and just ends up looking stupid. In such cases, the older form, while still rather colloquial, at least will communicate your meaning — at least to those who really could care less.
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Post by weltschmerz on Dec 18, 2011 22:25:28 GMT -5
How swine do you have to wash to get a good batch of hogwash? I have no objection to bathing our porcine bretheren.
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Dec 18, 2011 22:30:03 GMT -5
How swine do you have to wash to get a good batch of hogwash? I have no objection to bathing our porcine bretheren. Should we go get Doc? He'd probably enjoy a good scrub-down. ;D
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Post by steff on Dec 18, 2011 22:34:29 GMT -5
I still wuv you weltz and someone calling you rude is kinda funny in way.... ![](http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff155/JiminiChristmas/smileys/1-1.gif)
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Dec 18, 2011 22:34:39 GMT -5
If you consider pigs "our brethren", wouldn't that make you a pig's sister? ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/tongue2.png)
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Post by weltschmerz on Dec 18, 2011 22:36:53 GMT -5
Your rudeness was not determined by one thread. You have been blatantly rude on many threads ------------------ Show me an example. I'll wait right here.
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Post by weltschmerz on Dec 18, 2011 22:37:51 GMT -5
If you consider pigs "our brethren", wouldn't that make you a pig's sister? ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/tongue2.png) I'm a sister in spirit to all living creatures. Even snow leopards.
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Post by TD2K on Dec 18, 2011 22:38:31 GMT -5
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Post by TD2K on Dec 18, 2011 22:39:23 GMT -5
Just a second folks, Return of the Jedi is on and Princess Leia is about to come out in her metal bikini.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Dec 18, 2011 22:44:50 GMT -5
*shudder* So wrong. So terribly, terribly wrong. ![:'(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/cry.png)
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Post by weltschmerz on Dec 18, 2011 22:46:06 GMT -5
Your rudeness was not determined by one thread. You have been blatantly rude on many threads ------------------ Show me an example. I'll wait right here. Isn't calling me hogwash rude? ;D I do hope you're kidding. But seriously, just because I don't dance around tossing out karmas like beads from a Mardi Gras float, or pepper my responses with tons of smilies, it doesn't make me rude. People who dislike me call me rude when I disagree with them. I'm not going to agree with something just to avoid conflict. I've been called rude for hating Velveeta cheese, for disliking clothing with "Juicy" emblazoned on the ass, and for daring to post a picture of Ganesh, the Hindu elephant god.
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Post by TD2K on Dec 18, 2011 22:48:28 GMT -5
![](http://jonathanturley.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/lotus-sculpture_2072_39770795.jpeg) LOL
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Post by weltschmerz on Dec 18, 2011 22:49:54 GMT -5
Lol, that's not an authentic one, TD. There's no rat.
Oh wait! Was that rude of me?
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Post by mskitty on Dec 18, 2011 22:51:48 GMT -5
Isn't calling me hogwash rude? ;D I do hope you're kidding. But seriously, just because I don't dance around tossing out karmas like beads from a Mardi Gras float, or pepper my responses with tons of smilies, it doesn't make me rude. People who dislike me call me rude when I disagree with them. I'm not going to agree with something just to avoid conflict. I've been called rude for hating Velveeta cheese, for disliking clothing with "Juicy" emblazoned on the ass, and for daring to post a picture of Ganesh, the Hindu elephant god. weltschmerz can I have some karma? ;D
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Post by femmefatale on Dec 18, 2011 22:52:14 GMT -5
Isn't calling me hogwash rude? ;D I do hope you're kidding. But seriously, just because I don't dance around tossing out karmas like beads from a Mardi Gras float, or pepper my responses with tons of smilies, it doesn't make me rude. People who dislike me call me rude when I disagree with them. I'm not going to agree with something just to avoid conflict. I've been called rude for hating Velveeta cheese, for disliking clothing with "Juicy" emblazoned on the ass, and for daring to post a picture of Ganesh, the Hindu elephant god. ![](http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff155/JiminiChristmas/smileys/eyeroll.gif)
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Post by mskitty on Dec 18, 2011 22:52:46 GMT -5
And some beads. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by femmefatale on Dec 18, 2011 22:52:53 GMT -5
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Post by mskitty on Dec 18, 2011 22:53:52 GMT -5
And a smilie. Thanks ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by weltschmerz on Dec 18, 2011 22:54:46 GMT -5
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Post by mskitty on Dec 18, 2011 22:57:09 GMT -5
weltschmerz can I have some karma? ;D Me too? Remember the hogwash? Um, it was a joke. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by mskitty on Dec 18, 2011 23:11:35 GMT -5
Um, it was a joke. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) I knooooowwww that. ;D Okey dokey... Hi lonewolf. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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