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Post by swamp on Jun 17, 2011 10:08:59 GMT -5
::Abortion will remain legal unless or until SCOTUS rules otherwise. People want JOBS. They want fuel they can AFFORD. They want FOOD they can afford.::
You're absolutely right, and the I would vote for any Republican candidate who had the cojones to tell the RNC to get their noses out of women's uteri and concentrate on the important issues.
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Post by marshabar1 on Jun 17, 2011 10:21:53 GMT -5
One of Obama's problems is that old people are more afraid of him, because of his actions and attitudes, than they are of the boogy man evil Republican the left conjures up every election cycle. The "scare the old folks" ploy won't work this time.
Obama is scarier than the strawman the left always conjures up.
The second problem is that he sold himself to poor blacks as a magic man who could miraculously solve their problems. He fizzled in that regard. The magic's gone and he won't be able to fool them again. I doubt they'll vote against Obama, but they certainly won't bother to go out and vote for him again. Nothing is so dead spirited as a person awakened from a cultish fever.
I don't know about numbers Paul, but I think the thing we have to fear is Democrat voting "irregularities." You can bet they'll be clawing for their lives and using every dirty trick in the book.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 17, 2011 10:22:25 GMT -5
Can I get back to you when I see who the Republican candidate is? Obama is vulnerable, but it depends on who he is running against. And, no matter who the republican is, Obama will also carry NY, VT, and DC. I thought about NY, but I think that even NY-- maybe especially NY-- people want jobs, too. In the event the economy improves- it will improve most in states that are going "R" anyway-- the states already forging ahead and lowering taxes, cutting spending, and following pro-growth policies. So, any improvement in the jobs picture won't happen in CA, NY, IL, MA, et al. VT is gone and DC doesn't have any electoral votes.
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Post by swamp on Jun 17, 2011 10:23:28 GMT -5
Can I get back to you when I see who the Republican candidate is? Obama is vulnerable, but it depends on who he is running against. And, no matter who the republican is, Obama will also carry NY, VT, and DC. I thought about NY, but I think that even NY-- maybe especially NY-- people want jobs, too. In the event the economy improves- it will improve most in states that are going "R" anyway-- the states already forging ahead and lowering taxes, cutting spending, and following pro-growth policies. So, any improvement in the jobs picture won't happen in CA, NY, IL, MA, et al. VT is gone and DC doesn't have any electoral votes. I thought DC had 1 vote. ETA: Per wiki: * Washington, D.C., although not a state, is granted three electoral votes by the Twenty-third Amendment.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2011 10:25:28 GMT -5
People ARE keeping what they earn... federal income taxes as a percentage of GDP are at the LOWEST levels they have been in forever... he has CUT taxes, not raised them.
I'm sorry your party is over... you must not have been playing the stock market since Obama took over? Must not be benefiting from those record corporate profits?
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 17, 2011 10:30:33 GMT -5
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 17, 2011 10:35:33 GMT -5
People ARE keeping what they earn... federal income taxes as a percentage of GDP are at the LOWEST levels they have been in forever... he has CUT taxes, not raised them. I'm sorry your party is over... you must not have been playing the stock market since Obama took over? Must not be benefiting from those record corporate profits? It doesn't matter if they make record profits. It is amazing to me that libs do not understand that people are ENTITLED to the money they earn; but they are NOT ENTITLED to the money other people earn. I didn't bring up welfare and taxes- but I think any "R" candidate would be more than happy to take Obama on with respect to his promise to raise taxes. I think anyone would be happy to explain to the public that there's a SPEND TOO MUCH problem and NOT a tax too little problem.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 17, 2011 10:36:34 GMT -5
www.dirtyspendingsecrets.com <<< Does Barry want to go line by line (as he promised he would) and explain why these programs are so essential that he HAD TO break his PROMISE to cut the deficit in HALF by the end of his first term?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2011 10:36:52 GMT -5
Oh people are always happy to say what they think will get them elected... doesn't make it true...
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 17, 2011 10:47:23 GMT -5
::Abortion will remain legal unless or until SCOTUS rules otherwise. People want JOBS. They want fuel they can AFFORD. They want FOOD they can afford.:: You're absolutely right, and the I would vote for any Republican candidate who had the cojones to tell the RNC to get their noses out of women's uteri and concentrate on the important issues. Well, you know that I'm pro-life. But I would vote for Pro-Choice Gary Johnson (R) who would do just that-- except that he would restrict abortion to pre-viability which is a dubious notion to me as a pro-life person, but I'd accept cutting ALL federal funding of abortion, and limiting abortion to pre-20 weeks. The problem is that most Democrats are radical abortion-on-demand supporters who'd never go for any restrictions on abortion. Barry himself would rather see a live baby die in a janitorial supply closet "if that's what the mother intended" rather than limit even the most infanticidal impulses of the radical culture of death abortion on demand types.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 17, 2011 10:50:52 GMT -5
I think most people here- including you, Swamp-- would never vote for the 'other' party. Oh, you say- well if they this, and if they that-- but the reality is that when push comes to shove- you're a Democrat. You may not ALWAYS vote Democrat- just like I will not ALWAYS vote Republican, but I suspect when it comes to national elections, you will NEVER vote Republican just as I will NEVER vote Democrat. If not- good for you. I'm very closed minded on Democrats. The Party is so saturated in socialism, crony capitalism, and corruption that it just "is" those things to me. It's not like the "instances" you find in the Republican Party. It's Democrat way of life, and I will NEVER support one.
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Post by formerexpat on Jun 17, 2011 10:57:48 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2011 10:59:53 GMT -5
I won't even listen to the debates if the choice is bauchman or santorum... but i'd at least listen if there was an intelligent... socially libertarian, candidate... I wasn't always a democrat...
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Post by swamp on Jun 17, 2011 11:01:05 GMT -5
I think most people here- including you, Swamp-- would never vote for the 'other' party. Oh, you say- well if they this, and if they that-- but the reality is that when push comes to shove- you're a Democrat. You may not ALWAYS vote Democrat- just like I will not ALWAYS vote Republican, but I suspect when it comes to national elections, you will NEVER vote Republican just as I will NEVER vote Democrat. If not- good for you. I'm very closed minded on Democrats. The Party is so saturated in socialism, crony capitalism, and corruption that it just "is" those things to me. It's not like the "instances" you find in the Republican Party. It's Democrat way of life, and I will NEVER support one. I've never voted party line, and have voted for republicans on the state and national level. I would have voted for McCain this last election had it not been for his VP choice.
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Post by Bluerobin on Jun 17, 2011 11:05:23 GMT -5
PBP, let's see, the Pubs want to outlaw abortion. Then they cut WIC, but give a $100k tax break to millionaires. Yep, John Q is really gonna want to follow their lead. It doesn't matter if Ryan is right or wrong. He is appealing to the lunatic fringe of the Pubs, not the masses. The pubs have to get back to what the majority of their constituents want, and sway some dems. Abortion will remain legal unless or until SCOTUS rules otherwise. People want JOBS. They want fuel they can AFFORD. They want FOOD they can afford. If Democrats want to run on sympathy for welfare lifers- be my guest. Oh, won't you please run on welfare after Clinton won popular re-election on welfare reform, if Barry "Foodstamps" Obama wants to return the Democratic Party to its radical "welfare rights" roots- I don't think that'll bode well for him- or his party. Letting people keep what they earn is just American. Taking what people earn to redistribute it is anti-American. We've been down this road before. It failed under iron-fisted Democrat / liberal rule until Reagan broke it and we prospered ever since that time. That dog don't hunt and if Barry wants to return the Democratic Party to its well-earned reputation as being "tax and spend liberals" then he will lose. The People did express their will. It's amazing how quickly we forget that there has been an election since 2008-- and that election was a repudiation of Obama's policies and of the Democrat congress's out of control spending. The party is over. Point being: don't abort them, just starve them after they are born. The people expressed that they were getting nothing done in a dem house and senate with a dem president. They are not gonna be happy with a house making symbolic laws.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 17, 2011 11:05:39 GMT -5
I won't even listen to the debates if the choice is bauchman or santorum... but i'd at least listen if there was an intelligent... socially libertarian, candidate... I wasn't always a democrat... Well, unfortunately we're not going to get an intelligent candidate from either party. We'll never nominate a Ron Paul or Gary Johnson. We're just going to have to do what we always do- do the best we can with what we've got. I think Romney will blow it up for the GOP if he gets the nomination. I certainly would stay home if he was running. I didn't vote for McCain, either. And looking back, I think that was a high quality decision- maybe I should have voted for Obama. McCain would have been worse because his Presidency would have continued the destruction of the GOP that Bush began and in the end we may have been in worse shape than we are now.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2011 11:14:13 GMT -5
Yet Romney has the best chance of actually winning...
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Post by Mkitty is pro kitty on Jun 17, 2011 11:16:26 GMT -5
Only if "generic republican" runs for President. People always do worse against generic opponents because it has no faults at all. And even if that's bad, the REAL Republican candidates are much worse. And just wait until the number of potential candidates are whittled away and people can concentrate on the ones left.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2011 11:22:52 GMT -5
Only if "generic republican" runs for President. People always do worse against generic opponents because it has no faults at all. And even if that's bad, the REAL Republican candidates are much worse. And just wait until the number of potential candidates are whittled away and people can concentrate on the ones left. And why are they much worse, because they don't follow your liberal view ?
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Post by formerexpat on Jun 17, 2011 11:42:44 GMT -5
I do have to commend you for a post that doesn't straight out attack a poster. Clearly all of the potential R candidates can't be much worse. If that were true, even in generic, they would lose to Obama because the individual, regardless of who was nominated is worse than Obama in the opinions of voters. The left ran on a successful campaign of McCain being 4 more years of Bush [whether true or not]. I suspect that a simple campaign of 4 more years of Obama will be almost equally successful.
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Post by Bluerobin on Jun 17, 2011 12:20:25 GMT -5
former, Palin buried McCain and nothing else.
The pubs need a viable candidate who doesn't spew the crap of the radical right, which is only about 30 % of the party. The majority of the party can and will nominate a much more mainstream candidate, if one can be found. Oh, yes, he has to appease the seniors, because that group does consistently vote.
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 17, 2011 12:50:08 GMT -5
former, Palin buried McCain and nothing else. The pubs need a viable candidate who doesn't spew the crap of the radical right, which is only about 30 % of the party. The majority of the party can and will nominate a much more mainstream candidate, if one can be found. Oh, yes, he has to appease the seniors, because that group does consistently vote. So no gutting Medicare? Damn!
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 17, 2011 12:51:10 GMT -5
Yet Romney has the best chance of actually winning... Truth be told, even I am tempted by Romney.
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 17, 2011 12:52:43 GMT -5
I won't even listen to the debates if the choice is bauchman or santorum... but i'd at least listen if there was an intelligent... socially libertarian, candidate... I wasn't always a democrat... You are kidding, right? That will be entertainment of the century. How about a Bachmann/Santorum combo? Bring it on!
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 17, 2011 13:06:17 GMT -5
By the way how many of you here have googled santorum? Don't count Rick out without first goggling him.
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Post by EVT1 on Jun 17, 2011 13:27:13 GMT -5
The problem is that most Democrats are radical abortion-on-demand supporters who'd never go for any restrictions on abortion. Barry himself would rather see a live baby die in a janitorial supply closet "if that's what the mother intended" rather than limit even the most infanticidal impulses of the radical culture of death abortion on demand types. What planet do you live on? 1) Every pro-choice person I know considers abortion a last resort- but in your world I guess Democrats enjoy them 2) Next to Obama being the anti-christ you have reached a new low 3) Radical culture of death? Too bad we can't screen for extremist wing nuts and abort them before they infect society. How's that for a radical culture of death?
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 17, 2011 13:28:45 GMT -5
Do I need to post the list of states with highest and lowest abortion stats again? The liberal states have the fewest abortions, the conservative states the most.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2011 13:33:23 GMT -5
Yeah... i make sure to send out my Save the Date card early for the annual abortion party... to make sure everyone can get knocked up in time... and we can all celebrate abortion on tap together ....
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