Public school...

[billisonboard]

Jul 4, 2011 14:08:25 GMT -5 safeharbor37 said:

Actually bills, German social organization was simply totalitarianism. It was the economic system which was a form of socialism.

You got me. It was the economic system that was socialism.

[handyman2]

I have never heard the term unschooling. However there are many homeschoolers. To properly educate a child there must be structure and this is stressed by people who produce the materials and people who instruct homeschooling parents.
Allowing the student to pick and choose does not make sense to me. had my parents done that i know my choice would have been a long recess period at the fishing hole.

[billisonboard]

Jul 4, 2011 14:30:08 GMT -5 handyman2 said:

I have never heard the term unschooling. However there are many homeschoolers. To properly educate a child there must be structure and this is stressed by people who produce the materials and people who instruct homeschooling parents.
Allowing the student to pick and choose does not make sense to me. had my parents done that i know my choice would have been a long recess period at the fishing hole.

DeSchooling Society is a book written by Ivan Illich in 1971 in which he talks about doing away with the structure of "schooling" both within schools and society as a whole. Summerhill School was established in England in 1921 with the same basic philosopy. Summerhill: A Radical Approach to Child Rearing was a book that talked about its governing principles was written by A.S. Neill and published in 1960. Certainly nothing new here.

[djAdvocate]

Jul 4, 2011 13:45:45 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jul 4, 2011 13:41:34 GMT -5 safeharbor37 said:

Socialism as a system of social organization is, or will become, communism.

That was Marx's concept. The National Socialist German Worker's Party had a different concept.

indeed. mostly the concept was to make gullible socialists think that the Nazi's were actually on their team. before exterminating them.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Well, if by structure we mean reporting to the central education facility and sitting upright, still, and quiet for hours on end-- I'd say we need to work on that. Yes, in life there are things you have to do just because you have to do them-- and there are things that must be done a particular way, like it or not, and there are things that must be done NOW-- there are due dates.

But most of education isn't PUSHING kids, it's not about discipline-- it's about holding them back. If you look at K - 12 education, and you look at the unAmerican Prussian system behind modern K - 12, it's easy to figure out why it's a giant cluster f***. We've basically decided that every 7 year old should be learning the exact same thing as every other 7 year old and this goes on for 12 years. The result is everyone moves at the speed of the slowest, dumbest kid-- and then we let the government run it.

We need to get education out of the 19th century.

[djAdvocate]

Jul 4, 2011 18:36:04 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Well, if by structure we mean reporting to the central education facility and sitting upright, still, and quiet for hours on end-- I'd say we need to work on that. Yes, in life there are things you have to do just because you have to do them-- and there are things that must be done a particular way, like it or not, and there are things that must be done NOW-- there are due dates.

But most of education isn't PUSHING kids, it's not about discipline-- it's about holding them back. If you look at K - 12 education, and you look at the unAmerican Prussian system behind modern K - 12, it's easy to figure out why it's a giant cluster f***. We've basically decided that every 7 year old should be learning the exact same thing as every other 7 year old and this goes on for 12 years. The result is everyone moves at the speed of the slowest, dumbest kid-- and then we let the government run it.

We need to get education out of the 19th century.

i think public education has become a training grounds for mindless labor. if that were NOT the case, then they would teach kids how to think independently, instead of disciplining them when they have independent ideas to the point where they are vanquished.

i just moved my son to a Montessori school. i can't take it any more.

[Deleted]

Public school...
Does it offend you on political grounds?
Why?

I was thinking about our school system today as a matter of fact. Oh & the whole feel good about yourself so you can't flunk out even if you can't read, you graduate thing. I followed the logical conclusion (to me at least) & I'm betting that the fast food places can pick & choose who they want to hire.

Remember a while back we had 2 or 3 fast food places that served contaminated food? Well I'm betting as part of the hiring process you are given a whole bunch of stuff to read about storing food, keeping it cold, not letting it sit out, etc. For a newly hired person that info wouldn't do much good if they either couldn't read or couldn't read well enough to comprehend what they were reading. (I assume that they weren't tested on that info because that would be an abuse of their rights).

So the next time a bunch of people die from eating contaminated food I'm going to look at it as a form of society suicide. We have lowered our countries standards below what it takes for humans to survive. Kind of funny if you think about it. It's even funnier when you think of all the other low paying but possibly life ending jobs out there.

[djAdvocate]

Jul 4, 2011 18:59:33 GMT -5 @oldtex said:

Public school...
Does it offend you on political grounds?
Why?

I was thinking about our school system today as a matter of fact. Oh & the whole feel good about yourself so you can't flunk out even if you can't read, you graduate thing. I followed the logical conclusion (to me at least) & I'm betting that the fast food places can pick & choose who they want to hire.

Remember a while back we had 2 or 3 fast food places that served contaminated food? Well I'm betting as part of the hiring process you are given a whole bunch of stuff to read about storing food, keeping it cold, not letting it sit out, etc. For a newly hired person that info wouldn't do much good if they either couldn't read or couldn't read well enough to comprehend what they were reading. (I assume that they weren't tested on that info because that would be an abuse of their rights). .

i don't believe that part about testing is true. we routinely test for reading comprehension for the shop. sadly, the folks we end up hiring have marginal capabilities. but they also have marginal opportunity.

i will admit that both halves of that are sad.