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Post by pig on Mar 23, 2011 9:16:53 GMT -5
LOL Bleach is just an oxidizing agent. If you ban oxidizing agents the modern world as we know it would cease to exist.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2011 9:23:29 GMT -5
That's good to know because I was wondering how I was going to get my towels nice and bright!
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Post by pig on Mar 23, 2011 9:28:33 GMT -5
Try paint Fam glossy works best.
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Post by jarhead1976 on Mar 23, 2011 9:32:54 GMT -5
"The modern world as we know it would cease to exist" It just might pig. One chlorine atom can destroy over 100000 ozone molecules Cl + O3 > ClO + O2 to ClO + O3 > Cl + 2 O2 and so on and so on
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2011 9:33:20 GMT -5
I drink bleach. It is fine.
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Post by jarhead1976 on Mar 23, 2011 9:35:30 GMT -5
Bleach the Philly office of revenue ,Archie..what a nightmare trying to do business has become. Good luck
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2011 9:35:35 GMT -5
Try paint Fam glossy works best.  No way! I don't want a rough towel to touch my tender tushie!
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Post by pig on Mar 23, 2011 9:37:32 GMT -5
Well then it's a good thing that bleach has zero chance of reaching the ozone layer  In fact it doesn't even last seconds if you it, say, in a pool or pond. Fam the glossy is quite smooth. Stay away from the matte though. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2011 9:37:37 GMT -5
Bleach the Philly office of revenue ,Archie..what a nightmare trying to do business has become. Good luck ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Karma to you! |
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Post by jarhead1976 on Mar 23, 2011 9:44:59 GMT -5
All that science wrong, Ill be damn, thanks pig. I can breath easier already.
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Post by cael on Mar 23, 2011 9:47:42 GMT -5
Um. I think the bleach would be more dangerous than the mold if you used too much of it and didn't ventilate the area. Thing with bleach is, I think it does break down relatively quickly so it wouldn't hang around for people to breathe in for days or anything. Bleach obviously is toxic, you wouldn't want to drink it (Archie ) but if you handle it properly & take precautions, it's quite safe for use I think. Some people may be more sensitive to it than others though. Mold on the other hand is almost always made into a bigger deal by people than it really should be, in my experience with it. Correct your source of moisture, clean the mold, and move on - it won't continue to grow once the moisture source is removed. Again some people are also more sensitive to mold than others, so it does affect people differently. Lots of chemicals are legal that would kill you if you consumed them. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2011 9:53:25 GMT -5
Fam the glossy is quite smooth. Stay away from the matte though.
I'm off to Home Depot.
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Post by pig on Mar 23, 2011 9:55:00 GMT -5
"you wouldn't want to drink it (Archie ) " What? Archie wasn't serious?!? Oh crap. Archie get ready to talk to my lawyer! Jar, Bleach would not reach the ozone layer. You're thinking of HCl that can reach the ozone.....not the same thing. |
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Post by jarhead1976 on Mar 23, 2011 9:58:35 GMT -5
Well then it's a good thing that bleach has zero chance of reaching the ozone layer In fact it doesn't even last seconds if you it, say, in a pool or pond. Matter can not be created or destroyed, it just changes form It goes into the spa as a liquid comes out a gas.... where does it go? |
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Post by pig on Mar 23, 2011 10:19:28 GMT -5
"Matter can not be created or destroyed, it just changes form It goes into the spa as a liquid comes out a gas.... where does it go? "
Well if you're talking about houshold bleach that won't even reach the sewer. Most of it would become soluable salts that are incapable of becoming airborne. Things like NaCl MgCl2 etc.
What your saying is like saying table salt NaCl is destroying the ozone layer.
ETA matter can indeed be destroyed. Where does it go when it becomes energy (which will eventually dissapate?)?
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Post by jarhead1976 on Mar 23, 2011 10:31:05 GMT -5
Do you smell bleach when you pour it in your pool or spa thats gas bro!
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Post by pig on Mar 23, 2011 10:38:40 GMT -5
Yes, but it's so reactive that it does not travel very far.
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Post by jarhead1976 on Mar 23, 2011 10:49:14 GMT -5
"Large increases in stratospheric chlorine and bromine, however, have upset that balance. In effect, they have added a siphon downstream, removing ozone faster than natural ozone creation reactions can keep up. Therefore, ozone levels fall."..... Source EPA
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Post by pig on Mar 23, 2011 10:50:32 GMT -5
LOL you do know that the Cl they are talking about are those in CFCs.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2011 11:01:45 GMT -5
Just back from the store. I bought Ultra Blinding Bright White matte paint for my towels. Thanks for the tip Dr.Pig!
Btw, when I'm cleaning the bathroom with a bleach solution I often pass out and sometimes when I wake up I think I'm someone else. Is this bad? Does that mean my cleaner is too strong?
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Post by jarhead1976 on Mar 23, 2011 11:02:05 GMT -5
And CFC's contain what? Broken down by ultra violet light?
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Post by jarhead1976 on Mar 23, 2011 11:02:59 GMT -5
chlorine free radicals
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Post by pig on Mar 23, 2011 11:10:01 GMT -5
LOL ok so you want me, a chemist, to believe that the chlorine atoms in household bleach end up in plant manufactured chlorinated flouro carbons? That's just ridiculous.
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Post by jarhead1976 on Mar 23, 2011 11:19:10 GMT -5
The thread reads Bleach is toxic! Chlorine evaporates from your pool and spa ! ultraviolet light breaks them down into Cl free radicals. Respectfully DR. Chemist
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Post by pig on Mar 23, 2011 11:27:58 GMT -5
You have no argument from me that bleach is toxic in large amounts. However, the human nose is quite sensitive to Cl and the amounts you are smelling are so minuscule that they are essentially harmless. And those from bleach do not contribute to ozone depletion. The Cl that contributes to ozone depletions comes from the long lived CFC that are in refrigerants and transformers etc. When people talk about Cl and ozone that is the Cl they are referring to. I'll leave it at that. Semper Fi!
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Post by jarhead1976 on Mar 23, 2011 11:31:36 GMT -5
Respects. Always faithful
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Post by Mad Dawg Wiccan on Mar 23, 2011 17:10:27 GMT -5
The best thing is to combine the disinfecting properties of bleach with the cleaning properties of ammonia.
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Post by Jake 48 on Mar 23, 2011 17:21:14 GMT -5
MDW, mixing bleach and ammonia can kill you, I hope you don't actually do this
It will make Chlorine Gas (among other deadly things)
Nitrogen Trichloride (very toxic)
Hydrazine (explosive rocket fuel)
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Post by pig on Mar 24, 2011 8:49:54 GMT -5
I knew someone that did that and ended up in the hospital for 3 days.
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Post by Mad Dawg Wiccan on Mar 24, 2011 12:14:04 GMT -5
MDW, mixing bleach and ammonia can kill you, I hope you don't actually do this It will make Chlorine Gas (among other deadly things) Nitrogen Trichloride (very toxic) Hydrazine (explosive rocket fuel) I know - lame King of the Hill joke. |
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No way! I don't want a rough towel to touch my tender tushie!
In fact it doesn't even last seconds if you it, say, in a pool or pond.
