Democrats- where am I wrong on Obama

[robbase]

Ok this will be the first time I vote (first time I am really motivated), I know for sure I am voting against Obama, other than that not sure who I will vote for.

Below are my reasons, democrats please let me know where I am wrong...I like to think I am independent minded (but I know I lean right-- consider myself "center-right") so maybe you can convince me where I am wrong on this-

Below list is not necessarily in priority order

1) Obama talked about change & bi partisan effort during his campaign, and his first historic piece of legislation is health care reform, rammed down the throat, no republican vote of support what so ever. Also the Speaker of the House (at the time) admits she hasn't read the bill (most of those approving haven't read the bill), but that is OK we will figure it out as we go along :-(

2) Obama's administration decries the Arizona immigration law, his appointees attack the law with legal actions, and the best part? None of them actually read the bill (10 whopping pages), they just "know" it is bad some how.....I guess an unread health care reform bill is "good" and an unread immigration bill is "bad" :-(

3) Military action in Libya.....why? and why not get Congress support?

4) "I will close Guantanamo".....umm oops maybe not (but I am not going to make any statements as to why it is still open, or admit I was wrong, or explain it is too hard to do right now or anything, maybe the story will just go away)

5) Knowing we have budget issues I will submit my budget (President's budget) and not address it at all, put my head in the sand and sing "hakuna matata"

6) A black panther dude was acting out and possibly intimidating voters at a voting station (yelling and waving a stick or whatever around), and it is on tape, but my justice department doesn't want to look into it, OK sounds good to me

7) We are going to do the Khalid Sheik Mohammed (KSM) trial in New York City in civilian court, that is the right thing to do, ooops wait, no we will do a military tribunal instead and I won't mention why or anything or that I was wrong or whatever, maybe the story will just go away (see # 4 above)

8) My spokesman Robert Gibbs pokes fun at Sarah Palin by writing a grocery list on his hand (similar to how Sarah Palin had some crib notes written on her hand for a speech, making fun of that.... especially since Palin had just dogged Obama about the teleprompter )...on this maybe Gibbs had reason to poke fun at Palin, but it was NOT PROFESSIONAL at all for a Spokesman to do......I don't remember any other POTUS spokesman doing anything like this, but Obama lets it go

9) Democratic controlled Congress and White House fails to approve a budget (their main job) and then they lose control of the House and we get many CRAs....

Ok I will stop for now, maybe more later....but I would like to here a rational counterpoint if I am wrong on any of the above

[ed1066]

Nine great ideas for campaign commercials...I'm sure we'll see many of them, plus so many more broken promises, outright lies and illegal activities from this regime, it's easy pickin's...

[bubblyandblue]

I an not going to offer a rational counterpoint as alll decisions now seem to made on non-rational views - both sides rep and dem.
First - vote, vote, vote. It appears to me that many don't vote because it does not matter - you could roll in a truck load of excusses not to vote and it would be legit - except our vote matters as much as non-voting matters - both send a message.
Vote for whoever you want - tell your friends that you will not entertain any political conversation with anyone who does not or will not vote. As ugly as it all is, is not an excuse! Many have died before you and, possibly next to you for the cause of freedom - do not not vote - do not be swayed by fearmongering - as Ben Franklin said those that give up rights for a little security deserve neither.
I am a lefty/democrat/whatever - If I see someone supporting privalege, monopoly, fearmongering, etc. - I will not vote for that person no matter how distastefull the alternative is.
Base your vote on those that support the Constitution, Equality, Fight Tyranny in all its forms - vote the good fight and not the red herrings. I voted for Obama because I saw the other side voting for special privalege. I have been disapointed and my choices of the vote that I will cast is equal to eating the worst food in my life. You have a responsibility to vote - I don't care who - just vote.

[marshabar1]

Can't see where you're wrong on any of it, Robbase. Good luck though getting cogent rebuttals to any of your points.

Since Obama and the Democrats will be combating an actual record of "accomplishment" this time around I believe we can look for the dirtiest campaign in US history.

I don't think old people will find themselves more afraid of Republican caricatures this time than they are of the actual Barack Obama.

[bubblyandblue]

When someone perfers to use the term "regime" to describe a majority voted government then you know the guy is a smarmy reptile.
Some old sayings.
"Speaking of plastic surgery, isn’t there some way of transferring bone from a politician’s head to his back"
"A good president is one who happens to be on the job when you are having a run of good luck."
"There is a bright side, after watching great minds combat the recession you should be rid of your inferiority complex."
"Americans have more time saving devices and less time than any people on earth."
"He isn’t really a big time crook unless you must let him alone to prevent the loss of public confidence."
"Incidentally, the best way to put an end to all wars is not to begin any."
"Civilization is the condition in which one generation pays the last generation’s debts by issuing bonds for the next generation to pay."
"However, the evolutionary process by which monkeys made men of themselves was considerably slower than the reverse process."
VOTE

[mmhmm]

I'm not a Democrat, but I wouldn't say you're wrong. What's wrong for one might be right for another. That's okay by me.

[ed1066]

When someone perfers to use the term "regime" to describe a majority voted government then you know the guy is a smarmy reptile

The Cuban government is majority-elected (usually by about 98%). So is North Korea, Iran, Russia and Myanmar. What would you call those?

[bubblyandblue]

Let me guess

[billisonboard]

Jun 22, 2011 11:17:52 GMT -5 @robbase said:

... I know for sure I am voting against Obama ...

Since this is a decision made, I would recommend that you ask of people other than Democrats why you should vote for a candidate of their party (unless the purpose of your thread is to just rip on Obama).

[bubblyandblue]

–noun, plural -cies.
1. government by the people; a form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them or by their elected agents under a free electoral system.
2. a state having such a form of government: The United States and canada are democracies.
3. a state of society characterized by formal equality of rights and privileges.
Since #3 of the equation does not apply to you examples then they are not democracys. Now apply #3 to us

[Deleted]

Rob you left out the part that he wants to turn the U.S. into a socialist nation & that's knowing that socialism doesn't work (well, at least). So he's not only a socialist but he's dumb as well.

[privateinvestor]

Democrats- where am I wrong on Obama

I am probably not the right one to answer your question about Obama but ask yourself if you are better off now than you were on 15 January 2009 then you might be able to overlook his many failures. But if you are not better off and think he has been a disaster then what can I say but either not vote or perhaps you should vote for his opponent in 2012 whoever he or she might be..

But if you lost your job and cannot find employment or your standard of living has been impacted by inflation, low wages and uncertaintly about the future of our country then join the club...you are NOT alone and pray that Obama is only a one term disaster in our White House..like Jimmy Carter was from 1977 to 1981..

[marshabar1]

The Democrats have no cogent rebuttals to any of the points raised by Robbase and the sort of responses you see here are going to be multiplied by millions in the coming election campaign. Personal attacks and obfuscations will rule the campaign. It's all they've got.

[magichat]

Not a democrat but my rebuttal to #6 is:

What kind of pansy ass people are we raising in this country that they were intimidated by that guy? Seriously I weep for the pansies.

[Deleted]

Nice to meet you, Rob. I consider myself center right also. Unfortunately everything you said is true. It all shows lack of knowledge, lack of integrity, and an incredible arrogance. He didn't disappoint me much, is exactly what I thought he would be, but I feel kind of bad for people that voted FOR him to do all those things he didn't do. I'm with you, don't know who I will vote for, but it will be ABO (Anyone But Obama)

[jkapp]

Jun 22, 2011 12:33:46 GMT -5 @magichat said:

Not a democrat but my rebuttal to #6 is:

What kind of pansy ass people are we raising in this country that they were intimidated by that guy? Seriously I weep for the pansies.

Well you couldn't confront him because then you are racist...

And you couldn't protect yourself through force if he became physical because then you would be charged with a hate crime...

[robbase]

so, I don't post on this board (politics & markets) often.....

are there no Dems on here? or just no rationale counterpoint?

I know on YM there are some left leaning peeps on there, so I was hoping there were some on here as well? (this topic didn't seem appropriate for YM)

[Deleted]

Not many Dems are happy with Obama from what I see here, rob. He is generally pretty unpopular, even with people that hate Republicans. There-- maybe that will get you some defense of Obama.

[SweetVirginia]

Jun 23, 2011 12:00:31 GMT -5 @robbase said:

so, I don't post on this board (politics & markets) often.....

are there no Dems on here? or just no rationale counterpoint?

I know on YM there are some left leaning peeps on there, so I was hoping there were some on here as well? (this topic didn't seem appropriate for YM)

rob, you made it clear that you have made your decision not to vote for Obama. Not sure what you are looking for here.

[robbase]

Not sure what you are looking for here.

just to hear what, if anything, that I may be wrong about in the OP

[Deleted]

I understand you, rob. Just looking for answers. I am sorting through the Republican candidates right now trying to find one I can prove to myself is worthy of voting for. That's what we all should do. We wouldn't have Obama if people had done that. Never trust, dig, dig, dig-- that's my take on things. Maybe, for different reasons, no one likes Obama any more. I think Dezi does.

[floridayankee]

Jun 23, 2011 13:35:52 GMT -5 @krickitt said:

I understand you, rob. Just looking for answers. I am sorting through the Republican candidates right now trying to find one I can prove to myself is worthy of voting for.

I'm registered as indy so I don't get a voice in the FL primaries. I don't bother digging too deep until we get closer to having actual candidates selected.

This early, I'll say I am still pulling for Gary Johnson though. He seems to be further to the right on the fiscal issues than the other repubs and more toward the center on the social issues than the other front running repubs.

[Deleted]

He seems okay. I just wish he was more powerful in presentation. You know how this country has gotten. Looking for the glitz. Disgusting. Hey, Willie endorses Johnson, and I have loved Willie since I was a teenager!!! GEEZ-- 40 years!!!
;D

[pepper112765]

I can't answer all the questions but the ideal of bi-partisan cooperation is but a fantasy. Just as citizens of states electing senators and congressman to represent their states, districts and interests but who then get to Washington and suddenly contract a case of amnesia or possibly are hit with reality that the game of politics is akin to a hamster running on a wheel in a cage, GOING NOWHERE FAST. It is all a game. Those elected, whether legislation is enacted or not, and who are paid with our tax dollars that will afford them the best in health insurance, a dynamite pension and other tangible and intangible benefits, can afford to play with the lives of their constituents. The result of which is the blaming of other constituents who get more, less, is deserving, undeserving, fill in the blank, and takes the focus off those that we collectively voted in office are doing absolutely nothing because their main focus is on being re-elected, touting the same promises that got them elected in the first place. They literally have no dog in the fight of the things that matter to the constituents. They are taken care of. Bashing both parties equally... and they are equally full of bull. Just my two cents.

[magichat]

Jun 22, 2011 13:47:49 GMT -5 jkapp said:

Jun 22, 2011 12:33:46 GMT -5 @magichat said:

Not a democrat but my rebuttal to #6 is:

What kind of pansy ass people are we raising in this country that they were intimidated by that guy? Seriously I weep for the pansies.

Well you couldn't confront him because then you are racist...

And you couldn't protect yourself through force if he became physical because then you would be charged with a hate crime...

Me personally I would have laughed my ass off while walking around him.

[robbase]

are any dems on this board? or just no comments from Dems on this topic? just curious

thanks

[billisonboard]

[deziloooooo]

Jun 22, 2011 11:17:52 GMT -5 @robbase said:

Ok this will be the first time I vote (first time I am really motivated), I know for sure I am voting against Obama, other than that not sure who I will vote for.

Below are my reasons, democrats please let me know where I am wrong...I like to think I am independent minded (but I know I lean right-- consider myself "center-right") so maybe you can convince me where I am wrong on this-

Below list is not necessarily in priority order

1) Obama talked about change & bi partisan effort during his campaign, and his first historic piece of legislation is health care reform, rammed down the throat, no republican vote of support what so ever. Also the Speaker of the House (at the time) admits she hasn't read the bill (most of those approving haven't read the bill), but that is OK we will figure it out as we go along :-(

2) Obama's administration decries the Arizona immigration law, his appointees attack the law with legal actions, and the best part? None of them actually read the bill (10 whopping pages), they just "know" it is bad some how.....I guess an unread health care reform bill is "good" and an unread immigration bill is "bad" :-(

3) Military action in Libya.....why? and why not get Congress support?

4) "I will close Guantanamo".....umm oops maybe not (but I am not going to make any statements as to why it is still open, or admit I was wrong, or explain it is too hard to do right now or anything, maybe the story will just go away)

5) Knowing we have budget issues I will submit my budget (President's budget) and not address it at all, put my head in the sand and sing "hakuna matata"

6) A black panther dude was acting out and possibly intimidating voters at a voting station (yelling and waving a stick or whatever around), and it is on tape, but my justice department doesn't want to look into it, OK sounds good to me

7) We are going to do the Khalid Sheik Mohammed (KSM) trial in New York City in civilian court, that is the right thing to do, ooops wait, no we will do a military tribunal instead and I won't mention why or anything or that I was wrong or whatever, maybe the story will just go away (see # 4 above)

8) My spokesman Robert Gibbs pokes fun at Sarah Palin by writing a grocery list on his hand (similar to how Sarah Palin had some crib notes written on her hand for a speech, making fun of that.... especially since Palin had just dogged Obama about the teleprompter )...on this maybe Gibbs had reason to poke fun at Palin, but it was NOT PROFESSIONAL at all for a Spokesman to do......I don't remember any other POTUS spokesman doing anything like this, but Obama lets it go

9) Democratic controlled Congress and White House fails to approve a budget (their main job) and then they lose control of the House and we get many CRAs....

Ok I will stop for now, maybe more later....but I would like to here a rational counterpoint if I am wrong on any of the above

#2... Obama feels Immigration is a federal responsibility not one to be kleft to the states..I think it is working it's way through the court system now, will probably be before the SCOTUS in time..then we'll se who is correct.

#3... discussed before..payback to our allies for their support oin Afganistan, important to them, as well as potential blood bath by Gaddafi..seems we, USA, have taken a back seat to this endeaver, and from remarks of Gaddafi just the other day, this is a unstable person, able to possible cause great grief on those he feels have dissed him...

#4...here the Republicans threw up many road blocks, the opening of a prison, empty, new, in a western state to houise those inmates, also no $ to transport them back and forth, again the pubs, to the states for trial, so for now, no other place to keep them, many of those should never be let free, unless you feel we are not at war with groups who wish us harm and will continue that endeavor for the rest of their lives.

#5..he has been addressing it, you might not like hiis taker on it, the tax cuts , reducing spending but not enough to suit you possible, but he's the POTUS, he has the right to his ideas..knows more then you and I on the nitty gritty and the way it will affec , in his mind to cut to much, but to say he is putting his hand in the sand, not true, you just don't like his take on it, which is your right, butto insinuate no action, there your wrong.

#6...you want me to comment on some minor BS that happened , a isolated event , give me and the POTUS a break..there are so many of these things , types that have happened whiole he has been in office, you want to make this a biggie, your business, that I even commented on it at all.. me bad.

#7..seems New York does not want this trial..for what ever reason, possible Justice department has some problem having it under civilien law..

#8, same response on this one as the #6, this is what you are basing your support or not on..your right, my response to that would be along the lines of , get real already, but you may be insulted so lets just leave it as the same importance as the # 6.

Ok the biggie..# 1..to him, a important piece of legislation..the pubs basically bailed on this one, they did, to bad , even as a minority party they could have contributed some good legislation I believe..The bill definitly needs to be tweaked and i beleive it will be over the years as it is initiated, think as of now ,2014, and if there is a new administration in 23012, I do not beleive it will quickly be done away with under the new administraion...tweaked, in some ways , changed in others, but to take these people who will be covered now and remove this coverage, i don't beleive so.

Naturally IMHO..always that.

[privateinvestor]

Democrats- where am I wrong on Obama

I am a Democrat and we still have 1 1/2 years to judge whether or not we want 4 more years or not...Personally I think 4 more years of Obama is not what our country wants or needs unless a miracle happens and he turns our slow economy around and our troops are exited from Iraq and Afghanistan which is what we Democrats would like to see..

P.I. (Ole Reagan Democrat)

[djAdvocate]

ok, i am not sure you are actually looking for any feedback here. you seem to have already made up your mind, and that is fine. but i am going to take on your list anyway, because i like lists:

1) Obama talked about change & bi partisan effort during his campaign, and his first historic piece of legislation is health care reform, rammed down the throat, no republican vote of support what so ever. Also the Speaker of the House (at the time) admits she hasn't read the bill (most of those approving haven't read the bill), but that is OK we will figure it out as we go along :-(

he can be accused of being naiive, or you can simply say that he tried, and get over it. this congress was never going to cooperate, and so he did what he felt he needed to do. if you don't like it, vote him out. but i believe, right or wrong, that this was a promise that could not have been kept any better than he kept it: barely.

2) Obama's administration decries the Arizona immigration law, his appointees attack the law with legal actions, and the best part? None of them actually read the bill (10 whopping pages), they just "know" it is bad some how.....I guess an unread health care reform bill is "good" and an unread immigration bill is "bad" :-(

i think there is plenty in that law to disagree with, but since you apparently don't, there is little point in arguing.


3) Military action in Libya.....why? and why not get Congress support?

for the same reason we went to Iraq, one might presume.
hint: it has nothing to do with WMD.

4) "I will close Guantanamo".....umm oops maybe not (but I am not going to make any statements as to why it is still open, or admit I was wrong, or explain it is too hard to do right now or anything, maybe the story will just go away)


this was another one that i had hoped he would accomplish. but again, let's face facts: nobody else was even considering the idea. so those that voted for him at least got the consideration.

5) Knowing we have budget issues I will submit my budget (President's budget) and not address it at all, put my head in the sand and sing "hakuna matata"

not following you here. Bush's last budget was at least $1.2T in the red. he never promised he would balance the budget, and he pretty much delivered.

6) A black panther dude was acting out and possibly intimidating voters at a voting station (yelling and waving a stick or whatever around), and it is on tape, but my justice department doesn't want to look into it, OK sounds good to me

after reviewing this, i don't think there is anything to this allegation.

7) We are going to do the Khalid Sheik Mohammed (KSM) trial in New York City in civilian court, that is the right thing to do, ooops wait, no we will do a military tribunal instead and I won't mention why or anything or that I was wrong or whatever, maybe the story will just go away (see # 4 above)

i was also in favor of this. what KSM and other terrorists want is a military trial, because they view this as a holy war. giving them a civilian trial deprives him of that- unless of course we don't have the evidence to convict him and have to rely on heresay. nudge nudge, wink wink.

8) My spokesman Robert Gibbs pokes fun at Sarah Palin by writing a grocery list on his hand (similar to how Sarah Palin had some crib notes written on her hand for a speech, making fun of that.... especially since Palin had just dogged Obama about the teleprompter )...on this maybe Gibbs had reason to poke fun at Palin, but it was NOT PROFESSIONAL at all for a Spokesman to do......I don't remember any other POTUS spokesman doing anything like this, but Obama lets it go

i don't know anything about this, and therefore, can't comment.

9) Democratic controlled Congress and White House fails to approve a budget (their main job) and then they lose control of the House and we get many CRAs....

not sure what you mean here. we have a budget.

Ok I will stop for now, maybe more later....but I would like to here a rational counterpoint if I am wrong on any of the above