Obama strikes back at Netanyahu and Israel

[privateinvestor]

When Hillary Clinton claimed on several occasions recently that peace talks in the Middle East with Palestine and Israel are very complicated and wrought with risks and peril, that was probably an understatement to say the least..

[henryclay]

Yeah, ed. That does seem to be what the liberals think.

PI. Hillary can make melting an ice cube complicated. Giving up on killing Jews for sport just doesn't seem that complicated.

[deziloooooo]

ahhh ed is here ...same old same...always a liberal in there hoping for...[sigh}

[henryclay]

desi, , , , , _{you are trolling}

tsk, tsk.

[privateinvestor]

Jun 15, 2011 15:16:05 GMT -5 henryclay said:

Yeah, ed. That does seem to be what the liberals think.

PI. Hillary can make melting an ice cube complicated. Giving up on killing Jews for sport just doesn't seem that complicated.

Henry I think the wild card is what will Hamas do or not do?? Fatah and Hamas don't seem to be agreeing on anything yet...and are they ready for peace talks in August with Netanyahu??

We'll find out in six weeks or so and Obama putting pressure on Netanyahu for poltical gain after over two years on the sidelines is a farce..

[henryclay]

P.I. If Israel has any sense about itself they will listen to him. Of all the people anyone under pressure could possibly want as a leader, who could they remotely think about as being better suited than Netanyahu?

Just look at the man's resume'. He probably has more time sitting face to face across the table with the leaders of Israel's neighbors than any other person in the country. Not to speak of having to deal with what those same leaders promised and failed to deliver.

It boils down to him wanting it in the kind of writing now that has teeth in it.

The best example that comes to my mind is what the Pakistani immigrant told the judge when he was on trial for trying to kill Americans. The judge asked him how he could swear allegiance to the United States and then try to pull off an act of terrorism. He told the judge, "You really don't understand, do you? You are my enemy so I lied".

I truly think Netanyahu has lived all of his 62 years hearing that just about every night when he goes to bed and again when he wakes up in the morning. And why not? It seems to be the truth.

See Netanyahu's biography on Wikipedia here:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Netanyahu

[privateinvestor]

Henry...I watched the Netanyahu interview with Wolf Blizter (CNN) just after he addressed the congress. And Netanyahu said he has outlined his demands for the peace negotiations with Palestine and he has to get his own government as well as Palestine to agree with them or else NO Talks so we don't know if the meeing in August or six weeks is indeed a reality or a goal that is out there for talking purposes only. Netanyahu wants no part of Hamas in these talks and will not change on other issues.

[deziloooooo]

Jun 15, 2011 16:05:00 GMT -5 henryclay said:

desi, , , , , _{you are trolling}

tsk, tsk.

naaa, just a thought of the content of the post presented..that's all, think smileys are still allowed, though as one who would know....mmmmmm, have to take that under advisement..will get back to you.

[deziloooooo]

Jun 15, 2011 16:06:32 GMT -5 @privateinvestor said:

Jun 15, 2011 15:16:05 GMT -5 henryclay said:

Yeah, ed. That does seem to be what the liberals think.

PI. Hillary can make melting an ice cube complicated. Giving up on killing Jews for sport just doesn't seem that complicated.

Henry I think the wild card is what will Hamas do or not do?? Fatah and Hamas don't seem to be agreeing on anything yet...and are they ready for peace talks in August with Netanyahu??

We'll find out in six weeks or so and Obama putting pressure on Netanyahu for poltical gain after over two years on the sidelines is a farce..

Not been on the side lines..been very active...also had a lot on his plate for the first year and beyond with domestic concerns, Afganistan..I could fill a page, but appointed a special over seer to try and make things happen, Hillery many trips over there, then the Arab spring...sidelines?? You have to be kidding....

You just didn't like, what else is new, his actions with the tiopic..it's not as if he was on the sidelines.

Now Bush..oh yeah, sidelines, end zone any where but active on the subject..

[henryclay]

Okay, desi. So you read pictures? Good. No words needed here.

[privateinvestor]

Obama is keen to get the Israeli and Palestinian leaders round the peace table in time for his reelection campaign - a diplomatic feat that has eluded him for two years. His administration is also keen to deter the Palestinian leader from going ahead with his quest for UN recognition of a state within the 1967 lines.

Two years and now Obama is getting involved?? His liaison George Mitchell resigned because of the fractions in Palestine fighting among themselves and Netanyahu's insistence on his way or the highway...but I seriously doubt that there will be talks and if there are in six weeks nothing will be accomplished...Obama is doing this for one reason only...his re election campaign and the Jewish vote

[deziloooooo]

Jun 15, 2011 16:46:33 GMT -5 @privateinvestor said:

Obama is keen to get the Israeli and Palestinian leaders round the peace table in time for his reelection campaign - a diplomatic feat that has eluded him for two years. His administration is also keen to deter the Palestinian leader from going ahead with his quest for UN recognition of a state within the 1967 lines.

What ever works...go for it.

[deziloooooo]

Jun 15, 2011 16:46:33 GMT -5 @privateinvestor said:

Obama is keen to get the Israeli and Palestinian leaders round the peace table in time for his reelection campaign - a diplomatic feat that has eluded him for two years. His administration is also keen to deter the Palestinian leader from going ahead with his quest for UN recognition of a state within the 1967 lines.

Two years and now Obama is getting involved?? His liaison George Mitchell resigned because of the fractions in Palestine fighting among themselves and Netanyahu's insistence on his way or the highway...but I serious doubt that there will be talks and it there are in six weeks nothing Will be accomplished...Obama is doing this for one reason only...his re election campaign and the Jewish vote

Love your positive vibes , something I am sure was a great thing to have on any team you must have been on..a real shot in the arm you would be...

[privateinvestor]

Jun 15, 2011 16:45:27 GMT -5 henryclay said:

Okay, desi. So you read pictures? Good. No words needed here.

Henry just hit the Ignore widget...it works for me

[henryclay]

Ignore somebody? Not me. It's "a" instance deciding if I want to miss out on anything, and I don't. I'm having "to" much fun. Heck, I'm even learning to watch my spelling and syntax better. You know, when to use "a" versus "an", and when to use "to" versus "too". . . . . you know; fun things like that.

Here is a little of an interview with Susan Rice, the US Ambassador to the UN. It says volumes:

Dergham: Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu put his own conditions differently, even against the President of the United States perception of this That’s why they’re (Palestinians) are going to go another approach.

Rice: That can’t be accomplished through a piece of paper, whether in the Security Council or the General Assembly. The United States is not going to support unilateral efforts by either party to bypass the necessity of negotiations. So that answers both your questions, in terms of the Security Council and the General Assembly. Our aim has been and continues to be encouraging the parties’ return with seriousness to the negotiating table. When President Obama in his May 19th speech laid out very importantly the US perspective on how the critical issues of borders and security ought to be addressed as a basis for negotiations, he did so to underscore to the parties and the world the necessity of both coming back to the table in seriousness. That is what President Abbas says is his objective, I hope he means it. I hope the Palestinians will come to the table on the basis of what the President of the United States laid out, and I hope the Israelis will too.

Dergham: So the president would not back down.

Rice: The president has not backed down, and will not back down. That is, President Obama

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Obama won't back down, so somebody else has to? And the decision was made even after discussions with Israel's Prime Minister, but without any input from Abbas OR from Hamas.

With friends like Obama, who the devil needs enemies?

What WE need is a new president.

[privateinvestor]

Rice: The president has not backed down, and will not back down. That is, President Obama


Rice is lightweight and not at all fit for the job as Ambassador to the UN during the current crises around the globe...no wonder Bob Gates is leaving the Pentagon...our so called Commander in Chief is a complete failure and his cabinet is demoralized....maybe Michele Bachmann is correct "Obama is a 1 term president"..??

BTW I disagee about the Ignore widget and think it is awesome..don't miss the heckling and taunting at all..

[deziloooooo]

Jun 15, 2011 17:22:01 GMT -5 henryclay said:

Ignore somebody? Not me. It's "a" instance deciding if I want to miss out on anything, and I don't. I'm having "to" much fun. Heck, I'm even learning to watch my spelling and syntax better. You know, when to use "a" versus "an", and when to use "to" versus "too". . . . . you know; fun things like that.

Here is a little of an interview with Susan Rice, the US Ambassador to the UN. It says volumes:

Dergham: Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu put his own conditions differently, even against the President of the United States perception of this That’s why they’re (Palestinians) are going to go another approach.

Rice: That can’t be accomplished through a piece of paper, whether in the Security Council or the General Assembly. The United States is not going to support unilateral efforts by either party to bypass the necessity of negotiations. So that answers both your questions, in terms of the Security Council and the General Assembly. Our aim has been and continues to be encouraging the parties’ return with seriousness to the negotiating table. When President Obama in his May 19th speech laid out very importantly the US perspective on how the critical issues of borders and security ought to be addressed as a basis for negotiations, he did so to underscore to the parties and the world the necessity of both coming back to the table in seriousness. That is what President Abbas says is his objective, I hope he means it. I hope the Palestinians will come to the table on the basis of what the President of the United States laid out, and I hope the Israelis will too.

Dergham: So the president would not back down.

Rice: The president has not backed down, and will not back down. That is, President Obama

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Obama won't back down, so somebody else has to? And the decision was made even after discussions with Israel's Prime Minister, but without any input from Abbas OR from Hamas.

With friends like Obama, who the devil needs enemies?

What WE need is a new president.

"What WE need is a new president."

Sorry ed , have to borrow those items...thanks, knew you would understand..[sigh}

[henryclay]

ed? Is ed here? I haven't seen or head from him, but if desi says he's here, he must be here.

I'll speak to him, , , , , Hi ed. How's tricks?

[NoMoreLunacy]

Jun 15, 2011 14:24:36 GMT -5 floridayankee said:

Jun 15, 2011 13:45:05 GMT -5 NoMoreLunacy said:

Incidentally, it is kind of sad that many Americans would rather support a foreign country slapping down their own President. Not a bunch of patriots here it seems. But then I am not surprised. Conservatives are rarely patriots.

lmao. Considering most liberals were giddy as a school girl every time Chavez trashed Bush, I'd guess your side lacks patriots as well.

Oh sure. Liberals believe that patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel. Everyone should think for themselves instead of just dancing to the the tune of the leader. So that's to be expected.

But conservatives after all the BS over the Bush regime about how in a time of war everyone should just support the President, period, is suddenly changing tunes now that a Democrat is in the White House.

Hypocrisy much?

[NoMoreLunacy]

Jun 15, 2011 14:27:42 GMT -5 henryclay said:

Obama's stance on the Middle East issues were well known.

Got any links that will back that up?

Not that the session in the joinrt session of congress seems to mean anything when Netanyahu got 17 standing ovations within 30 minutes from "the people" of the Un ited States.

Obama made a campaign promise of peace in the middle east through negotiations. You can google and find it. I am just surprised that you are even asking for it, as conservatives love to point out that Obama broke that promise, at least for the first two years. Well, he was busy doing other things like stabilizing the economy and passing health care reform, and he is now taking up the issue of peace in the middle east.

People knew this, still voted for Obama. Well, they got what they voted for, so why are they acting surprised. Majority of Americans support Israel, so I am not surprised by the standing ovations. But when it comes to foreign policy, the President has the ultimate say; it is the POTUS who speaks for Americans in such matters.

There's that pesky thing called the Constitution again, you know? The one that conservatives don't like to follow?

[Politically_Incorrect12]

Jun 15, 2011 13:45:05 GMT -5 NoMoreLunacy said:

Incidentally, it is kind of sad that many Americans would rather support a foreign country slapping down their own President. Not a bunch of patriots here it seems. But then I am not surprised. Conservatives are rarely patriots.

yeah it's not like any liberals laughed when a shoe was thrown at President Bush.

[Politically_Incorrect12]

Jun 15, 2011 14:17:37 GMT -5 NoMoreLunacy said:

Jun 15, 2011 14:07:31 GMT -5 rovo said:

If a row like this has the power to turn the American Jewish vote away from Obama, then he will surely be toast in the next election.

You would be surprised. There is a huge section of progressive Jews at least in the North East who think blind support of Israel as it commits genocide is totally wrong. The support for Israel is driven by Evangelicals in the red states and Obama is never going to get their votes anyway.

You are definitely full of something...and you might want to wash your hands after typing all that crap.

[NoMoreLunacy]

Afraid of the facts eh?

[NoMoreLunacy]

Jun 16, 2011 15:56:31 GMT -5 Politically_Incorrect12 said:

Jun 15, 2011 13:45:05 GMT -5 NoMoreLunacy said:

Incidentally, it is kind of sad that many Americans would rather support a foreign country slapping down their own President. Not a bunch of patriots here it seems. But then I am not surprised. Conservatives are rarely patriots.

yeah it's not like any liberals laughed when a shoe was thrown at President Bush.

Liberals don't BS about patriotism either.

[ameiko]

Jun 15, 2011 13:43:49 GMT -5 NoMoreLunacy said:

Israel will play ball. All Obama needs to do is let Israel know that they either play ball or USA will whisper in the ears of the Arab nations that Israel is fair game - they can attack and the USA will do nothing.

So sad yet so true and not surprising. Obama loves to attack traditional US allies (Israel, Egypt) while refusing to stand up to dictators that want to kill us (Iran). Heck, he is even support radical Muslims to overthrow Quadafi (not that anyone likes him but the dude renounced terrorism, kept radical Muslims from taking over, and he kept the oil flowing; I'll keep that evil SOB than some wanna be Jihad waging, celiphate building, terrorist supporting Muslim radical.

Gotta love how you believe (again, correctly) that Obama believes that his fellow Muslims are worthy or protection but not Israelis.

[ameiko]

Jun 15, 2011 13:45:05 GMT -5 NoMoreLunacy said:

Incidentally, it is kind of sad that many Americans would rather support a foreign country slapping down their own President. Not a bunch of patriots here it seems. But then I am not surprised. Conservatives are rarely patriots.

And we have a new Lakhota!

Seriously, you support blind patriotism over rational thought? Obama is getting slapped down because he acted without thought (either that or he did think and he's doing it to support his fellow Muslims to destroy the Isreali state) and earned it.

You want blind support of the President? Well where were you when the left tore into President Bush?

Yeah, that's what I thought. Like it or not, the President of either party has always been a target of criticism and that isn't going to change. Some civility would be nice but I think that supporting the rationally correct person (Netenyahu) is fine. If Obama said the sky was pink with purple polka dots, would you support that?

Anyway, please don't make me laugh about conservatives and patriotism: liberals are the ones who tear down the nation and demand we follow the UN. Obama wants Americans to starve and freeze in the winter, bankrupt our coal industry, and has a wife who was ashamed of this nation until they nominated him for the Democratic candidacy for President. Obama went on the European apolgy tour and bowed to a Saudi king.

Etc, etc...

[NoMoreLunacy]

Conservatives repeatedly said that it is patriotic to just blindly follow the CiC in a time of war. Liberals never said that, and have no obligation to do so, other than reminding conservatives that they should fall in line and blindly follow the CiC, Republican or Democrat.

[privateinvestor]

Jun 17, 2011 8:26:21 GMT -5 NoMoreLunacy said:

Conservatives repeatedly said that it is patriotic to just blindly follow the CiC in a time of war. Liberals never said that, and have no obligation to do so, other than reminding conservatives that they should fall in line and blindly follow the CiC, Republican or Democrat.

Then why are so many conservatives in congress challenging the war in Libya??? John McCain took to the floor of the senate yesterday and gave a passionate and fiery speech that said in essence...."Get the Hell out of Libya".....Check it out..or deal with it..

[NoMoreLunacy]

Jun 17, 2011 8:30:09 GMT -5 @privateinvestor said:

Jun 17, 2011 8:26:21 GMT -5 NoMoreLunacy said:

Conservatives repeatedly said that it is patriotic to just blindly follow the CiC in a time of war. Liberals never said that, and have no obligation to do so, other than reminding conservatives that they should fall in line and blindly follow the CiC, Republican or Democrat.

Then why are so many conservatives in congress challenging the war in Libya??? John McCain took to the floor of the senate yesterday and gave a passionate and fiery speech that said in essence...."Get the Hell out of Libya".....Check it out..or deal with it..

Because it's not a Republican CiC. That's the point my friend.

[deziloooooo]

Jun 17, 2011 1:11:48 GMT -5 ameiko said:

Jun 15, 2011 13:45:05 GMT -5 NoMoreLunacy said:

Incidentally, it is kind of sad that many Americans would rather support a foreign country slapping down their own President. Not a bunch of patriots here it seems. But then I am not surprised. Conservatives are rarely patriots.

And we have a new Lakhota!

Seriously, you support blind patriotism over rational thought? Obama is getting slapped down because he acted without thought (either that or he did think and he's doing it to support his fellow Muslims to destroy the Isreali state) and earned it.

You want blind support of the President? Well where were you when the left tore into President Bush?

Yeah, that's what I thought. Like it or not, the President of either party has always been a target of criticism and that isn't going to change. Some civility would be nice but I think that supporting the rationally correct person (Netenyahu) is fine. If Obama said the sky was pink with purple polka dots, would you support that?

Anyway, please don't make me laugh about conservatives and patriotism: liberals are the ones who tear down the nation and demand we follow the UN. liberals are the ones who tear down the nation and demand we follow the UN, and has a wife who was ashamed of this nation until they nominated him for the Democratic candidacy for President. and has a wife who was ashamed of this nation .

Etc, etc...

Lets look at your post in detail.

To criticize a sitting PONTUS , in fact any elected official, fair game but not with just paint brush stupidity because they don't care for them, IMHO.

You post
"support his fellow Muslims to destroy the Israeli state"

That's BS and you know it. He is no more a Muslim then I am, won't speak for you have no clue what you are but definitely know what I am, I'm a Jew

Every President I know of have had differences with Israel..Obama is no difference. he feels the Status Quo is not working, putting us on the line to defend the Israeli's when we really [those who make the decisions] don't agree with their calls..but defend them we seem to have to do. UN is were I am thinking. So he tells them how he feels, wants them to stop footing around and start talking , try to get off this status Quo..Israel will make the final call..so how is that destroying Israel?

There are many in Israel, citizens of the country who disagree with Natanjahu, so why can't the President.

"Well where were you when the left tore into President Bush?"

who said you can't criticize a political..and Bush had some history of events and doings that were open for discussion and disagreement and what does that have to do with Obama.

Some from the left acted like idiots in their claims / criticisms against Bush on some of his calls, so you now feel it's ok to for some to act like a idiot and return the favor?
That to me is idiotic.

"If Obama said the sky was pink with purple polka dots, would you support that?" if it was yes, other wise..no..simple answer ok?

"liberals are the ones who tear down the nation and demand we follow the UN"

UN does some great things , I can fill up the pages..also as all political houses, they have problems too..192 members or how many there are all with some type of their own agenda on something, you expect the streets of heaven? Grow up..not going to happen.

However they do do some good things..and one is a sounding board, allowing major and minor members to sound off..better that then the alternative..we don't have enough shooting and wars as it is?..

How many peace keeping areas is the UN involved in, keeping parties who hatre each other guts away from each other? you think that's a minor thing? Who else could do that with out p off one side or another, but the UN, how can one be p off with the whole world. Ok, you could but come on now, the whole damn world..??

I wonder how many little smoldering have been put out there before they got to the flaming sages..over some canapes, with the help of some mediating behind the scenes, some quid pro quo that satisfied the honor of..it does happen..you and I just don't hear of it..

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"liberals are the ones who tear down the nation " How does one answer such BS?? I got it..

God Bless America... make your feel better?

How about ,[my favorite]

My eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the ----


That should calm you down a bit..

"and has a wife who was ashamed of this nation "..I have heard that said before..possible true, something we were responsible for..not sure but possible..but have to tell you, and no won't get into it..but I too once felt in some way once the same after a particular incident..followed me for year..it happens, there are things we as a country does..at times..you got to ask your self ..is this what it's about..so, I don't know her bitch..I won't tell you mine, but once , oh yeah...

From the above you may feel I'm a bad American, not patriotic in your eyes?..if you feel that way, your call..won't even tell you to deal with it but it can happen...those feelings if you wer in the wrong place, wrong time..even to those who love their country as much , well as much as I do and know how blessed I am to be a citizen here as are my kids and grandkids..but at the right time , right place..oh yeah.