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Post by traelin0 on Jan 6, 2011 22:09:35 GMT -5
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 6, 2011 22:24:48 GMT -5
trae-you might want to warn readers there is music with this YouTube clip. For some reason it startled me.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2011 22:37:05 GMT -5
Didn't we have a plane crash in China a few years? and they rushed in to recover our technology to reverse engineer? Or am I getting my stories confused?
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 6, 2011 22:52:59 GMT -5
Rose-what you wrote sounds familiar but it might be a couple of stories combined.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2011 22:54:00 GMT -5
OK, thanks for confirming that the bells ringing weren't JUST in my head!
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 6, 2011 22:55:56 GMT -5
Rose-I do remember a race (by a couple of countries) of some sort to retreive something that had fallen out of the sky. Something that belonged to us.
I don't remember it all though.
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Post by traelin0 on Jan 6, 2011 22:59:02 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2011 23:07:58 GMT -5
ah-ha! So some of what dh says does permeate the system!! ;D
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Post by burnsattornincan on Jan 6, 2011 23:13:06 GMT -5
For some reason it startled me.
And it startled me as well Mr. Tennesseer administrator. Then I checked my speaker level and it was at 100%. I blame it on the cat.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2011 23:22:16 GMT -5
< Its not just about what I can do after the fact. I can show you how to play and eliminate your chance to pay. Call me. > canattorneyyou <Rose looks over shoulder>> Are you talking to me, Mr. Burns?
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on Jan 6, 2011 23:22:48 GMT -5
Some people have a problem with the way the US uses its military...wait until China gets their military built up. Traditionally, China has shown it doesn't seem to care about loss of human life or human rights. I wonder where all those critical of the US having a large military will be when China does start throwing around it's military strength?
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Post by traelin0 on Jan 6, 2011 23:27:19 GMT -5
Hey, at least China does it for a fraction of the price. ;D
Personally, I am not afraid of China. Those who are about to renege on their debt obligations, on the other hand...
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Post by burnsattornincan on Jan 6, 2011 23:30:29 GMT -5
That Hainan incident was something I had completely forgotten about. Compelling story.
Dear Ms. RoseGarden, my sign offs are for anyone to utilize. It is just coincidence we have had extraneous communications today.
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Post by burnsattornincan on Jan 6, 2011 23:46:06 GMT -5
In the old days you needed to worry about ICBM's and nuclear launch capable submarines. Now, in addition to that, you have to worry about bio chemical attacks which will most probably be carried out by some type of group comprised of "immigrants". Bon apetit.
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on Jan 6, 2011 23:47:50 GMT -5
Hey, at least China does it for a fraction of the price. ;D Personally, I am not afraid of China. Those who are about to renege on their debt obligations, on the other hand... You should be concerned about them. Having a country with the possibility to have such a large military, who seemingly have little regard for human life and human rights, have not historically turned out to be a good thing. Economically, at some point they will stabilize, just as the US did. The difference is that the Chinese government has shown they are more than willing to control the people through force if necessary. So people demanding more in wages may not work out the same way as it has in the US through unions.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2011 23:51:10 GMT -5
Dear Ms. RoseGarden, my sign offs are for anyone to utilize. It is just coincidence we have had extraneous communications today. Oh, good, my husband's in the room anyway... maybe next time And PI12, I'm proud of our military, but they are stretched WAY too thin and spread throughout the world. If something really were to happen, there's no way the numbers "available" could get back to the US in time to prevent mass destruction.
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Post by burnsattornincan on Jan 6, 2011 23:56:16 GMT -5
Economically, at some point they will stabilize, just as the US did.
Hopefully not. There are not enough resources on this earth for them and India to "stabilize" financially. They should have been kept down on the floor but your idiotic government gave them your entire economy, on a silver platter. They should all be tried in a kangaroo court and executed in the quickest of fashions.
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on Jan 6, 2011 23:56:26 GMT -5
I'm not sure what getting them back to the US in time to prevent mass destruction has to do with anything. If the US were attacked, everybody would become part of the military. Although it is highly unlikely that a "Red Dawn" type of invasion would occur.
traelin0: Sorry PI, I accidentally modified instead of replied...
That's a little concerning that mods can "modify" other poster's post.
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Post by traelin0 on Jan 6, 2011 23:58:50 GMT -5
You should be concerned about them. Having a country with the possibility to have such a large military, who seemingly have little regard for human life and human rights, have not historically turned out to be a good thing.
Economically, at some point they will stabilize, just as the US did. The difference is that the Chinese government has shown they are more than willing to control the people through force if necessary. So people demanding more in wages may not work out the same way as it has in the US through unions.PI, correct me if I'm wrong, but do we not have more of our own citizens imprisoned than China? And how many innocent foreigners have died at the hands of the Chinese in the recent past? I still don't see why I as a non-debtor to the Chinese have anything to worry about...haven't we beaten the foreign boogeyman scenario enough? I can't keep my enemies straight. First it's the Taliban, then the Afghans, then the Iraqis, then the Iranians, then the North Koreans, and now the Chinese? Yes, I will cede the point that our politicians and bankers have much to fear from the Chinese. That's the risk they chose to take when they allowed 50% of our debt markets to be foreign-owned. But why should an innocent citizen such as I worry about them, who is prepared as much as possible to GTFO of Dodge?
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Post by traelin0 on Jan 7, 2011 0:11:55 GMT -5
Hopefully not. There are not enough resources on this earth for them and India to "stabilize" financially. They should have been kept down on the floor but your idiotic government gave them your entire economy, on a silver platter.Unfortunately it takes a Canuck such as yourself to spell out the truth. China is the creation of both their economic prowess and our political ineptitude. Life sucks but it is what it is. Eventually we have to admit to ourselves that Bush 1 and Clinton pushed to get China admitted to the WTO and to reward it with Most Favored Nation status. The same ol' same ol' has continued under Bush 2 and now Obama. In that article I posted before, Martin Armstrong again hammered home the takeaway that China is doing everything right. Capital is fleeing TO China and FROM the West. That is the cause of their inflation, and that is why they are destined to be the financial capital of the world. Markets bet on political stability. My bet is that it won't be recognized in the States for another couple of years.
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on Jan 7, 2011 0:14:38 GMT -5
I'm not sure what getting them back to the US in time to prevent mass destruction has to do with anything. If the US were attacked, everybody would become part of the military. Although it is highly unlikely that a "Red Dawn" type of invasion would occur. traelin0: Sorry PI, I accidentally modified instead of replied...That's a little concerning that mods can "modify" other poster's post. I did the same thing, but still it is a little concerning that post can be changed...I think I would rather just allow post to be deleted.
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Post by traelin0 on Jan 7, 2011 0:26:02 GMT -5
I did the same thing, but still it is a little concerning that post can be changed...I think I would rather just allow post to be deleted. PI, this feature is something Mods have needed for a long time, in order to preserve a post from being deleted carte blanche; such as when an insidious quote from a previously Mod-deleted post is included. You can view the last modifier of your post immediately to the bottom of the post itself.
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Post by burnsattornincan on Jan 7, 2011 0:40:04 GMT -5
I can't keep my enemies straight. First it's the Taliban, then the Afghans, then the Iraqis, then the Iranians, then the North Koreans, and now the Chinese?
None of those groups matter except the Chinese. They are the only ones with a military capable of raising an eyebrow. The Muslims could have been dealt with locally, no need to invade and spend billions. Political correctness has cost you more than you could possibly imagine.
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Post by traelin0 on Jan 7, 2011 0:41:46 GMT -5
I can't keep my enemies straight. First it's the Taliban, then the Afghans, then the Iraqis, then the Iranians, then the North Koreans, and now the Chinese?
None of those groups matter except the Chinese. They are the only ones with a military capable of raising an eyebrow. The Muslims could have been dealt with locally, no need to invade and spend billions. Political correctness has cost you more than you could possibly imagine. I guess it's too bad Washington and NYC were busy blowing their wads in every other country then. Too bad we're bankrupt, LOL.
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Post by deziloooooo on Jan 7, 2011 0:47:41 GMT -5
Don't dispair...now that they are a rising power..they'll start spending like we do ..how much per plane. Seriously, if they have this capability..my feeing is it's there for a weapon against our carriers...a way to get to them stealthly to be able to fire long range air to ship missles against them..it's a natural progression...
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Post by workpublic on Jan 7, 2011 10:02:13 GMT -5
"In the old days you needed to worry about ICBM's and nuclear launch capable submarines. Now, in addition to that, you have to worry about bio chemical attacks which will most probably be carried out by some type of group comprised of "immigrants". Bon appetite."
it will be bio chemical. first signs will be numerous concentrated bird and fish kills to test. ;D
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Post by zipity on Jan 7, 2011 10:53:58 GMT -5
I'm definitely not an aeronautics engineer but I have a couple problems with the posted video. It's kind of interesting that the plane is never shown moving or even with the engines running. Makes me wonder if it's actually production ready or even a test plane, looks more like a mock up model. Another interesting point was one shot of schematic drawings of the plane, they didn't match the plane shown. Final observation, have you seen any US stealth aircraft with external weapons systems? I may be wrong but I thought all of our stealth planes had internal weapons bays because hanging external weapons would produce a radar signature. This video clearly showed what appears to be an air-to-air missile hanging from some plane's wing. This smells more like a propaganda video.
The good news is that although 'stealth' technology greatly reduces the radar signature to approximately the size of a sparrow, systems do exist that are capable of tracking them. A Czech system called the VERA-E passive surveillance system is capable of pin pointing the source of any emitting a signal. Stealth aircraft still transmit information so can be detected by that system. Once you have an idea where the aircraft is the 'sparrow' flying at mach 1+ can be identified and shot down. (google: 1999 F-117 Nighthawk shot down by a Serbian missile) Assuming the Chinese have been able to duplicate the radar absorbing material used on US stealth planes and can reduce their signature to the size of a sparrow, that doesn't mean that Chinese aircraft will suddenly appear over the US requiring Patrick Swayze (were he alive) and Charlie Sheen to once again save the US.
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Post by burnsattornincan on Jan 7, 2011 11:17:29 GMT -5
Not sure Mr. zipity. The AAM hanging off the wing looks like a shot of a different plane. I don't see any AAMs on the plane in question. It seems they started showing other stuff at the end like large ground missiles so they might have thrown in that shot of the SAM. The "stealth" plane is shown flying at the end of the clip but I'm not sure if that is just a fake image. It looks a little unrealistic. Who knows.
Had to edit, said SAM instead of AAM (air to air missile). A couple of tough cases today have taken a toll on my usual stellar accuracy.
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Post by deziloooooo on Jan 7, 2011 12:10:22 GMT -5
Your correct as far as weapons being hung outside the fusaloge...but I believe I read that there were hard points on the F-22 and D-35 where if in necessity and mission of..they could got to that. The thing is these generation 5 aircraft..cost so much... one of them will not be sold for export..forgot which one, which hurts in getting the costs down..one is no longer being produced..to costly..again forgot which one..Israel is to get one of them and other countries are also in the market for..Understand India is looking to purchase and think read going to the Russians ...possible because of a better financial package. I still don't think that any country is going to match the #'s that we have but the Chinese developing of one of the stealth, I believe that a big reason is the threat against what they fear most as far as a detriment to expanding their influence is our carriers..they will want to expand their influence in the area and the only one to counter that is us..with our carriers..not total war ..just influence in a area. IMO.
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Post by handyman2 on Jan 7, 2011 13:35:53 GMT -5
Worring about the Chineese military is a waste of time. They are more concerned about self protection in the future. So they develop a stealth fighter so what. The China of today is not the China of yesterday. They have in fact become a Capitalist nation. Our biggest issue is how in the future do we compete against them world wide.
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