This guy worries me..just the way I feel

[deziloooooo]

No I did not vote for the man..I know he was a decorated soldier..there are a lot of us in that bracket but his rhetoric bothered me when he was campaigning , even though he made sure his bases were covered with many of his constuents who normally are of the other party.
However, over all I didn't think he would be a resonable voiced representative in Congress , there to work together to tackle our many problems that at times would mean compromising with the opposition to find common ground.
This man scares me..even though I know he is finding support outside his area..as a new leader and one to have more clout.
I still feel the same about him, even more strongly in fact.
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"Allen West: Left Uses Arizona Tragedy to Muzzle Conservatives
Wednesday, 12 Jan 2011 01:06 PM Article Font Size
By Charles J. Little

A rookie Florida lawmaker and Iraq war veteran known for his combative style says the Arizona shootings won't change the way he talks, according to the "Post on Politics" blog of the Palm Beach Post. Rep. Allen West, a tea party-backed Republican and former Army officer, says the calls for a general cool-down of political rhetoric are more about partisanship than public safety.

"In tough times, we have to use a little bit of stronger language when you start talking about the future legacy of my country,” West said.

West, who made the comments at a breakfast on Tuesday morning with South Florida business leaders, said that, if security increases at future constituent meetings, "It's not so much about my protection. It's about your protection. I want to make sure that you can come out in a free and safe environment

[BeenThere...DoneThat...]

...he isn't alone... this is much like the article I posted yesterday... and does beg the question, when do we ratchet down our rhetoric, and when do we not?

[workpublic]

I want to make sure that you can come out in a free and safe environment

you'll just have to be strip searched and have your belongs ransacked first. ;D

[handyman2]

Reminds me of a quote by President Kennedy when he was criticized for being so open to the public.
Quote: ( If someone is serious about wanting to assassinate me they can get it done and nothing can stop them). As we found out very true.
West seems to be saying that he will not change his style out of fear. As Churchill said (We have nothing to fear but fear it's self). You cannot think clearly if you live in fear. Sounds like a strong person to me.

[deziloooooo]

Jan 13, 2011 13:02:49 GMT -5 handyman2 said:

Reminds me of a quote by President Kennedy when he was criticized for being so open to the public.
Quote: ( If someone is serious about wanting to assassinate me they can get it done and nothing can stop them). As we found out very true.
West seems to be saying that he will not change his style out of fear. As Churchill said (We have nothing to fear but fear it's self). You cannot think clearly if you live in fear. Sounds like a strong person to me.

It's one way of looking at it.

I don't need some one being macho in his rhetoric to show his strength however.

While he was a commander of a unit engaged in combat , the macho in a commander, also looking out for his people, which he did, is one thing.

When the uniform is put away and you don the suit of a elected representative to be responsible for leading the nation , the military part is given to those in uniform, the troops , their commanders and beyond civilian over site , direction and investigation, the macho is left to them .

I am looking for reasonableness, thoughtfulness, constructive criticism, ideas to improve and fix, from those wearing that , civilian, suit.

I am familiar with Rep Wests rhetoric and one of his big planks was to change the leadership in Washington, primarily the President, first priority, most important priority and I believe he has his sights set for higher office, the Senate , possible even higher, and he will do and say anything that will gain him national support thus support for that goal as soon as possible.

To me , as I said, he worries me.

[floridayankee]

Jan 13, 2011 12:32:56 GMT -5 deziloooooo said:

No I did not vote for the man..

I thought you were in the Naples area. If so, I believe that would make you District 25. Allen West is the rep for District 22. That would likely be the reason you didn't vote for him.

[ChiTownVenture]

Didn't Allen West play Batman?

[deziloooooo]

Jan 13, 2011 13:42:56 GMT -5 floridayankee said:

Jan 13, 2011 12:32:56 GMT -5 deziloooooo said:

No I did not vote for the man..

I thought you were in the Naples area. If so, I believe that would make you District 25. Allen West is the rep for District 22. That would likely be the reason you didn't vote for him.

Correct..margate, LOL, he still worries me. Sure you might like him , but not for me.

[floridayankee]

Jan 13, 2011 13:52:10 GMT -5 deziloooooo said:

Correct..margate, LOL, he still worries me. Sure you might like him , but not for me.

You must be a racist.....



Just kidding dezi.....just kidding.

Anyway, he's not in my district so I never bothered to learn much about him. Like him or not, either way, there's really not much either of us can do about it since we have no voice (vote) there.

[BeenThere...DoneThat...]

<<< I didn't think he would be a resonable voiced representative in Congress , there to work together to tackle our many problems that at times would mean compromising with the opposition to find common ground. >>>
<<< one of his big planks was to change the leadership in Washington, primarily the President, first priority, most important priority and I believe he has his sights set for higher office, the Senate , possible even higher, and he will do and say anything that will gain him national support thus support for that goal as soon as possible. >>>

...well, you say he worries you, but the only two things that you mentioned as "objectionable" were these two... is that right? and is this dude the only suit, iyo, who would fit those descriptions?

[deziloooooo]

been there -- no there were more, you might want to google him..

I know he is a brand new Congressman ..I suggest he is a very ambitious one , you will be hearing more from him, believe out of conrext for the amount of clout he would normally have for a first time Congressman in the months to come.

I am looking and hoping for more from legislatures then their prime objective and focus is to remove the Potus from office. They should have the country's problems and their own district concerns as their first goal, especially first term.

IMO anyway.

[Deleted]

I kind of hate to say this but believe it's true. (Yes, I know it's going to sound callus). The truth is that one nut killing a few people won't really change anything. There will be some knee jerk reactions & maybe an over board law or two pasted but in the long run nothing will really change. (Didn't Congress pass the Brady law after he was shot? It didn't prevent this, now did it?)

There are a lot of unhappy people out there & the nuts are just the first ones that react. What will be bad is if someone who knows how to kill people gets into the act. I would point out that during the war (II) there were snipers that killed hundreds of people before they were caught & that's with a whole army trying to get them (& we have better weapons now). Just something to think about.

[jkapp]

Jan 13, 2011 12:56:13 GMT -5 workpublic said:

I want to make sure that you can come out in a free and safe environment

you'll just have to be strip searched and have your belongs ransacked first. ;D

Oh, so it will be just like going to the airport then...eh, no biggee

[deziloooooo]

Jan 13, 2011 19:56:02 GMT -5 @oldtex said:

I kind of hate to say this but believe it's true. (Yes, I know it's going to sound callus). The truth is that one nut killing a few people won't really change anything. There will be some knee jerk reactions & maybe an over board law or two pasted but in the long run nothing will really change. (Didn't Congress pass the Brady law after he was shot? It didn't prevent this, now did it?)

There are a lot of unhappy people out there & the nuts are just the first ones that react. What will be bad is if someone who knows how to kill people gets into the act. I would point out that during the war (II) there were snipers that killed hundreds of people before they were caught & that's with a whole army trying to get them (& we have better weapons now). Just something to think about.

That part is true I am afraid,
However in the immediate, I believe you will see legislation adding security to elected officials, especially Congressional people, less of these "side walk " town hearings, laws passed that no weapons at political rallies and gatherings, less mingling with elected officials and their constituents, more screening in halls, smiler to the air port possible, police presence called for at gatherings, and other security ideas floated around. Possible illegal threatening verbal or by insinuation, the hand folded to resemble a gun pointed at a person.

Boy we sure could use those Bush tax cuts , let them expire about now couldn't we. All that money for all this new security .

[lakhota]

dezi, I think Allen West is a VERY scary dude! Do you remember Joyce Kaufman?



www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/09/joyce-kaufman-allen-west-chief-of-staff_n_781178.html

www.examiner.com/political-buzz-in-west-palm-beach/allen-west-backs-joyce-kaufman-despite-radical-comments-school-lockdown


Actually, I think Allen West is a lunatic!

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

AZ had nothing to do with politics, nothing to do with the level or the tone of the debate-- all this talk is just right out of the far left obamacrat handbook / talking points. When President Obama referred to his political opponents as his "enemies"- were you worried? When President Obama said, "If they bring a knife, we'll bring a gun" in reference to his political opponents, did that concern you?

It's a free (for now) country. People can say what they want. Get over it.

[upstatemom]

Jan 15, 2011 8:57:50 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

AZ had nothing to do with politics, nothing to do with the level or the tone of the debate-- all this talk is just right out of the far left obamacrat handbook / talking points. When President Obama referred to his political opponents as his "enemies"- were you worried? When President Obama said, "If they bring a knife, we'll bring a gun" in reference to his political opponents, did that concern you?

It's a free (for now) country. People can say what they want. Get over it.

Good points, its more of the do as I say not as I do. Its OK for Obama to say things because he is never held responsible, if anyone calls him on it, they are called racist

[deziloooooo]

Jan 15, 2011 9:06:21 GMT -5 Lady Gaga Gaga Snerd said:

The entire Democratic Party "scares me". I is just "how I feel". BAN THEM!

They should , and now that you brought it up..you have been noticed...you are now on their list.{tsk,tsk}

you in trouble now man...big time

[Value Buy]

Jan 13, 2011 13:52:10 GMT -5 deziloooooo said:

Jan 13, 2011 13:42:56 GMT -5 floridayankee said:

I thought you were in the Naples area. If so, I believe that would make you District 25. Allen West is the rep for District 22. That would likely be the reason you didn't vote for him.

Correct..margate, LOL, he still worries me. Sure you might like him , but not for me.

Deziloooo, man, you should have qualified your statement, "you would not have voted for the man even if you could".
Your original statement made it sound like you had a choice about it, and stood up for your political beliefs, rather than you could not vote for him.
Sounds like kind of like a "little to the left" pro-leftist revisionism on your part.

[Value Buy]

Deziloooo, when you moved into the Naples area, did they know you were a little to the left?
I always thought that was rightwing territory.

[marjar]

Jan 15, 2011 9:04:37 GMT -5 Lady Gaga Gaga Snerd said:

People shouldn't be afraid of "rhetoric". But, indeed should be very afraid of a lack of "rhetoric". Given the choice, we need MORE heated rhetoric, debate, discourse, outrage, and disagreeableness.

Without a doubt. Our children should grow up hearing less than flattering rhetoric. They need to know how to sling mud, toss insults, and blame the other guy. Civil discourse for the purpose of constructive debate is a thing of the past.


Said with tongue in cheek.

[deziloooooo]

Jan 15, 2011 11:07:51 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Jan 13, 2011 13:52:10 GMT -5 deziloooooo said:

Correct..margate, LOL, he still worries me. Sure you might like him , but not for me.

Deziloooo, man, you should have qualified your statement, "you would not have voted for the man even if you could".
Your original statement made it sound like you had a choice about it, and stood up for your political beliefs, rather than you could not vote for him.
Sounds like kind of like a "little to the left" pro-leftist revisionism on your part.

Sorry , just noticed your post , didn't mean to ignore you, and your right , should have qualified, stand corrected, "me bad" ,

[deziloooooo]

Jan 15, 2011 11:09:14 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Deziloooo, when you moved into the Naples area, did they know you were a little to the left?
I always thought that was rightwing territory.

Not where I am , though there is a mix of both , but think leans left..