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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2011 12:54:44 GMT -5
I am surprised about the Midwestern people. I truly thought "Church Culture" was a Southern thing. You really do learn something new every day!
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Post by Tosh on Oct 24, 2011 13:00:27 GMT -5
We evolved from a common ancestor with primates, the fossil and DNA records confirm tis, where do you plan to squeeze advanced ancestors into the equation ?
Our spirits do not exist without them, therein lies the clue, genes and environment are the human spirit.
Our primitive ancestors attached spirits to everything because they knew nothing, I thought these days were long gone, seemingly I was over optimistic.
Lonewolf, why do you believe in all of this stuff , what evidence has convinced you that your beliefs are true ?
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Post by Tosh on Oct 24, 2011 13:03:26 GMT -5
You missed the meeting, I have answered all your questions, please read back.
If you have any more questions you wish to ask me then feel free to do so, you seem to be in need of a lot of answers.
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Post by Tosh on Oct 24, 2011 13:06:21 GMT -5
Really !!
My twitch has returned.
What persuades you this story is true ?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2011 13:07:48 GMT -5
Thanks Joey for posting those pictures. I've been studying them for years. My DH and I have had many debates as to why the different races have such different physical features. Our beliefs are miles apart. I too have an interest in these "Ancient Aliens" as well as the missing link debate. There are so many artifacts, buildings and structures that simply could not have been built with the primitive tools that were available in the time of the Mayans etc.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2011 13:09:01 GMT -5
I wonder if they show Tosh.0 in Britain, Daniel Tosh shows some funny videos. img.yoddl.com/images/08041615511214549262.jpg [/img] That is all. Carry on. I was going to get into a diatribe about those who push creationism as a science, but thought better of it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2011 13:10:03 GMT -5
[/img] That is all. Carry on. I was going to get into a diatribe about those who push creationism as a science, but thought better of it.[/quote] Don't think next time. Just do it.
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Post by Tosh on Oct 24, 2011 13:16:47 GMT -5
I disagree, I do not believe there is anything mysterious about our early civilizations, I read decades ago a lot of cods-wallop by Erich Von Daniken, he is a complete fraud.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2011 13:20:10 GMT -5
Really !! My twitch has returned. What persuades you this story is true ? EXHIBIT A:
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2011 13:21:40 GMT -5
lol @ Devo!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2011 13:24:52 GMT -5
I disagree, I do not believe there is anything mysterious about our early civilizations, I read decades ago a lot of cods-wallop by Erich Von Daniken, he is a complete fraud. Scientific sacriledge!!!...Chariots of the gods - CODS WALLOP! How dare you. ps. History Channel doesn't lie.
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Post by Tosh on Oct 24, 2011 13:28:57 GMT -5
There is a British lunatic making millions telling people we are all descended from alien lizards, there are a lot of gullible people out there.
They worry me, I have to walk among them.
His name is David Icke, he used to be a sports commenator on tv and then turned up wearing a purple track suit claiming to be some messia figure, very strange man, rich but strange.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2011 13:33:58 GMT -5
Question...What is cods wallop? If I descended from a lizard I'd be much better at catching flies. Silly man that.
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Post by Tosh on Oct 24, 2011 13:34:31 GMT -5
I believe all his claims were debunked in the 80's.
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Post by Tosh on Oct 24, 2011 13:35:51 GMT -5
Gobbledegook.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2011 13:39:20 GMT -5
I believe all his claims were debunked in the 80's. Perhaps we could call that the first edition, soon to be improved upon. Based on a true story.
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Post by weltschmerz on Oct 24, 2011 13:50:30 GMT -5
I would LOVE to give it a try, though! (I have Scottish ancestry ;D). Lol! I'm Russian. My people have pure vodka running through their veins.
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Post by Shirina on Oct 24, 2011 13:59:00 GMT -5
Nope, they weren't. It's a common debunker tactic to paint with broad brushes. You have to remember that the validity of a lot of Ph.Ds are riding on the hope that Von Daniken is wrong, and so is a lot of grant money. The art of debunking is as political as a session of Congress. Therefore, if it can be shown that a person like Von Danikan was wrong just once, established academicians will crawl through broken glass to ensure that people think every last theory of his was wrong.
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Post by Tosh on Oct 24, 2011 14:00:08 GMT -5
Indeed, there is one interesting mystery from the Bronze Age, they seemed to be aware of the cosmological cycle, the age of the bull ( Taurus), the age of ram ( Aries ) , the age of fish ( Pisces) and the future age of water ( Aquarius). Each star system age is approx 2,000 odd years but to know the correct order would necessitate knowledge of a 26,000 year cycle.
The age of the bull began 4000 bce which would place this cosmological cycle mapping at least 30,000 bce, in the Cro Magnon ??
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Post by Shirina on Oct 24, 2011 14:02:20 GMT -5
It's not just an elephant, it's a 500 ton megalithic elephant that even modern cranes can't move.
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Post by femmefatale on Oct 24, 2011 14:10:33 GMT -5
Peeking in to say hi, lonewolf.
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Post by Tosh on Oct 24, 2011 14:15:55 GMT -5
There is no missing link just transitional fossils of primates to Australopithecus to Hominids to Humans, plus a gradual process of brain enlargement and tool use, culminating in art and abstract thought, all driven by environmental changes.
I had an OBE when I was 11, it is not evidence of an external spirit, your consciousness is physical, we can measure the activity of billions of electrochemical neurons and synapses.
100,000 years ago we evolved full cognizance, we awoke in a world full of causes and effects, we did not know any causes, we attributed each effect to unseen agents and called them spirits. I do dismiss primitive voodoo lightly and I suggest my beliefs on reality make the most sense, you live your daily life within the laws of physics you reject.
The evidence you quote is accepted evidence of human evolution, nothing to do with aliens or spirits. The concept of a spirit came from our misinterpretation of our dreams, we ignorantly believed our dreams were real and an external entity traveled about while we slept. All of the earliest religions are based on dreams and ancestor worship, we modeled the spirit world copied from the natural world.
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Post by Tosh on Oct 24, 2011 14:21:21 GMT -5
Shirina,
please provide evidence, science conspiracy theories are beneath you, his work is not accepted by mainstream science because it is pseudo science.
Give me his best revelation and I bet you I can dismantle it and drink a bottle of Vodka at the same time.
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Post by Tosh on Oct 24, 2011 14:26:59 GMT -5
Eh ?
How many glasses of wine have you had, Chariots of the Gods is a children's fairy tale.
I give you the same challenge, give me your best shot at any example of his myths, it has been decades since I researched this, I did not realize people still believed his tripe.
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Post by weltschmerz on Oct 24, 2011 14:30:15 GMT -5
Our original DNA was compromised, thus the missing link. ----------------------- I believe they found the missing link. May 19, 2009—Meet "Ida," the small "missing link" found in Germany that's created a big media splash and will likely continue to make waves among those who study human origins. In a new book, documentary, and promotional Web site, paleontologist Jorn Hurum, who led the team that analyzed the 47-million-year-old fossil seen above, suggests Ida is a critical missing-link species in primate evolution (interactive guide to human evolution from National Geographic magazine). (Among the team members was University of Michigan paleontologist Philip Gingerich, a member of the Committee for Research and Exploration of the National Geographic Society, which owns National Geographic News.) The fossil, he says, bridges the evolutionary split between higher primates such as monkeys, apes, and humans and their more distant relatives such as lemurs. "This is the first link to all humans," Hurum, of the Natural History Museum in Oslo, Norway, said in a statement. Ida represents "the closest thing we can get to a direct ancestor." Ida, properly known as Darwinius masillae, has a unique anatomy. The lemur-like skeleton features primate-like characteristics, including grasping hands, opposable thumbs, clawless digits with nails, and relatively short limbs. news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/05/090519-missing-link-found.html
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Post by Tosh on Oct 24, 2011 14:50:40 GMT -5
What are you talking about ? What tools did they use that we can not replicate ?
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Evidence, no more hypotheses, I want to see evidence, show me the money !!
Our ancestors had the knowledge of a 7 year old, they had not even discovered what true meant.
Paleontology studies of existing primitive tribes in Africa, Amazon, Papua New Guinea and Australia give us a mirror into the past.
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Post by Tosh on Oct 24, 2011 14:56:00 GMT -5
I get this old chestnut daily, my dear we are talking about post science not natural philosophy, the earth was believed to be flat, it was never proven to be flat, it was proven to be round using scientific methods.
The flat earth is an argument for science not against it, we replaced your precious beliefs with knowledge of what exists, spirits and alien visitors do not exist because there is no evidence to support this claim.
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Post by Shirina on Oct 24, 2011 14:58:03 GMT -5
Then it would have to be accepted that a lot of archaeology is pseudoscience since both Von Daniken and mainstream archaeologists rely heavily on interpretation and speculation rather than facts.
To an archaeologist, almost everything in the ancient world is seen through the lens of religion - as if the ancients did nothing all day except worship things. A good example is when they try to debunk elephant carvings on an Aztec pyramid. The archaeologists claim they are "supernatural beings." But they don't know that for certain - they can't even tell you what supernatural being it is or what it's supposed to represent. It's just a lot safer to assume it's just some mystical religious symbol.
But there are old paintings that very obviously depict UFOs, saucers, and flying craft that look as if they leaped right off a Hollywood sci-fi screen. There is no ambiguity as to what these paintings depict ... and some of the craft even have pilots.
Ancient science fiction? No. The reason is because there is no progression. To suggest that people living in the Bronze Age, or even the medieval period dreamed about spacecraft that are actually aerodynamically feasible doesn't make any sense.
An example would be the old story by Jules Verne called From the Earth to the Moon. Verne did not write about sophisticated spacecraft, or even rockets, blasting off to the moon. Instead, the craft that went to the moon was essentially an over-sized bullet fired from an over-sized gun. In other words, science fiction is science fiction, not pure fiction and not fantasy. Science fiction is always rooted in scientific principles. Even Star Trek, as "far out" as it is, can be traced to our current understanding of how the universe works - warp travel is theoretically possible.
Our ancient ancestors did not have enough scientific knowledge to be painting aerodynamically functional spacecraft with all the parts in the right places.
To me, this suggests a higher-order knowledge that they simply should not have had.
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Post by Tosh on Oct 24, 2011 14:59:54 GMT -5
Your beliefs are not evidence, they are unsupported hypotheses.
There is no magical transformation in the fossil or tool record, we did not just arrive from outer space.
There is a documentary series being shown in the UK called " Origins are us ".
Watch it and learn about evolution.
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Post by Shirina on Oct 24, 2011 15:01:46 GMT -5
Which is precisely why they shouldn't have been painting pictures of spacecraft on their walls and tapestries.
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