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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Oct 2, 2011 10:13:28 GMT -5
I'm old enough to have spent a good number of years living under so-called Blue Laws: when Sundays were for church and/or family and/or hangovers. Stores were closed, bars were closed, and people pretty much stayed at home. Now I realize times have changed and I will admit that I too have -- gasp! -- shopped on Sunday, but Sunday MORNINGS are still sacred to me. I like to chill and read the paper and drink coffee in my PJs while the guys usually sleep in. In other words, I am not usually prepared to entertain unexpected visitors or answer early phone calls from the kids' friends. But, apparently, I am the only one who thinks that way. For example, I spent some time over the past year or so training some of the kids' friends not to call or show up spontaneously before noon. I didn't think that was such an odd request -- wouldn't other parents welcome the same peace one morning a week? -- but it appears not many of the younger generation are familiar with the notion that Sunday mornings are sacred. Nevertheless, I held my ground with humor and grace and we seemed to have set that boundary. But, at 10:45 this morning a strange van parked on my street and unloaded 3 or 4 Cub Scouts to come knocking at my door selling popcorn. I didn't recognize even one of the kids. Really? Am I alone thinking that decent people don't disturb others (absent an emergency or prior plan or precedent) before Noon on Sunday? And, no, I didn't buy any popcorn. Not because they came so early, but because the kids used to sell popcorn and we could never buy it becausenof their anaphylactic food allergies. And I was really nice to the gap-toothed kindergartner who made the lisp-filled, adorable sales-pitch. So, can my kids call or come over unexpectedly to your house this morning? ?
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Post by lurkyberk on Oct 2, 2011 10:23:50 GMT -5
I like a peaceful, quiet sunday morning too with no disturbances (and yes, until at least noon) But, unfortunately sometimes things happen. Personally, I hate hearing landscapers in my neighbors yard so damn early!
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Oct 2, 2011 10:25:21 GMT -5
I miss the quiet, relaxed Sundays too when stores (and even malls) were closed, and people took the day to do something fun with their families, prepare a nice Sunday dinner to sit and enjoy together before the busy work-week ahead. (Does anyone make a big deal out of a nice"Sunday dinner" anymore?)
Now it's all hustle and bustle and no "day of rest", it seems.
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Post by Bluerobin on Oct 2, 2011 10:26:42 GMT -5
Don't bother me before noon on any day! Also don't knock on my door to sell me anything. The first thing I am going to do is ask for your solicitation permit. I pay enough in taxes to support your kids, don't expect me to pay for their extra curricular stuff too.
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Post by Cheesy FL-Vol on Oct 2, 2011 10:30:07 GMT -5
I wouldn't have even bothered answering the door, as I can't stand solicitation, regardless of who or what it is for.
That said, I do prefer quiet on Sundays, and for the most part it is, but I also prefer to be at the store to do my weekly grocery shopping within an hour after the store opens at 7:30, just because our store is just horrendously busy from about 10 am on, and I can't stand being in the store crowded with mindless people not paying attention to where they stop the cart, zooming through the store with their cart without regard to paying attention to others coming around the corner, or people with a whole passel of their brats running around all over. Once I get home from morning shopping, I like the rest of the day for us.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2011 10:34:56 GMT -5
I have a problem with door to door sales, regardless of the time of day.
That said, I have no particular issue with Sunday mornings. Sometimes I like to run errands and get them out of the way so I can have a relaxing Sunday evening, so I get frustrated when stores aren't open before noon.
I remember when we weren't allowed to call our friends during the "dinner hour" because that was rude. I still have the instinct, but I have no idea what the hell the "dinner hour" is anymore. Do people eat at 6? 7? 8? I usually take the lazy way out and send text messages, hoping they don't have their phone at the dinner table.
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Post by Jake 48 on Oct 2, 2011 10:40:17 GMT -5
When the kids were home we always did Sunday dinner, didn't matter if it was pizza, dinner was at 4, be there. I won't mow the lawn till after 9am on a Sunday out of respect for my neighbors who want to sleep in, getting ready for church etc.. I would like to see the stores closed on holidays, what does it take to plan for it.
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Post by Apple on Oct 2, 2011 12:04:30 GMT -5
Our Sunday mornings are quiet too. That's when I sit on the couch and go through the Sunday ads with a cup of coffee (ticks me off when the paper doesn't get here on time--should be here by 9:30). I wouldn't mind if DS had a friend over, but those that used to come over have moved away.
I don't answer the door when someone is trying to sell stuff (food/junk/religion) no matter what day, or time, it is.
I also try not to call at dinner time, so I try to do before 5:00 or after 7:30, and no later than 9:00. I hate when people call me early and they don't need to. I rarely manage to sleep in anymore and when I do I don't want to be disrupted--weekend nights I leave my cell phone in the living room on silent.
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Oct 2, 2011 12:15:07 GMT -5
I'll respond to a couple of posts at once:
I'll leave the "no solicitation" discussion for another thread although I will say that I don't usually mind NEIGHBORHOOD kids selling for school/sports fundraisers. I don't always buy, but there are so few opportunities for kids to develop sales/business social skills that I will usually listen to the spiel at least. I had a paper route as a kid and had to collect weekly from my customers and occasionally solicit new customers. It was a huge learning experience that kids today don't have access to anymore. So, I support local fundraising. But, adult solicitors are a whole 'nother subject. Oh, and while I sometimes support other kids' fundraisers, I don't send my own kids door-to-door. Too many weirdos out there, LOL. But, hey, if other parents want to send their own kids out...
Besides wanting to supportive to my young salesmen, I also answered the door because my nearly floor-to-ceiling family room windows that face the driveway confused them and they were knocking hard on all my windows, LOL. I just wanted them to stop -- too early for all that commotion! (Apparently, the open gate leading to my back door wasn't obvious enough for them, LOL.)
Finally, I have no problem with people getting errands done on Sunday morning. I'm not trying to mandate quiet mornings at home. Heck, many Sunday mornings we are up and out ourselves to church and Sunday school or sports. But none of that involves disturbing someone else's brief peace, kwim?
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Post by TD2K on Oct 2, 2011 12:15:40 GMT -5
Bobbing for Apple Oooo, what an interesting name
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 2, 2011 12:20:13 GMT -5
"I spent some time over the past year or so training some of the kids' friends not to call or show up spontaneously before noon."
You got your kids' friends trained. Now all you have to do is train the rest of the world.
"But, at 10:45 this morning a strange van parked on my street and unloaded 3 or 4 Cub Scouts to come knocking at my door selling popcorn. I didn't recognize even one of the kids. Really?"
A parent was driving the van. It may be the only day available to him/her to help the Cub Scouts. Cut the world some slack.
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Oct 2, 2011 12:21:24 GMT -5
Bobbing for Apple Oooo, what an interesting name ;D At least you waited until after Noon to take this Sunday thread into the gutter, LOL.
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Post by weltschmerz on Oct 2, 2011 12:34:40 GMT -5
I won't mow the lawn till after 9am on a Sunday out of respect for my neighbors who want to sleep in, getting ready for church etc.. -------------------------- 9? NINE? That's still in the middle of the freaking night!
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Post by Apple on Oct 2, 2011 12:36:26 GMT -5
Bobbing for Apple Oooo, what an interesting name ;D
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Oct 2, 2011 13:02:07 GMT -5
"I spent some time over the past year or so training some of the kids' friends not to call or show up spontaneously before noon." You got your kids' friends trained. Now all you have to do is train the rest of the world. "But, at 10:45 this morning a strange van parked on my street and unloaded 3 or 4 Cub Scouts to come knocking at my door selling popcorn. I didn't recognize even one of the kids. Really?" A parent was driving the van. It may be the only day available to him/her to help the Cub Scouts. Cut the world some slack. Wow, someone woke up too early this morning. And I did cut them slack. As my OP said, I was really nice to the kids. Just because the adult driving them is, IMHO, thoughtless doesn't mean I should or would take it out on the kids. Heck, I didn't even take it out on the guy in the van. But, that doesn't mean his assumed busy schedule supersedes my desire for peace and quiet in the comfort of my own home on a Sunday morning, LOL. It's not like I was at the mall asking everyone to be quiet, LOL.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Oct 2, 2011 13:12:03 GMT -5
It's not just the loss of peaceful Sunday mornings though, all these young whippersnappers are constantly driving through the neighborhood in their obnoxiously loud automobiles too. What was wrong with getting around on horseback? It was quieter, didn't disturb folks, and you had time to reflect and whatnot while you rode into town. Darn kids these days...
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Oct 2, 2011 13:16:58 GMT -5
You must be channeling your parents - they probably said the same thing about your generation when you were one of those young whippersnappers.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Oct 2, 2011 13:19:09 GMT -5
I still am one of those whippersnappers. My parents were born in the sixties. I'd have to channel my grandparents at least to remember a time when cars weren't ubiquitous.
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Oct 2, 2011 13:33:13 GMT -5
I can also recall quiet Sundays, blue laws, most stores closed (a few corner groceries were open Sundays) and family and friends visiting. I liked those days, but given today's very different demands - both parents working, often more than two jobs between them, more electronic mobility and less geographic closeness between families, I recognize that the "good old days" are likely not coming back.
I dislike solicitations, whether they are at my office or at my door, but I know they happen. Sometimes it's pressure from the schools, or other fundraising organizations, that lead parents and kids into it, whether they want to or not. I know the downside of these is that not as much money goes to the fundraisers as ought. Bottom line: I know how to say "no" and be firm, but nice. If it's a cause I like, but I don't want the merchandise, I will make a monetary contribution without a purchase. That way, I don't have unnecessary food or clutter in my house, and the kids have a donation.
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Post by bring in the new year on Oct 2, 2011 14:10:21 GMT -5
I won't mow the lawn till after 9am on a Sunday out of respect for my neighbors who want to sleep in, getting ready for church etc.. -------------------------- 9? NINE? That's still in the middle of the freaking night! On a Sunday, that is the middle of the freaking night for at least half my neighbors. The other half have been up for hours. Although around here, almost no one does anything like mowing the lawn on Sunday. That's usually Saturday mornings. Sundays are pretty quiet. Having said that all that, go ahead. I can sleep through almost anything.
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Post by weltschmerz on Oct 2, 2011 14:43:59 GMT -5
Our bars close at 03h00, and then a lot of people go to La Banquise, Circus After Hours or Dunn's to eat. We usually find our way home by 05h00. A neighbour running his lawnmower at 09h00 would piss me off to no end.
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Post by Jake 48 on Oct 2, 2011 16:44:50 GMT -5
You would love my neighborhood, we have a rooster at the house across the street that crows during the night
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Oct 2, 2011 16:53:01 GMT -5
You would love my neighborhood, we have a rooster at the house across the street that crows during the night And no one has "choked that chicken" yet? Seriously, I went to Key West a couple years ago. Nowhere in any of the guidebooks I used to plan our vacation did it mention the free-roaming Key West roosters. We drove down from up north and arrived absolutely exhausted in the middle of the night looking forward to a really good night's sleep at an expensive resort (got a deal!). As soon as our heads hit the pillows the roosters started. AAAARRRRGGGGHHHHH. We just thought someone in the nearby residential neighborhood had a couple backyard chickens. When we found out that those little buggers have free rein of the island and are protected, we "insisted" that we get an ocean-front room away from the street and the neighborhood. Now I have an owl's nest outside my window. We don't have AC so the Who Who Who Whooos come in loud and clear in the middle of the night. Hmmmm, I'm noticing a trend here. I DO like my stretches of peace and quiet, LOL.
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Post by femmefatale on Oct 2, 2011 17:16:20 GMT -5
I can also recall quiet Sundays, blue laws, most stores closed (a few corner groceries were open Sundays) and family and friends visiting. I liked those days, but given today's very different demands - both parents working, often more than two jobs between them, more electronic mobility and less geographic closeness between families, I recognize that the "good old days" are likely not coming back. I dislike solicitations, whether they are at my office or at my door, but I know they happen. Sometimes it's pressure from the schools, or other fundraising organizations, that lead parents and kids into it, whether they want to or not. I know the downside of these is that not as much money goes to the fundraisers as ought. Bottom line: I know how to say "no" and be firm, but nice. If it's a cause I like, but I don't want the merchandise, I will make a monetary contribution without a purchase. That way, I don't have unnecessary food or clutter in my house, and the kids have a donation. Nancy, your avatar is making me crave chocolates.
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Post by Artemis Windsong on Oct 2, 2011 18:57:10 GMT -5
Just plain rude to disturb Sunday morning.
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Post by tskeeter on Oct 2, 2011 19:08:54 GMT -5
I think Sunday as a rest and family day went away as two income families became more common. Weekend days, including Sunday, are now devoted to chores that used to be handled by the SAHS during the week.
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Post by ❤ mollymouser ❤ on Oct 2, 2011 19:13:46 GMT -5
I was awakened this morning by screeching western scrub jays. Darn birds. They didn't seem to care that it was Sunday, or that I have a No Soliciting sign on my front door. ;D
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Post by tiredturkey on Oct 2, 2011 19:59:43 GMT -5
We get up at 5:30 on Sundays in order to enjoy our coffee and conversation before church at 7:30. Breakfast at 9 or so with friends, followed by grocery shopping. Laundry and paper from 10:30 - 12:30 unless the Texans kick-off at noon. I don't welcome anyone at my door, especially during this election season. Here's the picture-I am not going to buy it, vote for it or sign a petition for it-GO AWAY.
We were up yesterday a.m. at 5 for the Komen Race for the Cure-that's about 1 hour behind our 4 a.m. wake-up during my horse show days. And I haven't been able to teach our cat about alarm clocks so it doesn't matter; he runs on pet-me now time.
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Post by teen persuasion on Oct 3, 2011 10:24:48 GMT -5
So, can my kids call or come over unexpectedly to your house this morning?? Sorry, we wouldn't even be home on Sunday mornings. We are out the door at 8:10 for 8:30 mass, or an hour earlier if the kids are in the choirloft on first Sundays/Holidays. Soon as mass is over we have to skedaddle to the "other church" for Rel Ed (consolidation of parishes linked ours w/ another in a different county, and we are the secondary one). I go grocery shopping while class is going on, as long as I have to be in that town/county. I run into lots of other parents from "our" parish doing the same thing: hit Tops first rather than wait for Aldi to open at 10am, zip around quickly, hit Aldi, zip around quickly, rush back to pick up the kids by 10:45. Hope there isn't some other event we have to attend as well. Go home and unload groceries. Do brunch for the kids. Then we can relax, unless there is a family party/picnic/dinner planned. On those Sundays, we've got to get going right after a quick lunch so we have time for the long drive there and back again at the end of the day.
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Post by thyme4change on Oct 3, 2011 10:47:11 GMT -5
Frankly - I'm done with the whole "Sunday morning is special" mentality. My kids have a limited amount of time for themselves. They don't get off the school bus until 4:30, and they have activities - which they love - but if they want to play with their friends and everyone is available at 9 am on Sunday, why not? I'm not going to force them to sit around and read and press on them that they need to "relax" in a way my grandparents said was appropriate. I guess they could still play with friends, but only if we make arrangements days in advance.
Nope - we aren't those people. First off, on the west coast football starts at 10 am. We usually have at least one neighbor pop in for a cup of coffee and to watch a bit of Red Zone. Our door is always open to family and friends.
About shopping - I HATE blue laws. Just because you want to go to church, I can't go grocery shopping and pick up beer or wine. So, basically, because you believe God hates drinking on Sunday morning, I can't buy beer for Tuesday night. It is so incredibly lame. I get plenty of relaxation time. I prefer to relax in the evenings. But since I can't take my one free morning and go to the grocery store, I am forced to take time away from my relaxing time and grocery shop at 9 pm on Monday night - just so Friday evening we can have a glass of wine with dinner. If you don't like that the stores are open on Sunday - well, then, don't go to the store on Sunday morning. How does that even affect you?
I think everyone should do what they want. I also believe that they should create a doorbell with an "off-switch" and then if you are so controlling that your schedule applies to boy scouts and friends, you may go ahead and turn off your doorbell and your phone and do whatever you like without forcing your children's friends to withstand a training course.
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