US Jobs: Coming or Going?

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

The Fed is buying bonds Virgil, and Zero Hedge calling for 36,000 on the Dow sounds about as sarcastic as it gets.  I will admit that since they had been spectacularly wrong up until the middle of 2012, they have realized that they can only get away with thinly veiled BS, such as "The Illuminati Were Amateurs" - Matt Taibbi Explains How "Everything Is Rigged".... 

[frankq]

Wow.....Zero Hedge calling the Illuminati is pretty ballsy....

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

  No doubt eh? First they were in control of the banks, now they aren't shit compared to the banks...  

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Apr 21, 2013 5:19:42 GMT -5 damnotagain said:

1.) you have no idea how close we came to being the United States of Amarijapan. Still could.

2. ) so let's see what are the BoJ , BoE , ECB and the fed doing by definition of debasing?

3.) how about the jobs report last week , down.  Damn they left out 2 states . It going to take more than a adding just a few jobs to have any effect on this economy. 

Sorry I missed this damn, I was pretty busy and just got thinking about this conversation....

1) When in WW2?  Since then the Japanese military has basically been the US military...   Are you suggesting that Japan melted down their reactors on purpose in some kind of conspiracy or something?

2) How so, the Chinese Yaun is still so undervalued right now it's not even funny.  Japan is trying to print to cause inflation, they have been trying to cause inflation for 20 yrs by printing and it still hasn't worked.  Which flies right in the face of the entire theory about the current money printing causing massive inflation.

3) Except GDP growth still came in at 2.5% during the first quarter.  A few jobs created every month, with first time claims dropping is still a long way off from millions of jobs lost.  You have about four months left on that one eh? 

[Virgil Showlion]

Apr 26, 2013 20:40:40 GMT -5 Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger said:

The Fed is buying bonds Virgil, and Zero Hedge calling for 36,000 on the Dow sounds about as sarcastic as it gets.  I will admit that since they had been spectacularly wrong up until the middle of 2012, they have realized that they can only get away with thinly veiled BS, such as "The Illuminati Were Amateurs" - Matt Taibbi Explains How "Everything Is Rigged".... 

It's cynicism, not sarcasm.

As for their being "spectacularly wrong up until the middle of 2012", you have no idea what you're talking about, you have even less idea of what Tyler has and hasn't predicted, and it's not my job to educate you.

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

OMG... Seriously Virg?  Ya, I can't click on their page and read what they put out there...    By mid 2012 your BF started to give market updates, that's what I am talking about.  Considering how wrong you guys have been from listening and regurgitating the garbage that comes out of places like that, you might want to reconsider who needs an education here. You're right about one thing though, cynical is a way better way to describe the mentality of the doom squad. 

[Virgil Showlion]

Apr 28, 2013 12:47:58 GMT -5 Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger said:

OMG... Seriously Virg?  Ya, I can't click on their page and read what they put out there...    By mid 2012 your BF started to give market updates, that's what I am talking about.  Considering how wrong you guys have been from listening and regurgitating the garbage that comes out of places like that, you might want to reconsider who needs an education here. You're right about one thing though, cynical is a way better way to describe the mentality of the doom squad. 

Tyler doesn't make market predictions. He presents data.

Various contributors make predictions, but there are more than 50 regular contributors and their market predictions are all over the map.

And when you say "you guys", I've gone head-to-head with Frank Q in defending my predictions and come out smelling like roses. The problem is that you can't be bothered to distinguish between myself and whoever else you've lumped together with "you guys", which is precisely the same problem you have with ZH.

In future, do me the service of actually quoting my predictions when you blame me for "regurgitating the garbage".

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

I have tried to ask you a few different times what your thoughts are on topics Virg, all you do is tell me to read this or that. You never say what it is that you think is going to happen, that's what some call skirting the issues.  So if you want to stand out in the crowd, quit using what others are saying as your own thoughts.  I have no problem making predictions and backing them up with data as you can clearly see.

 I'm sorry if I have offended you by bunching you up with the garbage, you do seem like a genuine and decent person when it comes right down to it. 

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Oh and if you really want, I can start to pull up the stuff from the start of the whatever happened to thread.... 

[Virgil Showlion]

Apr 28, 2013 13:26:49 GMT -5 Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger said:

Oh and if you really want, I can start to pull up the stuff from the start of the whatever happened to thread.... 

Go right ahead. I'd be happy to revisit some of the old predictions.

As for my predictions of 2013, I gave them to Frank Q in that thread a few months ago. They haven't changed since then.

My only running predictions are on California running a deficit this fiscal year (DJ claims they'll be close to on-budget), and that the US public debt would continue to grow by > $700 B/yr., which is presently being blown away by the current spending.

Any other predictions are for timeframes going out 5, 10, and even 20 years.

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Well you were trying to poo poo the fact that Egypt's revolution was about more than Islam and the Brotherhood.  Over the last few days there... Egypt's Mursi backs down, to seek compromise on judges, Egypt police in protest, Egypt students rally to demand sacking of higher education minister, Update: Students protest across Egypt.

 There is of course this thread that we are talking on, since it was started the US has continued to add jobs and the US manufacturing renaissance story is now everywhere.  You said you would eat your hat if I could find an article that proves that the tech age's(internet) "critical mass" was the mid 90's.  Remember how I was trying to explain how the rise of tech coincides with the birth rate and how we are bouncing back? Would you like ketchup and mustard with your fedora? Information Age 

The Information Age formed by capitalizing on the computer microminiaturization advances, with a transition spanning from the advent of the personal computer in the late 1970s, to the Internet's reaching a critical mass in the early 1990s, and the adoption of such technology by the public in the two decades after 1990. Bringing about a fast evolution of technology in daily life, as well as of educational life style, the Information Age has allowed rapid global communications and networking to shape modern society.[2]

 But I will keep holding my breath for the next 5,10, or even 20 years that your prediction of "gentle genocide" will come true, that's what you're talking about there right?  Especially since the World Bank aims to end extreme poverty by 2030, those people are definitely part of the Agenda 21 that you want people to read books about right? 

[sunrnr]

Apr 28, 2013 11:28:24 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Apr 26, 2013 20:40:40 GMT -5 Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger said:

The Fed is buying bonds Virgil, and Zero Hedge calling for 36,000 on the Dow sounds about as sarcastic as it gets.  I will admit that since they had been spectacularly wrong up until the middle of 2012, they have realized that they can only get away with thinly veiled BS, such as "The Illuminati Were Amateurs" - Matt Taibbi Explains How "Everything Is Rigged".... 

It's cynicism, not sarcasm.

As for their being "spectacularly wrong up until the middle of 2012", you have no idea what you're talking about, you have even less idea of what Tyler has and hasn't predicted, and it's not my job to educate you.

Seriously Virgil? We're trying to be civil and respectful even when (especially when) we don't agree with someone. You as a moderator should be leading by example, but the tone of the above ain't it. A bit condescending, in my humble opinion ... just sayin'.

[Virgil Showlion]

There is of course this thread that we are talking on, since it was started the US has continued to add jobs and the US manufacturing renaissance story is now everywhere.

It's only a "Renaissance" if you ignore the outflow side of the equation, which is why sites like ZH are part of a balanced diet.

Remember how I was trying to explain how the rise of tech coincides with the birth rate and how we are bouncing back? Would you like ketchup and mustard with your fedora?

And how exactly are we "bouncing back"? PC sales are collapsing because computers purchased 6 years ago are as functional as computers today. People are moving to tablets, which are rapidly becoming a mature technology. The "great invention" of the year is an overpriced headset that tells you how many meters across the Brooklyn Bridge is when you look at it. And 85% of the breakthroughs that IEEE is forecasting for 2013 are devoted to making technology more invasive rather than more useful.
If you mean that tech stocks are doing well... whoopie.

You said you would eat your hat if I could find an article that proves that the tech age's(internet) "critical mass" was the mid 90's.

So the "tech age" is suddenly synonymous with "the Internet"? How convenient.

Next year we should redefine the "tech age" to mean the era of Internet video on demand. That will conveniently put us at the height of the tech age right now.

 Especially since the World Bank aims to end extreme poverty by 2030, those people are definitely part of the Agenda 21 that you want people to read books about right?

If you're asking me whether there will be a great deal more poverty and death in the world by 2030, then the answer is 'yes'.

A bit condescending, in my humble opinion ... just sayin'.

Maybe so.

Ham, I apologize for my harsh wording.

[frankq]

I've gone head-to-head with Frank Q in defending my predictions and come out smelling like roses.

Really? Which predictions, besides the fact that we're still playing with Syria and I thought that would be over, are those? I don't see collapse in Egypt, I don't see the Muslim Brotherhood creating new centers in Egypt to train terrorists and threaten our security, the Dow finished the year right about 13,200 I think, so I guess in a technical sense you were right because I said 13,400 or something like that although we both know you were hoping for a much lower finish. I know it was down to the wire for sure.  I forget the rest. I'll spot you some......but smelling like roses?.......Hm........maybe dandelions.....I seem to remember a lot of doom and gloom in our interactions that haven't materialized regarding market issues,  currency issues, etc.........just saying.....in particular regarding the markets. I guarantee that if you followed your market predictions throughout last year, you'd be smelling like something other than roses.....

[frankq]

And how exactly are we "bouncing back"?

So you contend that the economy has made no improvement? Just asking......

[sunrnr]

Maybe so.

Ham, I apologize for my harsh wording.

 

[clubv]

Can't find that Dallas Fed Manufacturing number anywhere in "Media" Oh well I'm sure it's a good one and bodes well for bundles of hiring in the manufacturing sector. Did anyone catch those numbers. They must be through the roof in looking at the DOW.

[frankq]

As for their being "spectacularly wrong up until the middle of 2012", you have no idea what you're talking about, you have even less idea of what Tyler has and hasn't predicted, and it's not my job to educate you.

Uh.........Tyler isn't a real guy......kinda makes you wonder......just saying.....

[Virgil Showlion]

Apr 29, 2013 13:41:44 GMT -5 frankq said:

As for their being "spectacularly wrong up until the middle of 2012", you have no idea what you're talking about, you have even less idea of what Tyler has and hasn't predicted, and it's not my job to educate you.

Uh.........Tyler isn't a real guy......kinda makes you wonder......just saying.....

Neither is "Virgil", or sunrnr, for that matter. Unless you believe he flies around on a dragon between checking the markets and picking up the kids from Tae Kwon Doe.

[frankq]

You mean.........he doesn't really have a dragon?.......

[Virgil Showlion]

Frank Q slumped back in his chair.

"No dragons?" He muttered.

Unbelievable.

First, to discover that 'Tyler' was an alias, nothing more than a name borrowed from an old cult movie. And now this man presumed to tell him that dragons were also a fiction?

What could possibly be next? The US economy collapsing? Would these mad revelations never cease?

"Oh Puff," Frank moaned. "I can't lose you too. It's like Santa Claus all over again."

[clubv]

Sorry guys. I must be on wrong thread as everything seems "off" topic.

[frankq]

As for my predictions of 2013, I gave them to Frank Q in that thread a few months ago. They haven't changed since then.

I may be having an Old Timers moment, but I thought those predictions were for end of 2012. Seriously, I don't remember.

On an unrelated note, speaking of tongue in cheek references to aliases from famous movies......has anyone ever noticed that you never see Damnotagain and Virgil at the same time? Kinda like Clark Kent and Superman.........Hmmmm...............

What could possibly be next? The US economy collapsing? Would these mad revelations never cease?

So, is that one of your predictions? You had best hope not. All those Americans out of work would mean disaster for the Canadian fishing season. All those people that fish minnows and run those worm farms kaput! Talk about an economic collapse...........

[clubv]

moderators anywhere? I thought we were supposed to keep discussion on topic?

[Virgil Showlion]

Apr 29, 2013 19:32:14 GMT -5 clubv said:

moderators anywhere? I thought we were supposed to keep discussion on topic?

We'll get back on topic, sir.

[damnotagain]

Earnings up - revenue down = jobs going. 

your "super" paranoid there q.

[frankq]

Apr 29, 2013 20:35:21 GMT -5 damnotagain said:

Earnings up - revenue down = jobs going. 

your "super" paranoid there q.

Super paranoid? I don't even know what you're talking about.........

[frankq]

Ok clubv,

The floor is yours................

[damnotagain]

Apr 30, 2013 6:59:09 GMT -5 frankq said:

Apr 29, 2013 20:35:21 GMT -5 damnotagain said:

Earnings up - revenue down = jobs going. 

your "super" paranoid there q.

Super paranoid? I don't even know what you're talking about.........

Form your above post # 235 ! Comprehension frank try to keep up!

"Tongue and cheek"

"On an unrelated note, speaking of tongue in cheek references to aliases from famous movies......has anyone ever noticed that you never see Damnotagain and Virgil at the same time? Kinda like Clark Kent and Superman.........Hmmmm..............."
 

Its obvious in applying this anology you could be  "brainiac" .   Your just that smart. 


 

[damnotagain]

Manufacturing Activities in the Chicago Region Contract in April
Manufacturing activity in the Chicago region in April contracted for the first time since September 2009, falling from 52.4 in March to 49.0. The Briefing.com consensus expected the Chicago PMI to decline to 52.0. After hitting a relative peak of 60.9 in January, production levels have dropped swiftly over the past few months and broke through the contraction threshold in April. The production index dropped to 49.9 from 51.8 in March. New orders managed a small gain, increasing from 53.0 in March to 53.2 in April. The gain in new orders, however, was not enough to offset the severe downward trend in the number of unfilled orders. That index dropped to 40.6 from 45.0. Without a steady supply of unfilled orders, it would take a large jump in new orders to boost production above the 50.0 expansion/contraction demarcation point. The employment index fell from 55.1 in March to 48.7 in April.


Read more: www.briefing.com/investor/analysis/story-stocks/manufacturing-activities-in-the-chicago-region-contract-in-april.htm#ixzz2RyDS0cyz


 Should this go on doom and gloom ? Contraction is not going to create jobs.