Look out!

[Value Buy]

The President is talking this morning.
Will have to wait a half hour and see how this will effect the stock markets and jobs growth.....

Oh, and the pmi fell again this morning, from July.....

[Value Buy]

OOhh, a transportation bill, and if it does not get passed the sky will fall!

According to the President......

[Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ]

Here is something on this:

www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/31/obama-transportation-spending-congress_n_943281.html

Obama Pushes Congress On Transportation Spending, Highway Bill

WASHINGTON -- President Barack Obama will make a push for more transportation spending on Wednesday.

The White House says Obama will urge Congress to pass a federal highway bill that he says will protect about 1 million jobs.

At issue is the renewal of a transportation spending bill that expires Sept. 30. The House is considering a six-year, $230 billion bill paid entirely with current fuel taxes. The Senate proposal would last only two years and cost $109 billion.

The president will be joined in the Rose Garden by Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood, AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka and David Chavern, the chief operating officer of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce.

[ed1066]

The White House says Obama will urge Congress to pass a federal highway bill that he says will protect about 1 million jobs.

Wow, they're not even keeping up the pretense that this is anything but a payoff to keep union and government workers under the thumb of the Democratic Party...bold.

[kent]

Aug 31, 2011 10:23:14 GMT -5 @ed1066 said:

The White House says Obama will urge Congress to pass a federal highway bill that he says will protect about 1 million jobs.

Wow, they're not even keeping up the pretense that this is anything but a payoff to keep union and government workers under the thumb of the Democratic Party...bold.

[djAdvocate]

Aug 31, 2011 9:48:50 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

The President is talking this morning.
Will have to wait a half hour and see how this will effect the stock markets and jobs growth.....

Oh, and the pmi fell again this morning, from July.....

there are some positive numbers out there, as well. don't obsess over the negative ones.

[Value Buy]

Aug 31, 2011 10:31:39 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Aug 31, 2011 9:48:50 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

The President is talking this morning.
Will have to wait a half hour and see how this will effect the stock markets and jobs growth.....

Oh, and the pmi fell again this morning, from July.....

there are some positive numbers out there, as well. don't obsess over the negative ones.

I have to.
The President announces a boondoggle for the Unions, then DOJ nixes the ATT merger, killing jobs coming back from overseas.
Market immediately drops on negative business position distributed by this Presidency

[Angel!]

Aug 31, 2011 10:23:14 GMT -5 @ed1066 said:

The White House says Obama will urge Congress to pass a federal highway bill that he says will protect about 1 million jobs.

Wow, they're not even keeping up the pretense that this is anything but a payoff to keep union and government workers under the thumb of the Democratic Party...bold.

Those 1 million jobs aren't all union & govt. We need someway to continue supporting our transportation infrastructure. Whatever the federal govt fails to continue supporting, state, county & city govts are going to have to raise taxes to make up the difference.

Personally, I am a fan of taxes based on mileage tracking.

[Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ]

Those 1 million jobs aren't all union & govt. We need someway to continue supporting our transportation infrastructure. Whatever the federal govt fails to continue supporting, state, county & city govts are going to have to raise taxes to make up the difference.

We already have a funding source and trust fund.

Personally, I am a fan of taxes based on mileage tracking.

Like a govt mandated device placed in your vehicle to track your every move?

[Angel!]

Aug 31, 2011 10:44:00 GMT -5 Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ said:

Those 1 million jobs aren't all union & govt. We need someway to continue supporting our transportation infrastructure. Whatever the federal govt fails to continue supporting, state, county & city govts are going to have to raise taxes to make up the difference.

We already have a funding source and trust fund.

Yes, the current bill is expiring at the end of sept. That is why they are proposing new bills.

Personally, I am a fan of taxes based on mileage tracking.

Like a govt mandated device placed in your vehicle to track your every move?

Yep, you pay for exactly what you use. Everyone pays their fair share.

[Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ]

Yep, you pay for exactly what you use. Everyone pays their fair share.

We already do via per gallon local, state and fed taxes at the pump.
It is troubling that some would be in favor of constant govt monitoring of one's movements.

[Angel!]

Aug 31, 2011 10:48:56 GMT -5 Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ said:

Yep, you pay for exactly what you use. Everyone pays their fair share.

We already do via per gallon local, state and fed taxes at the pump.
It is troubling that some would be in favor of constant govt monitoring of one's movements.

How many gallons you use is related to how far you drive, but not directly correlated to how far you drive, what times you drive, what roads you use, & how much wear & tear you cause the roadways.

It is not really paying your fair share. And most the gas tax is what is set to expire at the end of sept.

[Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ]

How many gallons you use is related to how far you drive, but not directly correlated to how far you drive, what times you drive, what roads you use, & how much wear & tear you cause the roadways.

Do you realize you contradicted yourself roughly three times in one sentence. Wear and tear inflicted by a single vehicle has nothing to do with the time of day one is on the road.


It is not really paying your fair share. And most the gas tax is what is set to expire at the end of sept.

Link please. My fair share? I buy 10 gallons of gas and roughly 50-60 cents per gallon to to taxes to support roads. Sheesh.

[decoy409]

Value Buy, sometimes there is a much BIGGER picture. Behind the scenes let's call it. Food for thought and 'K' to you on a good discussion!

And as I have stated I am not rep. or dem.

Republican Representative (TX-14); previously Libertarian for President

www.ontheissues.org/tx/Ron_Paul_Free_Trade.htm

[ed1066]

Do you realize you contradicted yourself roughly three times in one sentence. Wear and tear inflicted by a single vehicle has nothing to do with the time of day one is on the road.

Not to mention that fact that the so-called "roads" we have here in the worker's paradise of Kalifornia inflict more wear and tear on cars than the other way around...

[Angel!]

Aug 31, 2011 10:59:59 GMT -5 Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ said:

How many gallons you use is related to how far you drive, but not directly correlated to how far you drive, what times you drive, what roads you use, & how much wear & tear you cause the roadways.

Do you realize you contradicted yourself roughly three times in one sentence. Wear and tear inflicted by a single vehicle has nothing to do with the time of day one is on the road.

How wide the roads have to be has everything to do with the time of day that people drive. 2 hours of a day account for about 20+% of traffic on most roads. If possible roads are designed to handle peak hour traffic. Thus if you drive during the peak hour, then you are part of the reason that the road had to be 3 lanes instead of just 2 lanes - which increases not only the cost of building the road, but also the cost of maintaining the road. Thus, in my opinion, what times people drive directly relates to the cost of our transportation infrastructure.

What roads you drive on determines who gets the tax money. Most roads are owned & maintained by a single entity - there are federal highway, state highways, city roads, county roads, private roads. Is it fair that 18.4 cents per gallon you buy goes to the federal govt, if 95% of your driving is done on county & private roads. This would allow the taxes to be based on what roads you drive - thus you are truly paying for what you use.

It is not really paying your fair share. And most the gas tax is what is set to expire at the end of sept.

Link please. My fair share? I buy 10 gallons of gas and roughly 50-60 cents per gallon to to taxes to support roads. Sheesh.

Link on what? Does your 10 gallons go into a prius that gets 45 mpg or a viper that gets 11 mpg? Does the viper really cause 4 times the wear & tear on roads that a prius does? Is it fair the viper pays 4 times as much in gas tax to travel the same distance? What about fully electric cars - is it fair they pay 0 in gas taxes when they still use roads?

[Angel!]

Aug 31, 2011 11:08:31 GMT -5 @ed1066 said:

Do you realize you contradicted yourself roughly three times in one sentence. Wear and tear inflicted by a single vehicle has nothing to do with the time of day one is on the road.

Not to mention that fact that the so-called "roads" we have here in the worker's paradise of Kalifornia inflict more wear and tear on cars than the other way around...

Probably because they don't have enough money to maintain the roads. Expect the problem to get significantly worse if the gas tax isn't at least extended.

[Value Buy]

Ooh, this just in!
President calls for a joint session of Congress next week. Right in the middle of a Republican Presidential debate........

[djAdvocate]

Aug 31, 2011 10:38:57 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Aug 31, 2011 10:31:39 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

there are some positive numbers out there, as well. don't obsess over the negative ones.

I have to.
The President announces a boondoggle for the Unions, then DOJ nixes the ATT merger, killing jobs coming back from overseas.
Market immediately drops on negative business position distributed by this Presidency

no you don't. you choose to. for anyone interested in economics, there are no negative events. quicker money can be made in crisis than in growth.

but whatever. go ahead and get upset, i guess.

[rockon]

Talk about building a bridge to no where. Spending for transportation went up a huge amount while Bush was in office and was a major component of the insane stimulus boon doogle that Obama shoved through. These are in addition to the monies the transportation department already receive from the gas tax. Where is all of this money going? I for one would willing support efforts to maintain a great transportation system along with the associated costs but there has to be some accountability when we continue to increase the budget and yet the infrastructure does not show improvement. It's way past time to stop throwing monies at things without a detailed plan and evidence that it is being used effectively. The most concerning factor of all is that there is no reason to believe that our lack of jobs is due to poor infrastructure. It is much more likely a result of poor trade agreements. These could be fixed at virtually no cost to the tax payer and would improve the manufacturing sector which in turn would provide more money to fix roads.

[Angel!]

Part of the reason more & more money is getting funneled to transportation is that the primary funding source (gas tax) is inadequate. The gas tax hasn't been increased in 20 years & during that time construction costs have skyrocketed & vehicle's mpg has increased. Thus the govt is collecting less money per mile traveled in a time when construction costs have increased several times over. There is no way to keep the same level of maintenance & roadway construction with those factors without additional funds.

[Mkitty is pro kitty]

Not to mention that fact that the so-called "roads" we have here in the worker's paradise of Kalifornia inflict more wear and tear on cars than the other way around...

Next time you drive on the road, if you cross your fingers with both hands and wish upon a roadkill, the Asphault Fairy might just come and fix your roads. ... and later the tax monster was banished and everyone lived happily ever after. The end!

Wow, they're not even keeping up the pretense that this is anything but a payoff to keep union and government workers under the thumb of the Democratic Party...bold.

Not nearly as bold as you whining about how bad the roads are and how the federal highway bill is just some Democratic plot on the same page. Let me guess, if a giant meteorite is hurtling towards Earth, and Obama calls for action, you'll complain that he's only doing it to benefit the members of the rocket building unions or something.

Or maybe you can follow Boehner & Comany's lead on priorities. Our roads are crumbling and we have a stagnate unemployment rate, but hot damn!, we got those NPR and abortion problems fixed in a jiffy! It's celebration time!

Or follow the Tea Party lead. Isn't it a scientific fact that potholes are caused by tax increases? If we cut taxes, they'll magically go away. Huzzah! *dances in the pothole free street*

[wyouser]

who was it said we might well rue the day the trains went away? This was following the passage of the acts creating the I-State system in the 1950's that caused the massive rail pullbacks in the late 60's and 70's.