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Post by bimetalaupt on Jul 18, 2011 23:15:48 GMT -5
Now look at it ... Bonds on long end T-30 year $.29% over night bank-bank rate 0.06% Gold 365 projection ...1823.76287118593359082297 long term stock market( total market ) projection total return with Black swans; 16928.1870613458 Chi town Morton Stack House projection: Ribeye and Merlot!! I still have not hear of time or date?? Just a thought, BTI Attachments:
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Post by tyfighter3 on Jul 18, 2011 23:20:16 GMT -5
What's wrong with a good Rack of Lamb and Merlot?
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Post by bimetalaupt on Jul 18, 2011 23:39:12 GMT -5
What's wrong with a good Rack of Lamb and Merlot? Ty, Last time I recall I had a Crown Roast (or Rack of Lamb) was at the Wynn at Paul Bartolotta's Italian Restaurant.. Pared it with a light Super Tuscan( Mostly Merlot).. Great Pair!! /with a Saffron Rice .. Great Call.. And I got good investment advice from the Black jack dealers.. I have never seen it this slow before.. Have a great day, BTI |
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Post by tyfighter3 on Jul 18, 2011 23:46:58 GMT -5
The last 2 months has been the slowest I have seen in 10 years. I would like to know where all of those trillions of dollars are sitting at because not very many people out there have seen them. Who is holding them?
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Post by bimetalaupt on Jul 19, 2011 0:36:00 GMT -5
The last 2 months has been the slowest I have seen in 10 years. I would like to know where all of those trillions of dollars are sitting at because not very many people out there have seen them. Who is holding them?[/quote] Ty,  I hold it is going into the Great American Banking abbes... M3 and M2 at 0.06% and used to buy 30 year t-bonds at 4.29%..Both M2 and M3 are up 6% for year over year!!!  Just a thought, BTI   Attachments:
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jul 19, 2011 1:08:22 GMT -5
Where are they getting their M3 figures from?
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Post by bimetalaupt on Jul 19, 2011 7:45:25 GMT -5
Where are they getting their M3 figures from? V.S., Well it is a major est do to lack of Eurodollars data they had to create an adjustement but they do get five 9's.... nowandfutures.com/key_stats.htmlBi Metal Au Pt M3 is back We did some sleuthing and data extraction and put M3 back together from various weekly Federal Reserve reports that are still available. The formula we're using has five 9s correlation to the original data back to 1980. There is only one missing element that is apparently no longer available (Eurodollars) and an adjustment has been applied to generate it. Its only about 3% of total M3 so should not have a material effect on the total. Here is our article on M3b, which details our work and notes the sources for the data. Note that as of Nov. 10, 2006 the Eurodollar estimation formula has changed - see the article for details. John Williams monthly reconstruction of M3 is here. Ours tends to be more volatile than his, partly because it's weekly and partly because of our differences in calculating the repo and Eurodollar component of M3. Finally and to put M3 into proper perspective with inflation (as measured by CPI without lies), the M3 and M2 strong inflation link is virtually unquestionable. The longer term inflation picture is clear, although M2 shows a pause and likely temporary disinflation as of 2008. Certain bloggers are incorrect and have continually avoided these facts and the linked chart. Attachments:
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Post by smackdown on Jul 19, 2011 8:25:32 GMT -5
That's mighty close to giving it away for-free and expecting a return on investment. Seems the calculator has no cents or common sense. Time to take it out and begin using our heads instead of a Fed.
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Post by decoy409 on Jul 19, 2011 9:15:44 GMT -5
Bruce, #6  and the last line was said so very well.  |
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Post by usaone on Jul 19, 2011 12:26:19 GMT -5
Booming economy! |
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Post by maui1 on Jul 19, 2011 12:36:47 GMT -5
yesterday........the economy was about to collapse.......today it booming. this tells me one thing......and that is......we are in danger.
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Post by usaone on Jul 19, 2011 12:39:14 GMT -5
M3 rising is telling us that the economy is turning. Only the suckers believed yesterdays nonsense.
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Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Jul 20, 2011 2:20:39 GMT -5
The only this is that the M3 is sitting in the banks collect intrest on t-bonds BTI Once that 1.45 Trillion is pushed into economy to make 15 trillion worth of economic activity aka. the Wynn starts picking up and Ty notices some business, then we will have some real inflation happening. Right now the banks still NEED that money just in case of those black swans you keep talking about, JMO. k 4u the
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Post by smackdown on Jul 20, 2011 8:19:00 GMT -5
"The emperor, ahem, bankers have no clothes."
That said alone is missing the "reaction" component. I don't constantly call for us to Close The Banks for nothing. I'll use one small aspect for example. If you make a bad loan it doesn't necessarily default right away-- it festers. When a bad loan festers, it creates ROT all around it. Eventually, there is much more wrong than just ONE loan, it's exponential potential knows no bounds. Often, even settling it or charging it off only exacerbates how bad it can get, not snuffs or remedies it. This applies to BANKS as a whole industry. I'd say it's completely valid to speculate that yesterday's ridiculous gains were rooted in banks buying each others' shares to pump the outcome. 200 points is a LOT of credit movement. It can't happen too many more times without uncontrolled reciprocation. No Main Street activity or Stable Assets exist to fall back on; which is why metals are rising-- people are fleeing for safe harbors, not bathing in USAONE's booming economy blather-- So, banks will take us down as they dissolve into insolvency. Guaranteed. It would be much wiser to Close Them Now and for the GOP to realize that it had a gambling problem a decade ago and has hocked all-things America to cover subsequent trips to the casino (all failures). Our best bet now is Chaos (from which innovation and invention are born) not organized crime sprees and over-control of the hollowed-out financial sector.
Ron Paul says the Debt Talks will fail. I agree. Not in bitter speculation, just relevancy. The Party of No says so because it has no credibility once the world realizes it is just a cardboard front. Paul has been shouting the obvious for quite some time. The cooked books protect the crooks, who stole all the cash, blew it and don't have one ounce of tangible substance.
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Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Jul 20, 2011 12:49:12 GMT -5
Okay guys, I know less about monetary policy than you do, but here is where the "missing money" went; it was all set aflame during the recent fiscal conflagration and all the money pumping in by the Fed is being used as a giant fig-leaf over certain party's naughty-bits. That is why it cannot be lent. The emperor, ahem, bankers have no clothes. Okay, now we are getting somewhere. Now replace FED with, the 9 largest banks in the world used CREDIT and deregulation, to create a bunch of bad loans that they sold off as investments all the wile betting it was going to POP, and were telling everyone in Washington, including the FED that everything was A okay.. Everyone was making money so is was all A okay.. But it really wasn't was it. So it's the 9 larges banks that have no clothes. AKA.. The Govt(Politicians) didn't know!  Good thread BTI k4u!  |
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Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Jul 20, 2011 22:11:12 GMT -5
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Post by Driftr on Jul 21, 2011 12:49:04 GMT -5
85 million? Just another cost of doing business for them. |
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Post by decoy409 on Jul 21, 2011 13:04:33 GMT -5
The gov. did not know. Brilliantly hillarious!  |
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Post by lifewasgood on Jul 21, 2011 14:04:53 GMT -5
Basic extortion is going on, the Banks have our balls in a vice and we dare not complain or they will tighten it until we pass out.
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Post by Driftr on Jul 21, 2011 14:50:34 GMT -5
Basic extortion is going on, the Banks have our balls in a vice and we dare not complain or they will tighten it until we pass out. The banks have only as much power over us as we allow them to have. |
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Post by lifewasgood on Jul 21, 2011 15:08:47 GMT -5
Driftr,
Watch the clip and you tell me who has the power and IMO the only way out of this is to repeal the Federal Reserve Act or at least rein there ability to do as they please with taxpayer money.
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Post by Driftr on Jul 21, 2011 15:24:42 GMT -5
Sorry. I don't watch youtube clips posted on message boards, but if you'd be kind enough to summarize why you think a bank has more control over me than I allow it to have, I'd be happy to discuss it with you.
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Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Jul 21, 2011 22:46:38 GMT -5
Nice one driftr!  85 million? Just another cost of doing business for them. I hear that, but the fines just keep coming. This is also the first that has been handed out for deceiving people directly. So a new line of fines, there are others ones in the pipe. The truth about who is responsible needs to be told, and there needs to be more prosecutions, I agree. However, realistically hundreds of billions of dollars in fines to these companies doesn't makes much sense. Especially right now when they aren't making money and are still very exposed to the mess they created. That's the issues. The banks and all their employees are vulnerable to what the people at the top said was gospel. Per O&G. |
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Post by Driftr on Jul 22, 2011 7:24:08 GMT -5
Is there some reason the 'people at the top' of those companies shouldn't be sent to bang me in the ass prison?
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Post by maui1 on Jul 22, 2011 7:29:00 GMT -5
Is there some reason the 'people at the top' of those companies shouldn't be sent to bang me in the ass prison?
i think the reason is.......as you go up the ladder, you get closer to those in public office power, and they don't like the idea of getting their asses, turned into a 'two way street'.
contrywide's mozzilie(sp)......gets you to dodd, and frank, and there are others.
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Post by smackdown on Jul 22, 2011 7:39:08 GMT -5
"Is there some reason the 'people at the top' of those companies shouldn't be sent to bang me in the ass prison?"
Because they'd welcome it. Having been a Board Director in a medium-sized corporation and close enough to the top in larger ones, I can tell you that the higher you go, the more you sell your soul and agree to do things the rest of us would walk away from. An even lesser-ethic person is the climbing exec's spouse. I've known some utterly despicable louses in low-cut blouses and yeah, they'd do that too if it got their boy a corner office.
A "real" prison for these types has accountability not bars. I like a fully structured future for them based entirely on the game rules they insist on for us now. That's a Hell with a smell they can tell-- comes off their own skin and kin . With an income cap of $2/hour.
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Post by lifewasgood on Jul 22, 2011 7:59:52 GMT -5
I only ask for an equal level playing field where we all play by the same rules. Punishment for breaking the rules would be removal from the playing field forever.
That would clean things up quickly.
The problem I see VL is the general population has been so conditioned to believe that we need major corporations and banks. If WalMart fails it is the end of all time. I say hogwash, if the major corporations and banks were required to play by the same rules as I and failed, then guys like me would jump in to quickly fill the void and thus spark a new economic revival.
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Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Jul 22, 2011 12:40:32 GMT -5
Is there some reason the 'people at the top' of those companies shouldn't be sent to bang me in the ass prison? No!!! But I see that some like to try and justify it..  |
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Post by decoy409 on Jul 22, 2011 12:50:51 GMT -5
"I hear that, but the fines just keep coming. This is also the first that has been handed out for deceiving people directly. So a new line of fines, there are others ones in the pipe.
The truth about who is responsible needs to be told, and there needs to be more prosecutions, I agree. However, realistically hundreds of billions of dollars in fines to these companies doesn't makes much sense. Especially right now when they aren't making money and are still very exposed to the mess they created."
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And why don't you touch upon the TAXPAYERS that behind the scenes are pulling their pants down to cover big chunks of these fines mixed in somewhere else along the lines of taxes and price hikes of goods.
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Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Jul 22, 2011 13:04:49 GMT -5
Give me a break. The price hikes are compared to what? The price of almost everything is less than in 2008. SALES everywhere, discounts galore. The BS price hikes that the media has been selling is purely because of commodities, you know like gold. TARP is a wash, and lets face it TAXPAYERS were greedy and took the money. It's kinda of a shared problem, you know?
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