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Post by Virgil Showlion on Nov 29, 2011 10:49:50 GMT -5
The video of the interview is available here. Ron Paul lays it out: "We know what to do - we did it once after the Civil War period, we went from a paper standard back to the gold standard, and the event wasn't that dramatic. But today the big problem is that both the conservatives and liberals have an big apetite for big government for different reasons, therefore they need the Fed to tie them over and monetize the debt. So if you don't get rid of that appetite it's going to be more difficult, but the transition isn't that difficult. You have to get your house in order; you have to balance the budget, you have to not run up debt, and you have to promise not to print any more money...
I would like to have a transition period and just legalize gold money, gold and silver as legal tender, and work our way back... We want to legalize the use of gold and silver as the constitution dictates, rather than punishing the people who try to do that...
I am quite convinced that the system we have will not be maintained - that's what these last 4 years was all about, and that's what the turmoil in Europe is all about. The question is are they going to move toward a constitutional form of money. or are we going to go another step further into international money - instead of having an international gold standard based on the market, are we going to go toward a UN, IMF standard where they are going to control with the use of force another fiat standard. I consider that a very, very dangerous move."
And precisely due to that piece of phenomenal insight which nobody else in the GOP or Democratic roster is even parsecs away from grasping, is why Paul can never be allowed to be elected, why he must be mocked and ridiculed by a co-opted ADHD media which focuses on how many mistresses some other idiotic presidential candidates has, instead of focusing on the one person who grasps the big picture: the status quo can not be held accountable to a political leader who understand not only how the system is rigged, but why it is broken to begin with and that there actually is a way out. However, to the "status quo's" chagrin, one that involves the wiping out of generations of plundered middle class wealth to keep the richest denizens of 'extremistan' ever richer. In other news, Italy's 3-year debt is selling at 8%, median home prices drop (again), American Airlines files for bankruptcy, and the global meltdown-in-slow-motion continues right on schedule. I realize I'm preaching to the choir here to some extent. When I ran the poll earlier in the year on Republican candidates, Rep. Paul had somewhere near 90% the popular vote, if I recall correctly.
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Post by reformeddaytrader on Nov 29, 2011 10:54:15 GMT -5
Why Ron Paul will Never Be Elected
Because the country will not elect a Grumpy Old Man as their president would be my best guess..
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Nov 29, 2011 11:00:21 GMT -5
America wanted an optimistic young(er) man in 2008. You elected Pres. Barrack H. Obama.
Q.E.D.
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Post by reformeddaytrader on Nov 29, 2011 11:04:30 GMT -5
America wanted an optimistic young(er) man in 2008. You elected Pres. Barrack H. Obama. Q.E.D. Re: Why Ron Paul will Never Be Elected « Reply #2 Today at 9:00 » -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - Wrong Virgil not all of us Americans elected President Barrack H Obama as a matter of fact I voted for John Edwards in the Democratic Primary in CA and for John McCain in the Presidential Elections in 2008......How's that for picking them? ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) ? But c'mon now you saw what two grumpy ole members of the CFL did yesterday they swapped punches over a flower.... But Ole Joe Capp can still hit with both hands.. ;D And Ron Paul will be 77 in 2013 that is a bit long in the tooth for the Presidency and he looks and acts @87 IMHO..
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Post by phil5185 on Nov 29, 2011 11:09:17 GMT -5
instead of having an international gold standard based on the market, are we going to go toward a UN, IMF standard where they are going to control with the use of force another fiat standard. I consider that a very, very dangerous move." Oh oh - someone read The Creature from Jekyll Island by Ed Griffin. Chapters 24, 25, 26?
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Post by reformeddaytrader on Nov 29, 2011 11:12:23 GMT -5
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Post by safeharbor37 on Nov 29, 2011 11:18:37 GMT -5
I heard on the radio this morning Ron Paul being quoted as warning about the housing bubble before the House of Representatives in 2002. It might have been better if we'd paid attention to the "grumpy old man" back then and even now, considering the alternatives.
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Post by Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ on Nov 29, 2011 11:23:43 GMT -5
I heard on the radio this morning Ron Paul being quoted as warning about the housing bubble before the House of Representatives in 2002. It might have been better if we'd paid attention to the "grumpy old man" back then and even now, considering the alternatives. As far back as 2002, congress was warned about problems in FNMA.
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Post by reformeddaytrader on Nov 29, 2011 11:24:02 GMT -5
He also warned about Iraq in 2002 Safeharbor and was against invading Kuwait in 1991 ...but for some reason Ron Paul has never been too effective in congress with his views and opinions or had much support from his colleagues in congress.. He sat next to Barney Frank on the Congressional Banking and Finance Committee and that was certaintly an odd couple because they didn't agree on anything... Or a Grumpy Old Man vs a Grumpy Gay Man... whoever said "Poltics does make strange bedfellows"
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2011 11:25:01 GMT -5
Ron Paul won't be elected because as much as people say they want change in the government, they don't vote that way. Incumbents win. People like the devil they know over the devil they don't. Ron paul is too much of a wild card. People would be worried about that.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Nov 29, 2011 11:40:34 GMT -5
Take auditing the Fed, for instance. Paul addresses it briefly in his video. Congressional support for the audit was well over 50%, made up of congressmen on both sides of the aisle. Then by executive order the ability to pass legislation that would get the ball rolling was moved out of the Domestic Monetary Policy subcommittee (where Rep. Paul is the chairman) to the Government Oversight subcommittee. Boom. No more Fed audit.
Paul uses diplomatic language when talking about it, but it's clear that TPTB simply hamstrung him. Not even 50%+ congressional support can make one "effective in congress" in a rigged game.
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Post by Driftr on Nov 30, 2011 15:15:43 GMT -5
Take auditing the Fed, for instance. Paul addresses it briefly in his video. Congressional support for the audit was well over 50%, made up of congressmen on both sides of the aisle. Then by executive order the ability to pass legislation that would get the ball rolling was moved out of the Domestic Monetary Policy subcommittee (where Rep. Paul is the chairman) to the Government Oversight subcommittee. Boom. No more Fed audit. Paul uses diplomatic language when talking about it, but it's clear that TPTB simply hamstrung him. Not even 50%+ congressional support can make one "effective in congress" in a rigged game. ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/thumbsup.png)
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 30, 2011 15:24:05 GMT -5
Ron Paul won't be elected because as much as people say they want change in the government, they don't vote that way. Incumbents win. People like the devil they know over the devil they don't. Ron paul is too much of a wild card. People would be worried about that. the media could help by not portraying him as, basically, insane. they are following the lead of the mainstream candidates in marginalizing this guy. but the truth is that he is more fiscally coherent than anyone running. and that was the case in 2008, as well. we could learn a lot from him by PAYING ATTENTION. but we don't. we dismiss him as a grumpy old man rather than a person who really knows his stuff on fiscal issues.
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 30, 2011 15:24:52 GMT -5
I don't care what anyone thinks. I decided to vote for Paul months ago. have you considered Johnson? he is very similar to Paul, but without any of the religious baggage.
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Post by weltschmerz on Nov 30, 2011 15:28:44 GMT -5
But c'mon now you saw what two grumpy ole members of the CFL did yesterday they swapped punches over a flower.. ---------------------- That was hysterical! ![](http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff155/JiminiChristmas/smileys/1-1.gif) Video no longer available due to copyright concerns, btw.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Nov 30, 2011 15:33:26 GMT -5
Rep. Paul put out an op ed today castigating the Fed for their massive bailout pledge to Europe that sent markets skyrocketing.
I don't know how many Americans actually realize what the Fed has signed you up for. You are taking on debt and devaluing your currency to the tune of trillions of dollars ($1 trillion is $3,000.00 for every man, woman, and child in America) to bail out insolvent European banks and debtor nations. By executive fiat, with the wave of a pen. No congress, senate, or judiciary involved.
Candidate X's mistresses and candidate Y's Freddie/Fannie kickbacks are not freakin' important by comparison.
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 30, 2011 15:36:30 GMT -5
Rep. Paul put out an op ed today castigating the Fed for their massive bailout pledge to Europe that sent markets skyrocketing. I don't know how many Americans actually realize what the Fed has signed you up for. You are taking on debt and devaluing your currency to the tune of trillions of dollars ($1 trillion is $3,000.00 for every man, woman, and child in America) to bail out insolvent European banks and debtor nations. By executive fiat, with the wave of a pen. No congress, senate, or judiciary involved. Candidate X's mistresses and candidate Y's Freddie/Fannie kickbacks are not freakin' important by comparison. oh, i realize it just fine. but one question for you: why the hell do you care? you have no skin in the game.
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Post by jarhead1976 on Nov 30, 2011 16:17:48 GMT -5
Rep. Paul put out an op ed today castigating the Fed for their massive bailout pledge to Europe that sent markets skyrocketing. I don't know how many Americans actually realize what the Fed has signed you up for. You are taking on debt and devaluing your currency to the tune of trillions of dollars ($1 trillion is $3,000.00 for every man, woman, and child in America) to bail out insolvent European banks and debtor nations. By executive fiat, with the wave of a pen. No congress, senate, or judiciary involved. Candidate X's mistresses and candidate Y's Freddie/Fannie kickbacks are not freakin' important by comparison. This alone should make a person realize WHO is running the show in this country. Canada got their shit together a few years back. Cutting the size of government and pensions while implementing spending controls. Nice work.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Nov 30, 2011 16:42:22 GMT -5
Oh come on. The US goes down the tubes, Canada loses 85% of its export market and 65% of its suppliers, and we're going to shake it off?
If the US goes down, North America goes down with it. No ifs, ands, or buts. Goodbye North America.
You have ten times our population and an economy ten times as large. If the SGS Alt statistic is accurate (and I believe it is), there are currently more unemployed Americans as there are Canadians citizens. We're like Kazakhstan to your Russia.
So you'll forgive me if I take an outsider's interest on American politics. And in any case, an eighth of my family is American.
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 30, 2011 17:54:21 GMT -5
Oh come on. The US goes down the tubes, Canada loses 85% of its export market and 65% of its suppliers, and we're going to shake it off? If the US goes down, North America goes down with it. No ifs, ands, or buts. Goodbye North America. You have ten times our population and an economy ten times as large. If the SGS Alt statistic is accurate (and I believe it is), there are currently more unemployed Americans as there are Canadians citizens. We're like Kazakhstan to your Russia. So you'll forgive me if I take an outsider's interest on American politics. And in any case, an eighth of my family is American. fair enough. no reason to get worked up, dude. i was just curious.
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Post by reformeddaytrader on Nov 30, 2011 18:00:27 GMT -5
Oh come on. The US goes down the tubes, Canada loses 85% of its export market and 65% of its suppliers, and we're going to shake it off? If the US goes down, North America goes down with it. No ifs, ands, or buts. Goodbye North America. You have ten times our population and an economy ten times as large. If the SGS Alt statistic is accurate (and I believe it is), there are currently more unemployed Americans as there are Canadians citizens. We're like Kazakhstan to your Russia. So you'll forgive me if I take an outsider's interest on American politics. And in any case, an eighth of my family is American. Yea but again next year a hockey team from Boston is going to kick butts especially the Canadian ones from Calgary, Toronto, Vancouver, Ottawa and Montreal.....Why ?? They have Tim Thomas in goal.. Sorry but just had to take a little wind out of our Canadian buds sails.. We don't want them getting too carried away with "Oh Canada"...
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Post by weltschmerz on Nov 30, 2011 18:24:35 GMT -5
So you'll forgive me if I take an outsider's interest on American politics. ------------------------ Exactly!!
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Post by weltschmerz on Nov 30, 2011 18:27:16 GMT -5
Yea but again next year a hockey team from Boston is going to kick butts especially the Canadian ones from Calgary, Toronto, Vancouver, Ottawa and Montreal.....Why ?? They have Tim Thomas in goal.. Sorry but just had to take a little wind out of our Canadian buds sails.. ------------------------- The Boston Bruins? Aren't most of their players......wait for it......Canadian? ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 30, 2011 18:35:54 GMT -5
So you'll forgive me if I take an outsider's interest on American politics. ------------------------ Exactly!! i kinda expected that answer, honestly. but i try not to assume. ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/angel2.png)
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Post by reformeddaytrader on Nov 30, 2011 18:37:16 GMT -5
The Boston Bruins? Aren't most of their players......wait for it......Canadian?
Yea but their loyalities are with the Bostonians and some of them have become American citizens, But they are struggling to speak Bostoniese with a Canadian accent
Thorton lives in Charlestown and hangs out in one of my old watering holes.. Lucic, Bergeron and the other canadians have become honorary Boston Irishmen which is one of the most prestigioius awards they can receive...it means when they go to an Irish Pub, Bar or Restaurant in Beantown their tab is paid for by the establishment owners.. And the Irish Mafia keep an eye on all of them for their own protection from rowdy fans
Btw Ms Welts FYI Les Canadiens have more americans on their team than canadians....check it out
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Post by weltschmerz on Nov 30, 2011 18:57:29 GMT -5
Btw Ms Welts FYI Les Canadiens have more americans on their team than canadians....check it out -------------------------- In other words, if the Bruins beat the Habs, Canada still wins! I can live with that! ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by reformeddaytrader on Nov 30, 2011 19:00:24 GMT -5
In other words, if the Bruins beat the Habs, Canada still wins! I can live with that! Re: Why Ron Paul will Never Be Elected « Reply #27 Today at 16:57 » -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What do you mean "if" the Bruins beat les Habs? That is a given Ma'am with all due respects to Montreal one of my favorite cities in the World.. Btw for full disclosure most of my ice time was in the Penalty Box just in case you were wondering about that factiod...
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Post by weltschmerz on Nov 30, 2011 19:02:12 GMT -5
Montreal one of my favorite cities in the World.. --------------------------- When are you coming back?
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Post by weltschmerz on Nov 30, 2011 19:05:24 GMT -5
You should come up for this.
Every year since 2000, the Montreal High Lights Festival, or Festival Montréal en Lumière, lights up the city around the dreariest part of February. In 2012, the festival runs February 16 to February 26, 2012 and it's easily the most anticipated winter festival in town. What Is It? The Montreal High Lights Festival is essentially ten days -- 11 in 2012 -- of culinary events, live music, performance art, exhibits, light shows and free activities. The final day concludes with the overwhelmingly popular Montreal All-Nighter Nuit Blanche, an all-night overdose of arts, culture, science, food, winter sports and music than runs from 6 p.m. until dawn.
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Post by reformeddaytrader on Nov 30, 2011 19:06:57 GMT -5
Montreal one of my favorite cities in the World.. --------------------------- When are you coming back? I skiied at Mt Tremblanc a lot when I lived in MA and played hockey in the Old Montreal Forum vs Montreal Catholic High School but that was a long, long time ago so not sure...maybe when my grand kids get bigger I will take them to Montreal for a visit or take in a hockey game
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