Whãt Yõú Can Learn From Ronald Reagan

[privateinvestor]

Jun 28, 2011 8:59:51 GMT -5 ugonow said:

Read some Bruce Bartlett.He was Reagans top economic advisor,and has bashed many Reagan myths.

I'll pass but did read Lt Col Ollie North's bio..and George Schultz and David Stockman's books about the Reagan Years...

[privateinvestor]

I didn't post a link to a book. I quoted a fact from a book. Are you saying that there were not "138 Reagan administration officials ...convicted, ... indicted, or ... subject of official investigations for official misconduct and/or criminal violations"? [/quote][/color]

I have no idea about how many officials were convicted, indicted or whatever during the Reagan years ...how many were convicted, and/or indicted during Obama's 2 1/2 years in the White House why not dig up those ambiguous stats ...??

[floridayankee]

Jun 28, 2011 8:24:48 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

How to oversee a corrupt administration.

In his 1991 book "Sleepwalking Through History: America in the Reagan Years," journalist Haynes Johnson came up with an unflattering statistic: "By the end of his term, 138 Reagan administration officials had been convicted, had been indicted, or had been the subject of official investigations for official misconduct and/or criminal violations." dir.salon.com/story/opinion/conason/2004/06/08/reagan/index.html

IOW, corrupt administration officials didn't get a "free pass" in the Reagan Administration.

That's a good thing, isn't it?

[billisonboard]

Jun 28, 2011 9:09:30 GMT -5 @privateinvestor said:

I didn't post a link to a book. I quoted a fact from a book. Are you saying that there were not "138 Reagan administration officials ...convicted, ... indicted, or ... subject of official investigations for official misconduct and/or criminal violations"?

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I have no idea about how many officials were convicted, indicted or whatever during the Reagan years ...how many were convicted, and/or indicted during Obama's 2 1/2 years in the White House why not dig up those ambiguous stats ...??[/quote]

You started the thread about Reagan. Please don't attempt to highjack your own thread.

[floridayankee]

Jun 28, 2011 8:53:03 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

People can tell all the "stories" they wish to tell. People can talk all they wish about how Reagan made them "feel". I, and others on the thread, are talking about the cold hard reality of the Reagan Administration.

Yeah, reality bites. I suppose every democrat supports and agrees with every single decision made when their party controls the White house?

Sure........

[billisonboard]

Jun 28, 2011 9:23:41 GMT -5 floridayankee said:

Jun 28, 2011 8:24:48 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

How to oversee a corrupt administration.

In his 1991 book "Sleepwalking Through History: America in the Reagan Years," journalist Haynes Johnson came up with an unflattering statistic: "By the end of his term, 138 Reagan administration officials had been convicted, had been indicted, or had been the subject of official investigations for official misconduct and/or criminal violations." dir.salon.com/story/opinion/conason/2004/06/08/reagan/index.html

IOW, corrupt administration officials didn't get a "free pass" in the Reagan Administration.

That's a good thing, isn't it?

Yes. Congressional oversight of the executive branch is a good thing.

[floridayankee]

Jun 28, 2011 9:09:30 GMT -5 @privateinvestor said:

I didn't post a link to a book. I quoted a fact from a book. Are you saying that there were not "138 Reagan administration officials ...convicted, ... indicted, or ... subject of official investigations for official misconduct and/or criminal violations"?

I have no idea about how many officials were convicted, indicted or whatever during the Reagan years ...how many were convicted, and/or indicted during Obama's 2 1/2 years in the White House why not dig up those ambiguous stats ...??

I just caught that....just because one is a "subject of official investigations", it means they are corrupt? "Innocent until proven guilty" must not apply to Reagan officials.

So if repubs subject 139 Obama administration officials to an investigation, that'll mean the Obama administration is the most corrupt?

[privateinvestor]

just caught that....just because one is a "subject of official investigations", it means they are corrupt? "Innocent until proven guilty" must not apply to Reagan officials.

How many of the 139 Reagan officials went to jail for corruption?? What is that old saying you can indict a ham sandwich..but proving an indictment is a little more difficult I think??

How many in the Clinton White House were indicted for corruption??

I have no idea how many in the Obama White House are corrupt but could probably give you my opinion about how many are incompetent starting at the Top if you want to play that game here??

[billisonboard]

Jun 28, 2011 9:39:45 GMT -5 @privateinvestor said:

just caught that....just because one is a "subject of official investigations", it means they are corrupt? "Innocent until proven guilty" must not apply to Reagan officials.

How many of the 139 Reagan officials went to jail for corruption?? What is that old saying you can indict a ham sandwich..but proving an indictment is a little more difficult I think??

How many in the Clinton White House were indicted for corruption??

I have no idea how many in the Obama White House are corrupt but could probably give you my opinion about how many are incompetent starting at the Top if you want to play that game here??

I find it more interesting the ones that were convicted of crimes but got the convictions overturned through technicalities (i.e. don't do the crime if you can't afford high priced lawyers to get your butt out of jail). Who exactly didn't "man up" and face the consequences of their actions?

[privateinvestor]

Who exactly didn't "man up" and face the consequences of their actions?

Who cares??? Did you ever hear of business as usual in our federal government....although maybe the jury yesterday sent you and your ilk a message when they threw the book at Blago..

[billisonboard]

Jun 28, 2011 12:01:53 GMT -5 @privateinvestor said:

Who exactly didn't "man up" and face the consequences of their actions?

Who cares??? ...

Me.

[privateinvestor]

Jun 28, 2011 12:22:01 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jun 28, 2011 12:01:53 GMT -5 @privateinvestor said:

Who exactly didn't "man up" and face the consequences of their actions?

Who cares??? ...

Me.

Then you are very naive ...don't you know that you should not lose any sleep over things you have no control over.. think about that if you can...I wouldn't even give that nonsense a second thought because as long as you have government officials who are surrounded by corruption they will more than likely become corrupted and only a few are exceptions to that rule..

If the Congressional Ethics Committee investigated all the corruption in congress they would need a separate Dept with a few hundred staffers including Constitutional and Tax Attorneys

[hannah27]

...none of the Republicans in the Presidential Race for 2012 could hold a candle to President Ronald Reagan nor can the current resident in the White House President Barrack Hussein Obama, one of the worse of the worst presidents in our nation's long and proud history. P.I. ( CA. Unhappy Camper)

Wow - not by a LONG shot! Carter was a complete disaster, Ford wasn't much better, and there are many disastrous presidents who came before them! Herbert Hoover was a largely inept president during the early years of the Great Depression, and he was followed by Roosevelt, who many believe made the whole thing much worse than it would have been had it been left alone!

Obama is doing a good job with the mess he had handed to him. Bush did a good job too, considering that 9/11 happened so early in his presidency.

[floridayankee]

Jun 28, 2011 12:57:30 GMT -5 hannah27 said:

Obama is doing a good job with the mess he had handed to him. Bush did a good job too, considering that 9/11 happened so early in his presidency.

Considering Obama sat in the Senate from January 2005 - November 2008, I'd say he was part of the problem that was handed to him.

[deziloooooo]

I never found Reagan a great communicator , as so many did and i never felt great because he was the POTUS. I thought at the time, his actions with the Air Controllers were as much a time for him to show who was boss and to show his strength, it was at the beginning of his first term I believe, and felt his actions were premature, the controllers had a good bitch at the time, bringing to the attention of the country the deficits in manning of those positions and felt after wards we were not safer but much more unsafe by the firing of...

I think we lucked out in not having , as far as I know any accidents with Air Planes controlled , not that the fears of the controllers were unfounded.

With all that said, I watched his funeral, the respect paid to him with great interest and a thank you for his service..

I realize he might not be my favorite President, but I do take to heart those who are in the Know so to speak, who have the expertise and knowledge who do praise him, many who I am familiar with and when they say something I usually go along with their thoughts, and praise the man has gotten from many of those folks, and I realize it just might have been me, in not acknowledging what a fine POTUS he was, and am able to admit possible I was the one wrong here, these others had it right ..in their praise of the man.

It would be nice to see a few here who also are not caught up in their own importance and feeling of invincibility of thought also admit they too might have some ideas all wrong, however , you can understand it if I also say , I won't hold my breath waiting for such admittance by most, as that would never happen..sorry to say.

[Shirina]

Now, how can you possibly say this:

President Barrack Hussein Obama, one of the worse of the worst presidents in our nation's long and proud history.

And then, a few posts later, turn around and complain about this?

I also know full well our Liberals friends here will not only try to discredit Reagan but also anyone who says anything good about Reagan and his eight years in the White House

What is this, anyway .... a seminar on how to apply double standards?

And then there's this:

As a matter of fact some areas in the once Golden State of California; Reagan's Country are as bad off as they were in the 30's Great Depression with unemployment, home vacancies, homeless, and crime as a way of life each and every day.

Odd how the Republican Reagan can inherit a dismal economy from Democrat Carter and all of the blame is firmly placed on Carter's shoulders. However, when Democrat Obama inherits a dismal economy from Republican Bush, it mysteriously becomes all Obama's fault. Did anyone else see the old switch-a-roo game being played here? Because I certainly did.

now watch all the innnuendos, veiled insults and personal attacks from the Left begin

So you goad liberals with blanket statements and then predict you'll be called to the carpet for it? Wow, that's sort of like predicting tonight's sunset. How astute!

if you think you can do a better job, why don't you?

Because, chiver, the "good old days" are more than just who sat in the White House. Elders wax poetic about the past because that was their time ... it was their culture, their music, their styles, their slang, their world. After about 40 or so, your impact on culture is almost nil, and one must watch helplessly as another generation supplants yours with their own unique culture and set of values. That's not an easy thing to do. You can't fix these problems without a working time machine, and so far, no one has invented one. Yet.

[privateinvestor]

So you goad liberals with blanket statements and then predict you'll be called to the carpet for it? Wow, that's sort of like predicting tonight's sunset. How astute!

C'mon now Shirina if you don't like this thread or the OP about Reagan you can ignore it or you can do your thing again which is beginning to get very tiresome...anyone can predict the Liberals responses to Reagan or to Reganomics it will usually set your hair on fire..

And I repeat Obama is NOT in Reagan's league...but probably in the same league as Jimmy Carter IMHO...

[djAdvocate]

Jun 28, 2011 13:16:24 GMT -5 floridayankee said:

Jun 28, 2011 12:57:30 GMT -5 hannah27 said:

Obama is doing a good job with the mess he had handed to him. Bush did a good job too, considering that 9/11 happened so early in his presidency.

Considering Obama sat in the Senate from January 2005 - November 2008, I'd say he was part of the problem that was handed to him.

true. i hold him 1% responsible. which brings us back to Bush.

[SweetVirginia]

Jun 28, 2011 6:40:27 GMT -5 @privateinvestor said:

Unfortunately as some conservatives have said more eloquently than me...."we will never see his like again"....



P.I. ( CA. Unhappy Camper)

I hope that is true.

[ungenteel]

learn from Reagan???

Eat jelly beans and let your keepers hide the fact that you fall asleep at meetings

[hannah27]

Jun 28, 2011 13:16:24 GMT -5 floridayankee said:

Considering Obama sat in the Senate from January 2005 - November 2008, I'd say he was part of the problem that was handed to him.

Do you want to compare apples to apples, or not? Obama got handed a nation that was already careening off the cliff. Bush's presidential honeymoon period was rudely interrupted by Osama Bin Laden.

Who knows what either could have accomplished if they hadn't faced such terrible circumstances?

That's the job. You couldn't pay me enough to do it.

[floridayankee]

Jun 28, 2011 17:37:04 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

true. i hold him 1% responsible. which brings us back to Bush.

Ok, I'll play. If Obama, 1 senator out of 100 is 1% at fault, the other 99% must belong to the rest of the other 99 senators.

See, I knew it wasn't Bush's fault

[pepper112765]

Learned that the onset of Alzheimers was part of the reason for what I believed was moments of bewilderment, particularly during press conferences during his second term. Same look that my 12th Grade English teacher had who later died from the disease. Not a diss, but an observation. I was 22 at the end of his second term and have no opinion really about what a great or rotten president he was. At 22, I really didn't care.

[privateinvestor]

Jun 29, 2011 14:53:32 GMT -5 pepper112765 said:

Learned that the onset of Alzheimers was part of the reason for what I believed was moments of bewilderment, particularly during press conferences during his second term. Same look that my 12th Grade English teacher had who later died from the disease. Not a diss, but an observation. I was 22 at the end of his second term and have no opinion really about what a great or rotten president he was. At 22, I really didn't care.

Yea I know and his two sons had quite a fight about this...

[pepper112765]

Also a part of the Reagan legacy one of the worst drug epidemics -- CRACK. (from a timeline point of view).

[Shirina]

I really don't have a lot of gripes about Reagan, even if I do take a jab at him here and there. Overall, he was a decent president, and I think his brand of foreign policy was what we needed at the time. So, contrary to what some conservatives thought "all" liberals would do, I'm not going to use this thread as a Reagan-bashing soapbox.

[ugonow]

I think one thing we learned was if you cut income taxes too much, you have to make up for it in other taxes.

[vonnie6200]

Jun 29, 2011 16:16:26 GMT -5 Shirina said:

I really don't have a lot of gripes about Reagan, even if I do take a jab at him here and there. Overall, he was a decent president, and I think his brand of foreign policy was what we needed at the time. So, contrary to what some conservatives thought "all" liberals would do, I'm not going to use this thread as a Reagan-bashing soapbox.

K for that!

[ugonow]

His Deficit Reduction Act and TERFA closed loopholes for the wealthy and his TERFA raised taxes on coporations and the earth did not crumble?

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Ronald Reagan was a life guard on the Illinois River in Dixon, IL where he saved in the course of his career about 70 lives. True story. If he never became President, there are 70 people and their posterity that owe Ronald Reagan everything. That's a pretty full life if he never did anything else.