Worried about a slowing economy? Today?

[Small Biz Owner]

Stocks take 500-point hit; worries about slowing economy cited The Express Times -

Worry about it in Jan 2012, after all the extended Unemployment benefits are discontinued. 7.9 Billion worth a month will disappear from the economy. Stimulus programs are ending.

You ain't seen nothing yet.

[Virgil Showlion]

We really and truly haven't.

[Deleted]

I've seen something.

[Virgil Showlion]

I'm seeing Europe melt down in real time. The contagion is spreading, my fellow Market Talkers.

I saw something too......that the S&P are looking like world class IDIOTS for their down grade as the world piles into US debt for safety and security.

Bond ratings weren't on "the curve" the last time I checked.

[smackdown]

The players seem undaunted in their gambling of other people's money. Notably, the market tanked nearly 500 and is retracing now. The retrace is the Big Funds buying battered stalwarts at what they believe are "bargain" prices. I guess this is what you get when you "trust" a computer program to do your investing. The fact is-- the money in the financial sector (note the broadness of that arena) is now finite with a portion curbing in metals. Bonds cannot pay what was promised because the bond-content isn't realizing any returns. All derivatives are now deeply under objective. In short... there's a point ahead where what gets played in the markets is solely paper without backing or NAKED trading. Didn't we abolish that? Was the ban solely for non Wall Street firms and banks? If my read is correct... we hit a number soon that causes a really big drop likely to 9,000. Almost $1 trillion in phony money evaporates.

The Con is a Bomb and the Bull is full of "it" but not money.

[Small Biz Owner]

Of course if you want AAA you could always buy French bonds.

I only carry AAA. They have great towing. Or you could buy German Bundt bonds, farmer issued in origin. Or better yet, bearer bonds.

[Virgil Showlion]

About what you would expect with a dysfunctional conglomeration of dissimilar countries and cultures pretending to be some sort of a union.

It's also the life's work of an entire generation of politicians and power brokers. They're not going to let their zombified corpse go down easily.

[smackdown]

"the contagion has been there in Europe for the last few years. they have taken no real steps to deal with it"

Untrue. They suckered people like you into buying into their lackluster condition and failure. the "downgrade" only means something if you rely on "grading" for your interpretation of integrity. The S&P has none to me so the rating is worthless. Too many of you THINK you know what you see based on what you read (ratings). You followed losers in. You know what that makes your investments.

[decoy409]

Talking in circles again.

We are Europe,and time is coming down the plank to remind many that simply forgot this and have been sold on independence.

[decoy409]

See ya later! Don't let the door kick ya in the ___ as they say!

[decoy409]

Small Biz Owner, Slowing Economy you say,no problem! Just make it bigger.


The United States Of Europe: A Proposed “Economic Government” Would Integrate Europe To A Degree Not Seen Since The Roman Empire

endoftheamericandream.com/archives/the-united-states-of-europe-a-proposed-economic-government-would-integrate-europe-to-a-degree-not-seen-since-the-roman-empire

We simply took a break is all. Accumulation and being king is cool.

[Small Biz Owner]

Isn't that what Rome did? I thought we were already buying foreign stocks to keep our markets from crashing.

[lifewasgood]

Currency swaps also, but that isn't going to stop the crash, it is as simple as saying fiat currencies. QE3 is just around the corner to save the day or a a a finish the job of destroying the dollar.

Decoy is correct when he states we are Europe. We declared independence fought a few wars and then reunited. No need to inform the American folks of such trivial matters.

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

LOL... You guys say it, and don't even understand it.. If anything, I say anything, because even this is a stretch; it's Europe that is part of the USA.. As in, the USA fought for Independence and grew very big, on its own.

With the help of Canada, saved Europe's ass in WW2, and since then, has spread freedom around the globe... Much to the chagrin of all these crazy dictators that say things like; "the USA is a parasite", or, "the USA's economy is a ponzi scheme".. It's not the Euro that keep things going, and it isn't more control over them, that all these people around the globe are fighting for!!

[lifewasgood]

Canada? You give to much to a country that on a percentage scale gave very little in the effort. Canada could have stayed home and it would not have affected the outcome. As a whole, you fail to realize the Euro-American banking effects on the world. At that level we are still one. At the social political level, the US has moved toward European Philosophy and socialized centralized government control.

We are very close to a one world currency (replacing the USD as world reserve) which will require a one world governance. It is hard to accept it, but in the end only a very small minority will resist and they will be crushed quickly. But then again, most in the world seem to blindly accept it, as long as the US gets taken down a couple notches off its wealth pedestal.

[decoy409]

Life, why Canada is giving something! Why a new market with old Goldman Sachs leading the way.

As far as who is who,just take it back to the key being handed to the Bishop and accepting the 'free for all' roll them over and pick their pockets.

[lifewasgood]

Hmmm, got me on that one ;D

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Aug 20, 2011 10:05:33 GMT -5 @lifewasgood said:

Canada? You give to much to a country that on a percentage scale gave very little in the effort. Canada could have stayed home and it would not have affected the outcome. As a whole, you fail to realize the Euro-American banking effects on the world. At that level we are still one. At the social political level, the US has moved toward European Philosophy and socialized centralized government control.

We are very close to a one world currency (replacing the USD as world reserve) which will require a one world governance. It is hard to accept it, but in the end only a very small minority will resist and they will be crushed quickly. But then again, most in the world seem to blindly accept it, as long as the US gets taken down a couple notches off its wealth pedestal.

LOL, Canada didn't make a difference.. Right.. LOL, Ah the delusions of grandeur that some people have..

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_history_of_Canada_during_World_War_II

We declared war on Germany in 1939, the same time the Joe Kennedy was saying that the Germans have the right to expand their Reich..

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_P._Kennedy,_Sr.

Kennedy rejected the warnings of the prominent Member of Parliament Winston Churchill that any compromise with Nazi Germany was impossible. Instead, Kennedy supported Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain's apparent policy of appeasement in order to stave off a second World War that would be a more horrible "armageddon" than the first. Throughout 1938, while the Nazi persecution of the Jews in Germany and Austria intensified, Kennedy attempted to arrange a meeting with Adolf Hitler.[29] Shortly before the Nazi aerial bombing of British cities began in September 1940, Kennedy once again sought a personal meeting with Hitler, again without the approval of the Department of State, "to bring about a better understanding between the United States and Germany."[30]

I don't fail to realize the link between banks, but if your going to say euro-American you have to add in Asia and the Middle east as well. Since the Second world war, the American Banking system has expanded along with the freedom movement.

Socialism is finished, you just ignore everything that is presented on that topic, and there are enough people in the US that want you guys to fail. To try and blame everyone else for that seem ignorant, especailly when your talking to a guy that believes the American Renaissance is upon us..

[decoy409]

Life, just move the Bishop and have a thought,pre (or just before)French Revolution. As far as ham goes,this pickens started long before that in which is presented.


Ham,no foul directed twords you.

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

LOL, Decoy I know that, remember, I laid out over 2000 yrs of history, and all you did was deflect the conversation. Yet here you are again. Weird huh?

Your talking about this right?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dechristianisation_of_France_during_the_French_Revolution

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult_of_Reason

The official nationwide Fête de la Raison, supervised by Hébert and Momoro on 20 Brumaire, Year II (10 November 1793) came to epitomize the new republican way of religion. In ceremonies devised and organised by Chaumette, churches across France were transformed into modern Temples of Reason. At Notre Dame in Paris was the largest ceremony of them all. The Christian altar was dismantled and an altar to Liberty was installed; the inscription "To Philosophy" was carved in stone over the cathedral's doors. The proceedings took several hours and concluded with the appearance of a Goddess of Reason who, to avoid idolatry, was portrayed by a living woman.[7]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult_of_the_Supreme_Being

But you see the reason that isn't widely known, is because it never really took off. However, God Bless America, with liberty for all, did.. Weird huh?

Fast forward a bit and we see just how well the French plan worked....

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichskonkordat

Hmmm...

Funny thing is, if a couple crazies I know have it their way, a lot of people are going to know how this all went down. Have a good one.

[decoy409]

Ham, yep,pretty crazy. How many today do you actually think have any inclination of what went down? When I use the,'everybody stayed busy,while others worked',this is the stuff I refer to going way back as we are aware of.
The million dollar question Ham is how do you even begin to unmix what has been mixed. This is why I have little hope in the current structure in which has been produced. And that current structure is no diferent,or,'NOTHING has changed' but only grows worse.
The Sham is just that and that is what I truly believe in which I see which is unfolding.

A couple of crazies you know?

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

IDK how many are aware of this situation. Napoleon didn't let the first republic of France last for to long, and then this happened, which is why there is still a Vatican, right?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concordat_of_1801

You only believe nothing has changed, because you don't fully understand why the fruit trees of NY, can also be found in Israel..

[Steady As She Goes]

So I go to the Google Finance Page today and Lo-n-Behold ... I find the TOP story as to why the Markets are in such disarray and why Gold is soaring ........

Kim Kardashian gets married - 20 minutes ago
It's official. Kim Kardashian has landed a husband. E! News reports that the reality TV star wed Kris in a black-and-white themed wedding at the private estate of a Google executive in Montecito, California.

"Well There's Your Problem!!!!!!!"

[bimetalaupt]

Aug 18, 2011 11:13:41 GMT -5 @smackdown said:

"the contagion has been there in Europe for the last few years. they have taken no real steps to deal with it"

Untrue. They suckered people like you into buying into their lackluster condition and failure. the "downgrade" only means something if you rely on "grading" for your interpretation of integrity. The S&P has none to me so the rating is worthless. Too many of you THINK you know what you see based on what you read (ratings). You followed losers in. You know what that makes your investments.

V.L, and A++
Yes and No .. I keep to MMXII system of grading with the system producing the rating of AAA
current rating per numbers is 1.02483426573427
This is down a bit due to the raise in Debt ceiling. . MMXII uses debt ceiling rather then debt as this is the worst number of the two by law.. What we could borrow.. I also use the 10 year T-Note as risk free number for CAPM and to work with ERP ( now about 7%).. Lower stock prices = higher potential future profits.... Fear has driven potential stock market profits for 12 months as well as gold prices. .. math model know no fear only numbers.. No black-swans only M1, M2 and M3!!

Just a thought,
Bi Metal Au Pt

Just a thought,
Bruce

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[bimetalaupt]

Aug 20, 2011 22:13:51 GMT -5 Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger said:

IDK how many are aware of this situation. Napoleon didn't let the first republic of France last for to long, and then this happened, which is why there is still a Vatican, right?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concordat_of_1801

You only believe nothing has changed, because you don't fully understand why the fruit trees of NY, can also be found in Israel..

A++,
It is all about re-treeing the land.. Israel has planted the most trees in the world to re-tree the nation of 1,000 years of deforestation!!.. Now they produce the world best oranges!!

Also the family of the banking has some great wines...

Just a thought,
Bi Metal Au Pt

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

How great it is to be able to be free to enjoy those oranges! K4u

Aug 22, 2011 19:05:17 GMT -5 bimetalaupt said:

Aug 18, 2011 11:13:41 GMT -5 @smackdown said:

"the contagion has been there in Europe for the last few years. they have taken no real steps to deal with it"

Untrue. They suckered people like you into buying into their lackluster condition and failure. the "downgrade" only means something if you rely on "grading" for your interpretation of integrity. The S&P has none to me so the rating is worthless. Too many of you THINK you know what you see based on what you read (ratings). You followed losers in. You know what that makes your investments.

V.L, and A++
Yes and No .. I keep to MMXII system of grading with the system producing the rating of AAA
current rating per numbers is 1.02483426573427
This is down a bit due to the raise in Debt ceiling. . MMXII uses debt ceiling rather then debt as this is the worst number of the two by law.. What we could borrow.. I also use the 10 year T-Note as risk free number for CAPM and to work with ERP ( now about 7%).. Lower stock prices = higher potential future profits.... Fear has driven potential stock market profits for 12 months as well as gold prices. .. math model know no fear only numbers.. No black-swans only M1, M2 and M3!!

Just a thought,
Bi Metal Au Pt

Just a thought,
Bruce

How can it, no emotions in a CPU... If the math says there is money there is money. When the vix is high it's time to buy!