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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 5, 2011 12:04:10 GMT -5
looking at the polls, i think it is hard to make the case that this budget struggle has been in any way good for Republicans. Try to sell that idea to Romney, Pawlenty, Bachman, and Gingrich who are all lambasting Obama today for the budget impasse speaking for the American public: none of these people did a damn thing to make the process better, so why should i give a rats ass what they say?
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Post by diamonds on Aug 5, 2011 12:56:24 GMT -5
looking at the polls, i think it is hard to make the case that this budget struggle has been in any way good for Republicans. Try to sell that idea to Romney, Pawlenty, Bachman, and Gingrich who are all lambasting Obama today for the budget impasse K to you P.I.
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Post by diamonds on Aug 5, 2011 13:02:40 GMT -5
Can't wait to hear any of these Republicans take on the "anointed one" in the upcoming Presidental debate. One on one. Off the cuff questions with no telepromters for answers.
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Post by handyman2 on Aug 5, 2011 13:12:56 GMT -5
DJ: I agree with you that the public is fed up all around. Now Obama's problem is that during the last years he has been captian of the ship. Many promises he made failed to materialize and the main one being health care turned into a very devisive topic. He can hide behind Bush no longer. It is my impression that the public in general is ripe for another change in the hopes that this time things will improve. I doubt that it will happen anytime soon with jobs and the economy but it is at a point that to high a percentage of voters will opt for something else than what has happened this term. There are a lot of non-tea party people that are starting to think like they do. I believe there will be a lot more new faces in congress this next time that may not be tea party members but agree with much of what they espouse.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 5, 2011 13:13:09 GMT -5
Can't wait to hear any of these Republicans take on the "anointed one" in the upcoming Presidental debate. One on one. Off the cuff questions with no telepromters for answers. he survived it last time. and without notes on the hand, even!
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 5, 2011 13:19:11 GMT -5
DJ: I agree with you that the public is fed up all around. Now Obama's problem is that during the last years he has been captian of the ship. Many promises he made failed to materialize and the main one being health care turned into a very devisive topic. He can hide behind Bush no longer. It is my impression that the public in general is ripe for another change in the hopes that this time things will improve. I doubt that it will happen anytime soon with jobs and the economy but it is at a point that to high a percentage of voters will opt for something else than what has happened this term. There are a lot of non-tea party people that are starting to think like they do. I believe there will be a lot more new faces in congress this next time that may not be tea party members but agree with much of what they espouse. Handy- i agree with most of this. where we disagree is with the hiding part. 3x as many people blame Bush as Obama for the trouble we are in. now, that number will get tighter. it might be 2x by election (my guess). or, i suppose that it might be 1x. but in any case, there are still going to be a LOT of people that blame Bush for the mess, and hold Obama unaccountable for it. i will reiterate what i have said before. Bush's job peformance was dismal in the first term. job growth was anemic. the war was already not going well, and there were a lot of questions about the intelligence failure on WMD. just about any candidate on the Democratic side would have won that election. but the Democrats ran Kerry, who really didn't connect with voters at all. i think ALL of the GOP front runners have serious problems. if the economy improves between now and the election AND the GOP can't field anyone better than they have right now, i think Obama will be re-elected. if either of those things fail to happen, all bets are off. there is a third case scenario, too. something "unusual" might happen over the next (12) months that tips the election in Obama's favor. ie- imagine that Obama got Osama two weeks before the election. do you think ANYONE could beat him if that had happened? i don't.
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Post by zibazinski on Aug 5, 2011 14:01:39 GMT -5
Thank GOD for that but he still gets to keep all that money he fund raises for. Besides soaking taxpayers for life, he walks away with hundreds of thousands of dollars and GREAT health care. For LIFE and they live FOREVER, these ex-presidents and their spouses. Time for a CHANGE in what politicians get for life.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2011 14:20:00 GMT -5
looking at the polls, i think it is hard to make the case that this budget struggle has been in any way good for Republicans.I don't much trust polls. All I know is I'm not seeing many Obama/Binden bumper stickers but I am seeing Obama/Socialism stickers (saw 2 today & will get one as soon as I find out where they sell them). Of course it could be that the Obama supporters around here are just afraid to drive around during the day.
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Post by diamonds on Aug 5, 2011 14:21:50 GMT -5
dj: I asked a question yesterday regarding what platform would Obama run on? Hope and change has failed. He is a lame duck.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 5, 2011 14:22:51 GMT -5
looking at the polls, i think it is hard to make the case that this budget struggle has been in any way good for Republicans.I don't much trust polls. All I know is I'm not seeing many Obama/Binden bumper stickers but I am seeing Obama/Socialism stickers (saw 2 today & will get one as soon as I find out where they sell them). Of course it could be that the Obama supporters around here are just afraid to drive around during the day. i will do a little walking survey today and report back what i see.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 5, 2011 14:23:25 GMT -5
dj: I asked a question yesterday regarding what platform would Obama run on? Hope and change has failed. He is a lame duck. what did Bush run on in 2004?
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Post by diamonds on Aug 5, 2011 14:29:51 GMT -5
DJ: I agree with you that the public is fed up all around. Now Obama's problem is that during the last years he has been captian of the ship. Many promises he made failed to materialize and the main one being health care turned into a very devisive topic. He can hide behind Bush no longer. It is my impression that the public in general is ripe for another change in the hopes that this time things will improve. I doubt that it will happen anytime soon with jobs and the economy but it is at a point that to high a percentage of voters will opt for something else than what has happened this term. There are a lot of non-tea party people that are starting to think like they do. I believe there will be a lot more new faces in congress this next time that may not be tea party members but agree with much of what they espouse. handyman: k to you. I also think that more people will come out and vote this time as they know nothing will change with this guy. The only reason he got in last time was people wanted to change parties, however there was only 3 to pick from and he captured the youth and black vote with his false optimistic rhetoric.
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Post by privateinvestor on Aug 5, 2011 14:31:46 GMT -5
Try to sell that idea to Romney, Pawlenty, Bachman, and Gingrich who are all lambasting Obama today for the budget impasse speaking for the American public: none of these people did a damn thing to make the process better, so why should i give a rats ass what they say? Romney is a former governor of Massachusetts, Pawlenty is a former governor of Minnesota, Bachman is a congresswoman from Minnesota and Gingrich is well; he is ole Newtie... BTW Ms Bachman voted NO for the Debt Ceiling Bill which may turn out to be another farce or joke....because getting congress to cut spending and NOT raise taxes is going to be tough road to hoe as you can imagine, I guess?? And I think their criticisms of Obama are beginning to take a toll on him if they keep it up for another 18 months....negative campaigning does work in some cases if it is widespread and persistent...believe me I know about negative campaigning after working for a congressional candidate in MA who was literally destroyed by it.
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Post by diamonds on Aug 5, 2011 14:34:03 GMT -5
>>>what did Bush run on in 2004? <<<<< Evasive liberal question. Doesn't fly anymore dj. Bush and the race card are lame far-left excuses.
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Post by diamonds on Aug 5, 2011 14:42:54 GMT -5
>>> imagine that Obama got Osama two weeks before the election. do you think ANYONE could beat him if that had happened? i don't<<<<
That's another delusional kool-aid answer. I say "yes" Bush put forth all the groundwork for that prior to his demise and when people are hurting in their pocketbook, that will take top priority for a new President.
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Post by steff on Aug 5, 2011 14:46:04 GMT -5
looking at the polls, i think it is hard to make the case that this budget struggle has been in any way good for Republicans.I don't much trust polls. All I know is I'm not seeing many Obama/Binden bumper stickers but I am seeing Obama/Socialism stickers (saw 2 today & will get one as soon as I find out where they sell them). Of course it could be that the Obama supporters around here are just afraid to drive around during the day. Almost every car in our dinky little right wing town is still showing their McCain/Palin bumper stickers...... so not sure exactly how accurate a bumper sticker poll would be....
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 5, 2011 14:53:03 GMT -5
>>> imagine that Obama got Osama two weeks before the election. do you think ANYONE could beat him if that had happened? i don't<<<< That's another delusional kool-aid answer. i thought you didn't like it when posters were dismissed for being delusional. i guess i was wrong. but for the record, i was asking a question, not giving an answer.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 5, 2011 14:55:19 GMT -5
>>> imagine that Obama got Osama two weeks before the election. do you think ANYONE could beat him if that had happened? i don't<<<< I say "yes" Bush put forth all the groundwork for that prior to his demise false. Bush pulled ("deprioritized") all funding and organization for the search effort in either 2006 or 2007, and gave him a 3 year free ride. you want me to prove it?
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 5, 2011 14:57:33 GMT -5
>>>what did Bush run on in 2004? <<<<< Evasive liberal question. Doesn't fly anymore dj. Bush and the race card are lame far-left excuses. excuses? he won, diamonds. i am asking you what he ran on. if you can't answer the question, then what makes you think it matters whether Obama does?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2011 14:58:19 GMT -5
Finally saw one of those stickers on the hand dryer in a gas station. It said, "To hear another speech from our president, press button below". It's been there for two weeks now, so no one has been offended enough to remove it yet or black it out. Is this an un-official poll for the customers?
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 5, 2011 15:00:26 GMT -5
when people are hurting in their pocketbook, that will take top priority for a new President. you could have skipped all the personal attacks, and answered this way. i agree, btw. and if they are NOT hurting in their pocketbooks, the opposite will happen, imo. it is easy to forget failure when you are doing OK.
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Post by diamonds on Aug 5, 2011 15:05:36 GMT -5
dj: I asked the question yesterday and even lone said there were no takers. Fess up and re-adjust your thinking to the present and the future and step out of the mud-slinging of the past. Accept the fact that Obama's peformance in the last few years have suked.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 5, 2011 15:06:12 GMT -5
dj: I asked a question yesterday regarding what platform would Obama run on? Hope and change has failed. He is a lame duck. to answer your question: he can run on the same thing Bush ran on in 2004, minus the "record number of homebuyers" canard.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 5, 2011 15:06:46 GMT -5
dj: I asked the question yesterday and even lone said there were no takers. Fess up and re-adjust your thinking to the present and the future and step out of the mud-slinging of the past. what mud slinging?
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Post by floridayankee on Aug 5, 2011 15:07:42 GMT -5
All I know is I'm not seeing many Obama/Binden bumper stickers but I am seeing Obama/Socialism stickers (saw 2 today & will get one as soon as I find out where they sell them). Of course it could be that the Obama supporters around here are just afraid to drive around during the day. Maybe it proves that cash for clunkers worked and a lot of the entitled class traded in their paid off Obama bumper sticker holders for a new ride and a lot of debt?
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 5, 2011 15:10:02 GMT -5
Accept the fact that Obama's peformance in the last few years have suked. i accepted that about a year ago. but since i am not a Democrat, i didn't vote for him last time, and i actually care more about this country than i do about my party or his, i don't really understand why you are getting so upset. now that i have answered your question two or three times over, you could try answering one or two of mine. or not. i don't really care. sheesh.
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Post by diamonds on Aug 5, 2011 15:13:02 GMT -5
Not attacking you, just find your propping up the accomplishments of this President is staggering. Whatever he says not come to fruition. I tune him out now as the collateral damage that my friends have experienced in the economy is devastating as far as foreclosures and their savings. He can blow out his candles next year in the house he bought in Sweden.
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Post by diamonds on Aug 5, 2011 15:17:40 GMT -5
All I know is I'm not seeing many Obama/Binden bumper stickers but I am seeing Obama/Socialism stickers (saw 2 today & will get one as soon as I find out where they sell them). Of course it could be that the Obama supporters around here are just afraid to drive around during the day. Maybe it proves that cash for clunkers worked and a lot of the entitled class traded in their paid off Obama bumper sticker holders for a new ride and a lot of debt? LOL, FY: I owe you a karma as I've read your prior posts and agree. Just have to wait till the last one expires. Here ya go!!!!
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Post by diamonds on Aug 5, 2011 15:20:20 GMT -5
Not attacking you, just find your propping up the accomplishments of this President is staggering. Whatever he says does not come to fruition. I tune him out now as the collateral damage that my friends have experienced in the economy is devastating as far as foreclosures and their savings. He can blow out his candles next year in the house he bought in Sweden. Geesh, of course I'm agitated from his fear-mongering tactics, when we know it was all about a raise in the debt ceiling. Oops, meant to modify, not quote myself! Time for a break....
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Post by Mkitty is pro kitty on Aug 5, 2011 15:35:07 GMT -5
Savor the irony of people decrying socialism while driving on public roads. Too bad "keep government out of Medicare" anti-socialists can't take a road trip to Somalia to see what a lack of socialism does for a country. Also, the military is socialism, so I guess the Tea partiers don't like them either.
Nah, they're too busy working and stuff. But I see anti-Obamites have lots of time to drive around.
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