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[femmefatale]

Nov 21, 2011 12:40:31 GMT -5 Tosh said:

Thanksgiving is a traditional holiday to celebrate a festival of harvest, held by the pilgims in 1620-something. Families and friends share a banquet and good times together.

So it is nothing to do with God ( spit) then ? ;D

Don't mention the "G" word, Tosh!

[femmefatale]

Nov 21, 2011 12:13:01 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

Thanksgiving is a traditional holiday to celebrate a festival of harvest, held by the pilgims in 1620-something. Families and friends share a banquet and good times together.

[Deleted]

The Pilgrims were religious people, and they migrated seeking religious freedom, but it's not a religious holiday per se.

[Tosh]

Don't mention the "G" word, Tosh!

ok...Yahweh.

[gavinsnana]

Nov 21, 2011 11:47:23 GMT -5 Tosh said:

Yes it was...what makes you say that? He knew his fate.. He knew He would be leaving earth.. only to one day return. He wasn;t afraid of dying, he did not want to leave those he loved.

Not according to the Gospel of Mathew: " Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani ? "

He asked God to let the cup pass him.. He knew what was going to happen,but he didn't want to leave his flock.

[gavinsnana]

Nov 21, 2011 12:40:31 GMT -5 Tosh said:

Thanksgiving is a traditional holiday to celebrate a festival of harvest, held by the pilgims in 1620-something. Families and friends share a banquet and good times together.

So it is nothing to do with God ( spit) then ? ;D

To those of Faith it is. Many people are Thankful for different reasons. God's Blessings, Family, health. No, its not just about God.. Anyone can be Thankful.. Tosh, but you knew that didntcha? ;D

[gavinsnana]

Ok, I need 3 more Karma's to hit the big 50! Anyone? ;D

[Deleted]

Nov 21, 2011 12:37:52 GMT -5 Tosh said:

The Pilgrims invited the Native Americans to a feast to celebrate their bountiful harvest, which would not have happened without the Native American's advice on crops and farming techniques.

So you are giving thanks to the Indians that you slaughtered ?

Hey now, it was a hostile takeover.
Thanks be to the gods dogs of capitalism.

[Tosh]

Texas,

You can thank me for raising your karma total by 1.

[femmefatale]

Nov 21, 2011 15:05:08 GMT -5 gavinsnana said:

Ok, I need 3 more Karma's to hit the big 50! Anyone? ;D

I'll get you next. I will have you there before night time gets here.

[Tosh]

He asked God to let the cup pass him.. He knew what was going to happen,but he didn't want to leave his flock.

He declared he was the son of man at the Last Supper, therefore Jesus believed he would be back and logically would have no reason to miss his flock.

Get out of them tomatoes.

[toomuchreality]

Nov 21, 2011 15:05:08 GMT -5 gavinsnana said:

Ok, I need 3 more Karma's to hit the big 50! Anyone? ;D

Consider it done! Only 1 more to go!

Who's going to put this fine young thing up to the 50 mark, YOU??? ;D

[gavinsnana]

Nov 21, 2011 15:35:37 GMT -5 Tosh said:

He asked God to let the cup pass him.. He knew what was going to happen,but he didn't want to leave his flock.

He declared he was the son of man at the Last Supper, therefore Jesus believed he would be back and logically would have no reason to miss his flock.

Get out of them tomatoes.


LOL..

No Tosh, he declared it, but he already knew that. So did Mary.

[gavinsnana]

I need one more! ;D

[sowhatisit]

You got it!

[gavinsnana]

And there I have it.. 50.. All is well! ;D

[weltschmerz]

Most of us associate the holiday with happy Pilgrims and Indians sitting down to a big feast. And that did happen - once.

The story began in 1614 when a band of English explorers sailed home to England with a ship full of Patuxet Indians bound for slavery. They left behind smallpox which virtually wiped out those who had escaped. By the time the Pilgrims arrived in Massachusetts Bay they found only one living Patuxet Indian, a man named Squanto who had survived slavery in England and knew their language. He taught them to grow corn and to fish, and negotiated a peace treaty between the Pilgrims and the Wampanoag Nation. At the end of their first year, the Pilgrims held a great feast honoring Squanto and the Wampanoags.

But as word spread in England about the paradise to be found in the new world, religious zealots called Puritans began arriving by the boat load. Finding no fences around the land, they considered it to be in the public domain. Joined by other British settlers, they seized land, capturing strong young Natives for slaves and killing the rest. But the Pequot Nation had not agreed to the peace treaty Squanto had negotiated and they fought back. The Pequot War was one of the bloodiest Indian wars ever fought.

In 1637 near present day Groton, Connecticut, over 700 men, women and children of the Pequot Tribe had gathered for their annual Green Corn Festival which is our Thanksgiving celebration. In the predawn hours the sleeping Indians were surrounded by English and Dutch mercenaries who ordered them to come outside. Those who came out were shot or clubbed to death while the terrified women and children who huddled inside the longhouse were burned alive. The next day the governor of the Massachusetts Bay Colony declared "A Day Of Thanksgiving" because 700 unarmed men, women and children had been murdered.

Cheered by their "victory", the brave colonists and their Indian allies attacked village after village. Women and children over 14 were sold into slavery while the rest were murdered. Boats loaded with a many as 500 slaves regularly left the ports of New England. Bounties were paid for Indian scalps to encourage as many deaths as possible.

Following an especially successful raid against the Pequot in what is now Stamford, Connecticut, the churches announced a second day of "thanksgiving" to celebrate victory over the heathen savages. During the feasting, the hacked off heads of Natives were kicked through the streets like soccer balls. Even the friendly Wampanoag did not escape the madness. Their chief was beheaded, and his head impaled on a pole in Plymouth, Massachusetts -- where it remained on display for 24 years.

The killings became more and more frenzied, with days of thanksgiving feasts being held after each successful massacre. George Washington finally suggested that only one day of Thanksgiving per year be set aside instead of celebrating each and every massacre. Later Abraham Lincoln decreed Thanksgiving Day to be a legal national holiday during the Civil War -- on the same day he ordered troops to march against the starving Sioux in Minnesota.

This story doesn't have quite the same fuzzy feelings associated with it as the one where the Indians and Pilgrims are all sitting down together at the big feast. But we need to learn our true history so it won't ever be repeated. Next Thanksgiving, when you gather with your loved ones to Thank God for all your blessings, think about those people who only wanted to live their lives and raise their families. They, also took time out to say "thank you" to Creator for all their blessings.

www.manataka.org/page269.html

[Tosh]

I will not be celebrating Thanksgiving thank you very much, genocide is hardly a cause to celebrate.

Shame on you all, do the Germans have a Holocaust celebration ?

[roygrip]

So much of our history is bloody. So much of everyone's history is bloody. The above was taken from an American Native Indian site. We all have slants. There's your version, my version, then there's the truth. Truth is Weltz wouldn't be printing in the comfort of her home from her computer if.......

Soooooo. Thanksgiving is a time of reflection for all to be thankful for. A time for family, friends, and thanks to whatever, whomever. In my case to God, my family, my friends. Me, the son of Italian immigrants, (who had nothing to do with any indian persecution) The son of italian immigrants (us italians got beat up and conquered by everyone ;D) I feel for ya indians Happy Thanksgiving all.

[gavinsnana]

Nov 22, 2011 9:32:05 GMT -5 roygrip said:

So much of our history is bloody. So much of everyone's history is bloody. The above was taken from an American Native Indian site. We all have slants. There's your version, my version, then there's the truth. Truth is Weltz wouldn't be printing in the comfort of her home from her computer if.......
Soooooo. Thanksgiving is a time of reflection for all to be thankful for. A time for family, friends, and thanks to whatever, whomever. In my case to God, my family, my friends. Me, the son of Italian immigrants, (who had nothing to do with any indian persecution) The son of italian immigrants (us italians got beat up and conquered by everyone ;D) I feel for ya indians Happy Thanksgiving all.

Very true Roy.. Glad you said it and not me. Enjoy Thanksgiving!

There is so much to be THankful for.

[Deleted]

Nov 22, 2011 9:28:44 GMT -5 Tosh said:

I will not be celebrating Thanksgiving thank you very much, genocide is hardly a cause to celebrate.

Shame on you all, do the Germans have a Holocaust celebration ?

The Germans lost. The rest of us celebrate their surrender. It's the Victory Day celebration.

[gavinsnana]

[Tosh]

The Germans lost. The rest of us celebrate their surrender. It's the Victory Day celebration.

I see you missed my point, nevermind.

[Deleted]

I see you missed my point, nevermind.

I got your point. If the Germans had won there would be a Holocaust Day. They'd call it something warm and fuzzy but they would celebrate it.

[Tosh]

I got your point. If the Germans had won there would be a Holocaust Day. They'd call it something warm and fuzzy but they would celebrate it.

Yep, history as Roy pointed out, is written by the winners.

[Deleted]

Besides that, Thanksgiving in Canada is different. First we celebrate it at the right time, in October when there are no other holidays. Second we don't attach it to anything. We don't have Pilgrim stories or anything like that. It's just a day for family to get together and over eat.

[Tosh]

. Second we don't attach it to anything.

Interesting concept, celebrating and giving thanks for nothing.

[Deleted]

I don't thank anyone for anything! Everything I have I got with my own blood, sweat and tears!! In fact, people should be thanking ME for even associating with them!!!

[MittenKitten]

Thanksgiving is a time to be grateful for what we have and what others sacrificed so we are where we are now. History is filled with wrong doings and bloody wars. Unfortunately none of us can change the past but we can change our futures.

Now since my family will be here it is also a time of lots of wine in order to survive. Hopefully no bloody wars will break out in home home!

[Tosh]

I don't thank anyone for anything! Everything I have I got with my own blood, sweat and tears!! In fact, people should be thanking ME for even associating with them!!!

You catch, kill, pluck and cook your own wild Turkey !!

Impressive if not a little scary.