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Post by Tosh on Oct 25, 2011 8:22:52 GMT -5
The relevance of this comment escapes me, come again ?
Are you suggesting Jesus ascended to heaven on the Starship Enterprise ?
Has someone left a door unlocked ?
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Post by Shirina on Oct 25, 2011 8:24:20 GMT -5
Do those paintings look like horses, chariots, boats, and other common forms of transportation?
What the ancients could NOT do was describe what they saw using technological jargon like we can today. Therefore, you're not going to find stone tablets or ancient scrolls actually using words like "spacecraft, UFO, alien beings, exotic propulsion system, etc." This is what you're looking for, but you're not being at all fair.
What the ancients COULD do is draw or paint pictures ... and quite often, what they describe does not match what they painted. We do the same thing even now; we use our language in a descriptive rather than a factual fashion. That's why so many call disk-shaped objects as "flying saucers." Are they really dishes flying around? Of course not, but since everyone knows what a saucer looks like, guess what. The same principle holds true.
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Post by Tosh on Oct 25, 2011 8:25:42 GMT -5
Don't forget the video clips. ;D
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Post by mmhmm on Oct 25, 2011 8:30:28 GMT -5
Yes, and I sneaked in, stole the silverware and mutilated the draperies. More care in future will prevent further mischief on my part ... maybe.
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Post by mmhmm on Oct 25, 2011 8:31:51 GMT -5
I don't care what he wants! SPARE ME!
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Post by Tosh on Oct 25, 2011 8:40:32 GMT -5
If someone saw a man sitting in a stealth bomber in the 14th century then they probably would have bloody mentioned it, get real.
Odd craft in sky = UFOs = a slippery slope logical fallacy, and you know it.
PRIMITIVE HUMANS ATTACHED SPIRITS TO ALL NATURAL OBJECTS, THE SPIRIT WORLD WAS A COPY OF THE NATURAL WORLD, DO THE MATH.
Cave painters did not paint alien spacecraft, they painted unidentified flying objects, I repeat the objects are unidentifiable.
Why do you reject the obvious for the ridiculous, what is the standard archaeological explanation, is it alien technology or is it human ingenuity ?
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Post by mmhmm on Oct 25, 2011 8:42:17 GMT -5
*whew* Thanks, Rick. I was just about ready to gouge out my eyes with a spoon! Seriously, folks, I cannot believe this thread is still trudging onward. For those of you who are believers in the Christian God, have any of you changed your stance one iota? For those of you who are believers in other Gods, have you changed your stance? Finally, for those of you who do not believe in a diety (or, dieties), do you now believe? Is that a resounding "NO!" I hear? Of course it is!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2011 8:42:31 GMT -5
I have a question for those who believe in Von Daniken's theories. Do you think that these "intelligent beings" will return? It looks like we have pictures from the 1100's, 1300's and 1600's. If they show up every couple hundred years or so then they're overdue for a visit, right?
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Post by mmhmm on Oct 25, 2011 8:48:58 GMT -5
Heh. Okay, Rick. I can see that. Entertainment isn't easy to find these days, I suppose, and each person finds entertainment in different types of things. Enjoy!
While we're on the subject of UFOs, anybody remember the insect swarm theory? Quite an interesting phenomenon.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2011 8:51:41 GMT -5
Riiiiight.....
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Post by Tosh on Oct 25, 2011 8:53:14 GMT -5
Painters use their imagination to paint, who says the painter was copying anything ? Creative people are creative, this is not proof of bloody alien spacecraft, I am going to have a seizure soon, I can feel it.
The ancients invented many weird and wonderful myths and concepts, and managed to put them all in words.
Eh ? What ? Humans painted Unicorns, do Unicorns exist or have they ever existed ?
No.
I may need to go and lie down, between Trekkies and Creationists I am living in an asylum.
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Post by gavinsnana on Oct 25, 2011 8:56:51 GMT -5
Hello Texas, My primary objection surrounds the corrupted moral message these snake oil salesmen are selling, and my objections are shared by the vast majority of the Christian faith who consider it blasphemy and idolatry. Worshiping God for material rewards is a false hope from a false promise, these people are nothing but charlatans and opportunists. In my most humble opinion. I understand, but The Osteens do NOT fit in the "snake oil" salesmen. I only say this because I know them. They are good people. He will never ask for money or preach to you that you have to give. We all know you should, its in the Bible and thats between you and God. I know first hand what they do for people here and around the world. Thanks!
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Post by Tosh on Oct 25, 2011 8:57:55 GMT -5
Nurse !!!
Nurse !!!
;D
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2011 8:58:34 GMT -5
What? ETA: I would like to know more about his theories. It's all news to me and I'd like to make an informed opinion without having to read too much.
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Post by Tosh on Oct 25, 2011 9:01:13 GMT -5
regards David Koresh.
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Post by gavinsnana on Oct 25, 2011 9:02:54 GMT -5
If he were only "in it" to spread the word of the lord then he wouldn't be asking for donations. He doesnt
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Post by Tosh on Oct 25, 2011 9:03:26 GMT -5
I can. ;D I had faith. In me. .....and in human nature.
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Post by Shirina on Oct 25, 2011 9:18:22 GMT -5
And if you were a native of the 14th century, how would you describe a stealth bomber to another native of the 14th century? Keep in mind, you can't actually use the words "stealth bomber" or any other words not known in the 14th century.
And odd craft in the sky thousands of years before the invention of flying craft is not at all a slippery slope.
Is this because disk-shaped meteors, comets, and bright stars were very common back then?
What's ridiculous about it? There's no "paranormal" involved here.
So you think it's just a coincidence that some of the craft depicted or described are actually aerodynamically sound? Or that they match up with modern sightings?
LOL! Sticking a horn on a horse and calling it a unicorn doesn't even approach the level of sophistication needed to imagine piloted flying vehicles that just so happen to look exactly like modern UFO sightings.
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Post by mmhmm on Oct 25, 2011 9:18:55 GMT -5
Oh, I know YOU can, Tosh! ;D
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Post by Tosh on Oct 25, 2011 9:20:27 GMT -5
Texas,
Call 1-800-278-0520 or visit their website JoelOsteen.com
He does.
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Post by Shirina on Oct 25, 2011 9:23:24 GMT -5
These are the best kinds of threads, for me at least. They trudge onward because there is no easy answer. This same thread survived almost two years on the old MSN UK board (until it closed), and created a lot of discussion about everything from God to poetry, from the nature of consciousness to - as you're seeing now - extraterrestrials. Even now, most of those same people are still posting together.
I guess I could ask the same question about the multitude of those "good morning, good night" threads that seem an ubiquitous part of message boards - why do those trudge forward for tens of thousands of pages?
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Post by Tosh on Oct 25, 2011 9:35:42 GMT -5
Shirina,
According to you there have been alien spacecraft popping back and forward to earth like yo-yos for millenia, all based on some fuzzy wuzzy paintings and some fuzzy wuzzy logic.
It would be a 4000 year round trip from the nearest galaxy travelling just under the speed of light, they are not popping in to use the toilet.
Both the paintings and the bible are not evidence of the existence of UFOs or God.
Unexplained or miraculous events are not evidence of the existence of UFOs or God.
I agree with Stephen Hawking, if aliens do visit earth their technology will be so advanced we better run and hide.
Be careful what you wish for.
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Post by mmhmm on Oct 25, 2011 9:38:31 GMT -5
These are the best kinds of threads, for me at least. They trudge onward because there is no easy answer. This same thread survived almost two years on the old MSN UK board (until it closed), and created a lot of discussion about everything from God to poetry, from the nature of consciousness to - as you're seeing now - extraterrestrials. Even now, most of those same people are still posting together. I guess I could ask the same question about the multitude of those "good morning, good night" threads that seem an ubiquitous part of message boards - why do those trudge forward for tens of thousands of pages? Heck, Shirina, I don't understand why the latter type of threads continue, ad infinitum, ad nauseam, either. Yet, they do, just as this type of thread meanders onward. I will agree that interesting bits do, occasionally, present themselves; however, they're usually buried in drivel before they have the opportunity to elicit more than a passing glance. Alas and alack. That's the nature of internet message boards.
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Post by mmhmm on Oct 25, 2011 9:39:10 GMT -5
Shirina, According to you there have been alien spacecraft popping back and forward to earth like yo-yos for millenia, all based on some fuzzy wuzzy paintings and some fuzzy wuzzy logic. It would be a 4000 year round trip from the nearest galaxy travelling just under the speed of light, they are not popping in to use the toilet. Both the paintings and the bible are not evidence of the existence of UFOs or God. Unexplained or miraculous events are not evidence of the existence of UFOs or God. I agree with Stephen Hawking, if aliens do visit earth their technology will be so advanced we better run and hide. Be careful what you wish for. Bugs. Yep. Bugs.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2011 9:39:51 GMT -5
True. If you want a linear story you'll have to read a book on the interesting bits.
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Post by Tosh on Oct 25, 2011 9:42:20 GMT -5
Seems like a lovely alien. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2011 9:46:08 GMT -5
And anyone that does not believe the same as you is a sinner in your book.
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Post by femmefatale on Oct 25, 2011 9:49:51 GMT -5
Here is some more fodder for you Mr Tosh. I'M SURE you have an Opinion on Joyce also Why didn't You stick this on my thread Mr. Rick? I love all of Joyce's stuff.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2011 9:50:01 GMT -5
I can. ;D I had faith. In me. .....and in human nature. And so it goes. There is a perfectly benign thread for god lovers yet the god lovers come here, why is that? Are they trying to convince the non believers? I think not, it seems to me that a tiny logic seed was planted in their brains and now they have to convince themselves that all the magical stories and heavy cash collecting is based on something that may contain an iota of truth.
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Post by femmefatale on Oct 25, 2011 9:50:28 GMT -5
Peeking in to say hi to Tosh and everyone.
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