Limbaugh: Loughner Has 'Full Support' Of Dem Party

[billisonboard]

Jan 11, 2011 19:34:51 GMT -5 @oldtex said:

I said it about the Dems & now I get to say it about the Repubs.....To try to make Brownie points (or get votes) using something like this is just LOW CLASS & of very poor taste.

You say that as if those are bad things.

[billisonboard]

Wasn't it Adlai Stevenson who said, "I would rather be high class and have good taste than be President"? #idunno#

[lakhota]

Well, I certainly don't wish to see the Second Amendment repealed under any circumstances, but it would be good to have serious mental evaluations before anyone is allowed to own a gun. However, no matter how strict laws would become for gun ownership, there would always be ways around them if a nut really wants a gun. At least getting one could be made less convenient.

[billisonboard]

Jan 11, 2011 19:47:09 GMT -5 @lakhota said:

Well, I certainly don't wish to see the Second Amendment repealed under any circumstances, but it would be good to have serious mental evaluations before anyone is allowed to own a gun. However, no matter how strict laws would become for gun ownership, there would always be ways around them if a nut really wants a gun. At least getting one could be made less convenient.

How do you have a "right" to own a gun and a requirement before one is "allowed" to own a gun?

[lakhota]

How An Armed Hero Nearly Shot The Wrong Person

William Saletan at Slate offers up a cautionary tale about allowing more people to carry guns, and how gun-carrying citizens -- who may have the best intentions -- could make such situations worse.

He notes that many gun rights advocates are pointing to Joe Zamudio, who was in a nearby pharmacy -- armed -- when the shooting began. He rushed over and helped subdue the killer:

But before we embrace Zamudio's brave intervention as proof of the value of being armed, let's hear the whole story. "I came out of that store, I clicked the safety off, and I was ready," he explained on Fox and Friends. "I had my hand on my gun. I had it in my jacket pocket here. And I came around the corner like this." Zamudio demonstrated how his shooting hand was wrapped around the weapon, poised to draw and fire. As he rounded the corner, he saw a man holding a gun. "And that's who I at first thought was the shooter," Zamudio recalled. "I told him to 'Drop it, drop it!' "

But the man with the gun wasn't the shooter. He had wrested the gun away from the shooter. "Had you shot that guy, it would have been a big, fat mess," the interviewer pointed out.

Zamudio agreed:

I was very lucky. Honestly, it was a matter of seconds. Two, maybe three seconds between when I came through the doorway and when I was laying on top of [the real shooter], holding him down. So, I mean, in that short amount of time I made a lot of really big decisions really fast. … I was really lucky.

Zamudio has no professional or military training with weapons. He also, according to the Arizona Daily Star, didn't initially pull out his own weapon because he was afraid of being confused as a second gunman.

www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/11/jared-loughner-family-statement_n_807703.html#203_how-an-armed-hero-nearly-shot-the-wrong-person


NOTE: I saw this young man in a live interview. He seemed like a good guy; someone I'd be proud to know. However, he did come dangerously close to shooting the wrong person, and if he had - his normal life would have ended abruptly. I believe that is a critical ingredient that is ignored by many who are carrying weapons openly or concealed. The dangers of mistakes and liability are enormous.

[vonnie6200]

Yep and there are even more stories out there where only the perps had weapons and there were numerous casualties

[lakhota]

Is There a Right to Own a Gun?

home.sprynet.com/~owl1/guncontrol.htm

[deziloooooo]

"Wolff was right. Instead of hurting sales, the massacre had the $499 semi-automatic pistols -- popular with police, sport shooters and gangsters -- flying out the doors of his Glockmeister stores in Mesa and Phoenix."
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It's nice to see that the reports of citizens of that State are not as bad off as has been reported...at $500 per, thats a nice thing to see that discetionary spending of the citizenery there is so alive, to bad they didn't pick a irem made in the states, I think that's a foreign product, but the retailers are benefitting and the State too, the sales tax.

[Deleted]

How do you have a "right" to own a gun and a requirement before one is "allowed" to own a gun?

The ammendment itself uses the term WELL REGULATED!

Lots of things we have the right to do ... as long as we don't infringe upon the rights of others... assuring we have the skill, mental capacity, etc. to use a gun assures that our right to gun ownership is less likely to infringe upon the rights of others to... i don't know, keep breathing...

[Deleted]

Lots of gun deaths in AZ because are are a border state over run with illegals, human smugglers, and drug runners, in addition to your average crimes.
Lakhota.... I've always liked you in some strange way, but I still wonder if you are an automated program.
Cool that you started your own thread about this, though, to post your links.
Peace.

[❤ mollymouser ❤]

[Thinking-long-term]

Jan 11, 2011 17:25:09 GMT -5 @lakhota said:

Sales In Glock Pistols Up After Arizona Shootings

Hey, everyone. Not to unnerve you, but apparently, days after a madman went on a murdery rampage with a Glock in Arizona, Arizonans are heading to gun stores in droves to purchase the very same weapon used by Jared Lee Loughner. It's as good an example as anything to demonstrate that there really is no such thing as bad publicity, only an inplacable, gnawing cynicism that permeates our existence and sends us, sobbing, into a fetal position.

Michael Riley from Bloomberg News documents how we at last have stimulated some aggregate demand in something!

After a Glock-wielding gunman killed six people at a Tucson shopping center on Jan. 8, Greg Wolff, the owner of two Arizona gun shops, told his manager to get ready for a stampede of new customers.

Wolff was right. Instead of hurting sales, the massacre had the $499 semi-automatic pistols -- popular with police, sport shooters and gangsters -- flying out the doors of his Glockmeister stores in Mesa and Phoenix.

"We're at double our volume over what we usually do," Wolff said two days after the shooting spree that also left 14 wounded, including Democratic Representative Gabrielle Giffords, who remains in critical condition.

Of course, this is nothing new, nor is it a localized oddity:

One-day sales of handguns in Arizona jumped 60 percent on Jan. 10 compared with the corresponding Monday a year ago, the second-biggest increase of any state in the country, according to Federal Bureau of Investigation data. From a year earlier, handgun sales ticked up yesterday 65 percent in Ohio, 16 percent in California, 38 percent in Illinois and 33 percent in New York, the FBI data show, and increased nationally about 5 percent.

Federally tracked gun sales, which are drawn from sales in gun stores that require a federal background check, also jumped following the 2007 massacre at Virginia Tech, in which 32 people were killed.

No corresponding data detailing how sales of DEMON WEED are proceeding in the wake of this weekend's tragedy, but one has to imagine that they're up, if only because so many people maybe want to dull the pain that comes when you realize that you are surrounded by gun-crazy maniacs.

www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/11/arizonans-flock-up-the-bl_n_807517.html

The uptick is due to the Libs talking about Gun control again, sales of "Assault weapons" went through the roof right before you twits passed that piece of garbage legislation.

[Thinking-long-term]

Jan 11, 2011 19:32:52 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

"I am a strong proponent of the Second Amendment."

And I want to see it legally repealed instead of this silly half-assed "gun control" that has no real positive effect and seriously violates the Amendment. Repeal the right to own guns and then set up serious requirements that make individuals show that they should be allowed to own them.

Hell why stop there why dont we just start at the First Amendment and work our way through.

[chiver78]

Jan 11, 2011 21:04:14 GMT -5 Thinking-long-term said:

Jan 11, 2011 17:25:09 GMT -5 @lakhota said:

Sales In Glock Pistols Up After Arizona Shootings

Hey, everyone. Not to unnerve you, but apparently, days after a madman went on a murdery rampage with a Glock in Arizona, Arizonans are heading to gun stores in droves to purchase the very same weapon used by Jared Lee Loughner. It's as good an example as anything to demonstrate that there really is no such thing as bad publicity, only an inplacable, gnawing cynicism that permeates our existence and sends us, sobbing, into a fetal position.

Michael Riley from Bloomberg News documents how we at last have stimulated some aggregate demand in something!

After a Glock-wielding gunman killed six people at a Tucson shopping center on Jan. 8, Greg Wolff, the owner of two Arizona gun shops, told his manager to get ready for a stampede of new customers.

Wolff was right. Instead of hurting sales, the massacre had the $499 semi-automatic pistols -- popular with police, sport shooters and gangsters -- flying out the doors of his Glockmeister stores in Mesa and Phoenix.

"We're at double our volume over what we usually do," Wolff said two days after the shooting spree that also left 14 wounded, including Democratic Representative Gabrielle Giffords, who remains in critical condition.

Of course, this is nothing new, nor is it a localized oddity:

One-day sales of handguns in Arizona jumped 60 percent on Jan. 10 compared with the corresponding Monday a year ago, the second-biggest increase of any state in the country, according to Federal Bureau of Investigation data. From a year earlier, handgun sales ticked up yesterday 65 percent in Ohio, 16 percent in California, 38 percent in Illinois and 33 percent in New York, the FBI data show, and increased nationally about 5 percent.

Federally tracked gun sales, which are drawn from sales in gun stores that require a federal background check, also jumped following the 2007 massacre at Virginia Tech, in which 32 people were killed.

No corresponding data detailing how sales of DEMON WEED are proceeding in the wake of this weekend's tragedy, but one has to imagine that they're up, if only because so many people maybe want to dull the pain that comes when you realize that you are surrounded by gun-crazy maniacs.

www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/11/arizonans-flock-up-the-bl_n_807517.html

The uptick is due to the Libs talking about Gun control again, sales of "Assault weapons" went through the roof right before you twits passed that piece of garbage legislation.

is that like the overweight chum going on "one last bender" before getting back on the wagon?

I'd venture these people are those that thought about it, and then figured they ought to go get their guns while they still could. I highly doubt any of these people would have been denied under any stricter gun control measures. those that are looking to cause riots and such generally do not wait for legislature to hint at restricting their access before procuring weapons.

[sesfw]

'and why they’re hiding from the media.'

If this was your son and you were devastated, what would you do?

[formerexpat]

You're five times more likely to die from a gun in Arizona than Hawaii.

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I'm guessing Hawaii doesn't share a border with Mexico...

Separate out the murders due to this issue and you'll understand why Arizona did what they did with its legislation.

[lakhota]

Joe Wilson 'You Lie' Slogan Etched Onto Line Of Assault Rifle Components



Rep. Joe Wilson's (R-S.C.) health care-era "you lie" interruption of President Obama is now reportedly being commemorated with a place on a new, limited edition line of assault rifle components.

The Columbia Free Times reports that the words are being engraved on a series of lower receivers manufactured for popular AR-15 assault rifles. Lower receivers are one of the primary pieces of the firearms.

"Palmetto State Armory would like to honor our esteemed congressman Joe Wilson with the release of our new 'You Lie' AR-15 lower receiver," the weapon manufacturer's site writes on the product description. "Only 999 of these will be produced, get yours before they are gone!"

Wilson caused a commotion in September of 2009 when he disrupted a key health care speech by Obama in which the president claimed that the impending health care reform legislation wouldn't provide coverage for undocumented immigrants.

The South Carolina Republican later apologized.

Also check out South Carolina blog Fits News for more on the commemorative gun units, as well as how they could play into Obama's planned visit to the Palmetto State later this year.

WATCH Joe Wilson's "You Lie": www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/11/joe-wilson-you-lie-assault-rifle_n_807644.html

[formerexpat]

I guess this is okay?

[privateinvestor]

Rush Limbaugh reacted to the instantly infamous mugshot of Jared Lee Loughner, the suspected gunman in the Arizona shooting, by saying that the reason Loughner is smiling in the picture is because he knows he is backed by the Democratic Party.


Limbaugh may have a point if you watched Chris Matthews last night on MSNBC he devoted almost the entire hour for his show trying to make the case that Sarah Palin pushed this mentally fragile individual over the edge and drove him to perform the Tuscon Tragedy. And surprisingly all of his guests agree wholeheartedly with that nonsenses...so Limbaugh is pointing out that the Democratic Party Pundits do back him but by how much without all the evidence is not clear. The Sheriff from Lima County was also highlighted again last night and tried to imply it was Palin's responsibility to denounce her cross hairs campaign ad that she refuse to do that could have contributed to this carnage in Tuscon last Saturday.

Bleeding Hearts Liberals will always blame somebody when they see an opportunity..that is their mantra..

[rockon]

Full support might be a stretch but they certainly are supporting him at least indirectly by blaming talk radio, Palin, Beck and just about anybody except the killer for his own actions. Ironically I have yet to hear the same people blame words from their own party as part of the problem. Did they forget that the leader of the free world recently used words like "public enemy" and "hostage takers" to describe his opposition in a public speech. The anger and distrust being built between our citizens and our elected officials is much more largely related to the corruption going on within our government and the way they (including the liberal media) cover it up. Recent examples include Tom DeLay and Charlie Rangle. These people should be condemned for their actions but instead our president stands up and defends Rangle's great years of service.

[billisonboard]

Jan 11, 2011 21:25:04 GMT -5 Thinking-long-term said:

Jan 11, 2011 19:32:52 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

"I am a strong proponent of the Second Amendment."

And I want to see it legally repealed instead of this silly half-assed "gun control" that has no real positive effect and seriously violates the Amendment. Repeal the right to own guns and then set up serious requirements that make individuals show that they should be allowed to own them.

Hell why stop there why dont we just start at the First Amendment and work our way through.

If you wish for that, then it is responsibility as an American citizen to work towards that change. I personally do not see any reason to repeal the other amendments.

[floridayankee]

Jan 11, 2011 17:03:24 GMT -5 @lakhota said:

He won't tone down his inflammatory rhetoric because he makes a fortune keeping his zombies enraged.

Irony?

[EVT1]

Jan 11, 2011 20:02:00 GMT -5 @lakhota said:

How An Armed Hero Nearly Shot The Wrong Person

William Saletan at Slate offers up a cautionary tale about allowing more people to carry guns, and how gun-carrying citizens -- who may have the best intentions -- could make such situations worse.

He also, according to the Arizona Daily Star, didn't initially pull out his own weapon because he was afraid of being confused as a second gunman.

Very good point- just recently a plainclothes officer was shot by fellow officers as they came on scene and saw a man pointing a gun- who was breaking up a fight. Tough call- while you are trying to do the right thing you might end up in jail, sued or shot- I for one am not going to pull my pistol and run at a crowd of people if I hear gun shots- I will take cover. The gun rights zealots need to stick with the self defense cases- this one doesn't work. And also a good point- the liability follows the bullets- he could have not only shot the wrong guy-but missed and hit someone else- if anything the CCW classes need to have a lot more training on this point- too many people itching to be heros out there.

[lakhota]

YIKES, more insanity from the right...

Trent Franks: 'I Wish There Had Been One More Gun' In Tucson



Freshman Rep. Trent Franks (R-Ariz.) said Wednesday that he wishes one additional person had possessed a firearm in Tucson on Saturday, presumably to use on Jared Lee Loughner.

"I wish there had been one more gun there that day in the hands of a responsible person, that's all I have to say," Franks said at a briefing, according to Politico.

The argument that more firearms would result in greater security -- especially in cases such as the one over the weekend -- has been a common argument for gun-rights activists, bolstered by headlines such as this.

Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) came to such a conclusion in a recent interview, claiming that "if there had been guns there for people to defend themselves with, perhaps the carnage could have been less."

But as William Saletan wrote for Slate, there is often a fine line between success and catastrophe. In this case, Joe Zamudio, the armed man (with no proper weapons training) who helped stop the shooting spree, may only have subdued the alleged shooter -- instead of shooting an innocent bystander -- by chance:

That's what happens when you run with a firearm to a scene of bloody havoc. In the chaos and pressure of the moment, you can shoot the wrong person. Or, by drawing your weapon, you can become the wrong person--a hero mistaken for a second gunman by another would-be hero with a gun. Bang, you're dead. Or worse, bang bang bang bang bang: a firefight among several armed, confused, and innocent people in a crowd. It happens even among trained soldiers. Among civilians, the risk is that much greater.

We're enormously lucky that Zamudio, without formal training, made the right split-second decisions. We can't count on that the next time some nut job starts shooting. I hope Arizona does train lawmakers and their aides in the proper use of firearms. I hope they remember this training if they bring guns to constituent meetings. But mostly, I hope they don't bring them.

www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/12/trent-franks-one-more-gun_n_808259.html

[Deleted]

I used to watch & listen to Rush. Every now & then he did have some valid points that I totally agreed with. Many times though his points were so far out there that he looked like a total nut job. Then there were the times when he took his valid points & pushed them to the extreme & that also made him look like a total nut job. I stopped watching him because as I got older I found that I have a much harder job digesting "nuts" than I used to. I also gave up jalapenos.

[floridayankee]

Jan 14, 2011 15:09:08 GMT -5 @toughtimes said:

Gasp! How could you Tex? Never give up on jalapenos.

I gave 'em up too. They're great going down....it's the next morning I can't handle.

[Deleted]

YIKES, more insanity from the right...

Trent Franks: 'I Wish There Had Been One More Gun' In Tucson


My wife and I are both licensed for concealed carry. I would of been more than willing to be that one extra gun, if just to save that little girls life. If my "gun control" was extra good that day maybe others could be saved too.

[handyman2]

The problem with one more gun in the room is that there may have been more people dead.
I believe in the right to own a gun. The problem with a shoot out is the odds go up that the wrong people will get hit. Just ask a seasoned police officer who has been in a true gun fight what the reactions of the human mind is in a high stress situation and ask in these situations what is the accuracy rate for a trained police officer of putting all their shots into the target. Now invision what a citizen that has fired maybe 5oo rounds on a range but never under stress would have in being accurate in their aim.
You hit the wrong person you live with it. It is easy to kill with a gun but for the average person it is a lot harder to live with especially if it is an innocent. And just for the record I am a long time NRA member but I also see the hazards to the general law abiding citizenry of a wild west mentality.

[Deleted]

Gasp! How could you Tex? Never give up on jalapenos.


I ran out of the medication that I take for reflux 2 days ago. Last night I ate NOTHING with any spice in it (& still ate a couple of tums). The medication arrived in the mail today & I sucked one down asap. Hopefully by tomorrow I can eat good food again.

[formerexpat]

There was another guy there that was carrying a gun; one of the guys who tackled and held down Loughner. He said he thought about pulling it out and using it but he had concern about his ability to shoot the target rather than an innocent bystander.

He said he's a good shot and everything but there's a bit of responsibility there if you're going to make the decision to pull your gun in a crowd like that and take action.