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Post by henryclay on Jun 15, 2011 12:53:10 GMT -5
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 15, 2011 13:02:20 GMT -5
Obama Gives Netanyahu Ultimatum on Resuming Talks
Henry want to bet that Netanyahu tells Obama to shove his Ultimatum and ignores him...You can easily read Netanyahu's body language when he is next to Obama & he obviously can't Obama
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 15, 2011 13:27:24 GMT -5
Obama is a small, angry, petty little man- that's why he didn this. Netanyahu is a serious man who probably doesn't spend a lot of time worrying about what our naive little man-child President thinks of him, or Israel. That is why he went around him directly to our Congress, and our people.
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 15, 2011 13:43:49 GMT -5
Israel will play ball. All Obama needs to do is let Israel know that they either play ball or USA will whisper in the ears of the Arab nations that Israel is fair game - they can attack and the USA will do nothing.
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 15, 2011 13:45:05 GMT -5
Incidentally, it is kind of sad that many Americans would rather support a foreign country slapping down their own President. Not a bunch of patriots here it seems. But then I am not surprised. Conservatives are rarely patriots.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 15, 2011 13:49:08 GMT -5
Conservatives are rarely patriots
Oh I don't know about that we have had conservatives who have done some patriotic deeds..i.e. John McCain, Rudi Guiliani, to name just two in case you never heard of them
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Post by ed1066 on Jun 15, 2011 13:53:51 GMT -5
Incidentally, it is kind of sad that many Americans would rather support a foreign country slapping down their own President. Not a bunch of patriots here it seems. But then I am not surprised. Conservatives are rarely patriots. As you like to point out, the USA is not the only country in the world, and sometimes one of those other countries is right and we (or the Democrats, at least) are wrong. Surely you can understand that?
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 15, 2011 13:55:15 GMT -5
Conservatives are rarely patriotsOh I don't know about that we have had conservatives who have done some patriotic deeds..i.e. John McCain, Rudi Guiliani, to name just two in case you never heard of them I said rarely. Not never.
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Jun 15, 2011 13:55:34 GMT -5
These days the loud, strong and wrong who dominate the conversation with their Pubspin seem to have NO idea what's going on anymore. It's now one big Fox soap opera. BREAKING NEWS: Nothing happened....
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Post by henryclay on Jun 15, 2011 13:55:35 GMT -5
But then I am not surprised. Conservatives are rarely patriots. But I thought you were in favor of democracy. Isn't a democracy supposed to be where the will of the people rule? And hasn't the people of the United States sent a message to Obama that his approach to Netanyahu is wrong? If that is true what does it make Obama but an autocrat (which is a nice word for dictator) in need of being replaced?
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 15, 2011 14:00:36 GMT -5
I said rarely. Not never.[/quote][/color]
Then why say it at all??? Since your comment is ambiguous and misleading...
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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 15, 2011 14:03:08 GMT -5
Remember the trouncing Obama took from Netanyahu? It's for sure Obama hasn't forgotten. But not a single main stream media has anything on it. If they do will someone please point it out? Obama picked Sunday to tell Netanyahu, (why he picked Sunday is anybody's guess but there are 6 other days in the week and 5 of them are regular work days. Sunday is not a regular work day either, so why wasn't Obama out on a golf course instead of drawing a line in the sand and daring Netanyahu to ignore it?). townhall.com/news/world/2011/06/13/obama_gives_netanyahu_ultimatum_on_resuming_talksActually Sunday is our sabbath..in Israel it is the first day of the week...now on Saturday, if he told him...different day.[Even here, not sure how observant Natanahju is..possible might even like ribs and a BLT at times , Naturally when no one is looking, have to keep up appearances me thinks if he did have such a craving at timesv Actually I think people in these positions, they are on duty 24/7 me thinks.
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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 15, 2011 14:04:50 GMT -5
Obama Gives Netanyahu Ultimatum on Resuming TalksHenry want to bet that Netanyahu tells Obama to shove his Ultimatum and ignores him...You can easily read Netanyahu's body language when he is next to Obama & he obviously can't Obama mmmm , not sure about that, just posted a thread, talks are back on, ..sorry about that, hate to disapoint you all.
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Post by rovo on Jun 15, 2011 14:07:31 GMT -5
If a row like this has the power to turn the American Jewish vote away from Obama, then he will surely be toast in the next election.
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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 15, 2011 14:07:51 GMT -5
Israel will play ball. All Obama needs to do is let Israel know that they either play ball or USA will whisper in the ears of the Arab nations that Israel is fair game - they can attack and the USA will do nothing. oh come on already, and I thought you were going to change and post sense instead of nonsense. Looks like I am going to be p off both sides here. [Mom warned me about that but just can't help myself, you bad dezi, you so bad, nasty man you. ]
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 15, 2011 14:10:45 GMT -5
Remember the trouncing Obama took from Netanyahu? It's for sure Obama hasn't forgotten. But not a single main stream media has anything on it. If they do will someone please point it out? Obama picked Sunday to tell Netanyahu, (why he picked Sunday is anybody's guess but there are 6 other days in the week and 5 of them are regular work days. Sunday is not a regular work day either, so why wasn't Obama out on a golf course instead of drawing a line in the sand and daring Netanyahu to ignore it?). townhall.com/news/world/2011/06/13/obama_gives_netanyahu_ultimatum_on_resuming_talksActually Sunday is our sabbath..in Israel it is the first day of the week...now on Saturday, if he told him...different day.[Even here, not sure how observant Natanahju is..possible might even like ribs and a BLT at times , Naturally when no one is looking, have to keep up appearances me thinks if he did have such a craving at timesv Actually I think people in these positions, they are on duty 24/7 me thinks. Fair point. Still, WHAT was said is more important than WHEN he said it. I still maintain that Obama has very little respect, or sway with Netanyahu. I think BiBi pretty well knows Obama is just a bump in the road in our long term alliance with Israel- he knows change is coming soon.
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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 15, 2011 14:12:30 GMT -5
These days the loud, strong and wrong who dominate the conversation with their Pubspin seem to have NO idea what's going on anymore. It's now one big Fox soap opera. BREAKING NEWS: Nothing happened.... Actually not true..Talks between the two parties with Obama taking part..that is news , big news to me. Hell, he's giving it a shot..and if anyone thinks that IF they could come to a agreement that wouldn't be a good thing then C or C or not , they have to be and IMHO. ;D
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Post by henryclay on Jun 15, 2011 14:13:40 GMT -5
Here's a thought from the comments section of one link. By golly, I think it just about nails a lot of the whiole world's problems: Benjamin Netanyahu should tell Obama to shut the hell up. . . . . .
What a fool Obama is!!
He is too stupid to realize that his treatment of Israel is the causative factor in all the catastrophes that have hit the USA this year. What an absolute fool!!
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Post by ed1066 on Jun 15, 2011 14:15:40 GMT -5
Here's a thought from the comments section of one link. By golly, I think it just about nails a lot of the whiole world's problems: Benjamin Netanyahu should tell Obama to shut the hell up. . . . . .
What a fool Obama is!!
He is too stupid to realize that his treatment of Israel is the causative factor in all the catastrophes that have hit the USA this year. What an absolute fool!! That comment was signed "Joe Biden"...LOL!
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 15, 2011 14:17:37 GMT -5
If a row like this has the power to turn the American Jewish vote away from Obama, then he will surely be toast in the next election. You would be surprised. There is a huge section of progressive Jews at least in the North East who think blind support of Israel as it commits genocide is totally wrong. The support for Israel is driven by Evangelicals in the red states and Obama is never going to get their votes anyway.
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 15, 2011 14:18:29 GMT -5
I said rarely. Not never. [/color] Then why say it at all??? Since your comment is ambiguous and misleading...[/quote] They were not ambiguous at all. Rarely has a specific meaning in English.
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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 15, 2011 14:19:37 GMT -5
If a row like this has the power to turn the American Jewish vote away from Obama, then he will surely be toast in the next election. Rovo...I suggest that for many of them, they see Obama realizes how important a understanding and hopefully a solutuion is here..for Israels sake as well as the worlds and ours..and the Palastinians , so to see him involved , interested, realizing the status quo is not the answer.. For some, yes they/some/a few may turn away..I predict the dems will still get excellent #'s in support of thim in 2012..and that includes Obama too. I would put $ on that one.. Rovo, what are you doing over here, slumming?..I thought EE or where ever was your life. Actually nice to see you participating and wading in, don't be a stranger.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 15, 2011 14:20:18 GMT -5
Last preparations before restart of Israel-Palestinian talks DEBKAfile Exclusive Report June 15, 2011, 2:13 PM (GMT+02:00) Tags: Israel-Palestinian talks Barack Obama Binyamin Netanyahu Mahmoud Abbas 1967 lines A second triple try for talksThe final touches on US President Barack Obama's push to revive Israel-Palestinian negotiations, stalled for nearly two years, are being put in place by his Middle East advisers David Hale and Dennis Ross and the legal adviser to the National Security Council Jonathan Schwartz who arrived in Israel Tuesday, June 14. After talks in Jerusalem, the group moved to Ramallah to meet Palestinian Authority chairman Mahmoud Abbas and continue working on arrangements for a non-ceremonial, modest triple summit in Washington to kick off the negotiations.
According to debkafile's Washington sources, both Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu and Mahmoud Abbas have quietly committed to sit down and talk without prior conditions: The Prime Minister has dropped his demand for Abbas to first recognize Israel as the Jewish national state, while the Palestinian leader has abandoned the prior conditions for Israel to accept the 1967 lines as the starting point of the talks and halt settlement construction.
Obama for his part stands by his insistence on the 1967 borders as the basis for negotiations. He has also obtained Abbas' pledge to give face-to-face diplomacy one more chance before addressing a unilateral application to the UN for recognition of Palestinian statehood.
With these obstacles out of the way, Israeli-Palestinian talks are expected to restart within the next six weeks and if they go smoothly to keep going until August. The plan is for the three leaders to retire to behind closed doors after their initial joint photo op and launch their first round of talks. The exact location is one of the loose ends to be tied up this week. Complete secrecy will be observed. US officials and other authorized spokesmen will issue bulletins when deemed appropriate. It has also been agreed that if the talks run into an impasse on any issue, the parties will move on to an easier item. This mechanism has been introduced to avoid the breakdown of the last round of talks as soon as they began and keep them afloat well into the US presidential election year of 2012.
Obama is keen to get the Israeli and Palestinian leaders round the peace table in time for his reelection campaign - a diplomatic feat that has eluded him for two years. His administration is also keen to deter the Palestinian leader from going ahead with his quest for UN recognition of a state within the 1967 lines.
debkafile's diplomatic sources report that Washington and Jerusalem have succeeded in quiet diplomatic efforts in recent weeks to bite deep into the automatic UN majority the Palestinians are building on.
The tally includes key governments in the Far East, Europe and Africa – some of them members of the Palestinian Donors' Committee – which have pledged to oppose the Palestinian initiative or abstain.
Among them are Germany, Italy, France, Poland, the Czech Republic, Hungary, Romania and Bulgaria. British Prime Minister David Cameron, who has not yet come around, is expected to join the opposing votes when the time comes. Pledges have also come in from Canada, Japan, Austria and New Zealand.
More than half of African UN member-states have informed Washington or Paris they will cast their vote against the Palestinian draft.
According to debkafile's Moscow sources, the Russians while declaring themselves in favor have advised Abbas to beware of following a blind alley. Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov recently counseled Fatah representatives visiting the Russian capital to think carefully about the morning after the passage of the Palestinian statehood resolution. Based on what we know, nothing will happen, said Lavrov. The resolution will never be implemented. Abbas needs the boost to his prestige and leverage that opening talks with Israel will offer him to drive off a serious challenge to his leadership launched within his own Fatah movement by a member of the PLO council Mohammed Dahlan. The challenger hopes to bring Abbas down by a smear campaign. He claims he has proof that the Palestinian leader is guilty of the biggest national robbery in modern Arab history, namely the appropriation and transfer to his private accounts of the $1.4 billion left by Yasser Arafat after his death in 2004.
To promote his campaign to unseat Abbas, which has found some backing in the Fatah leadership in Ramallah, Dahlan has hired public relations consultants. This week, Abbas failed to rally enough support for his demand to expel Dahlan from Fatah leadership bodies.
Fatah-Gaza is solidly behind him, adding to Abbas' difficulties in his dealings with the rival Hamas since they signed a unity pact in April. The beleaguered Palestinian leader hopes therefore that the revival of US-sponsored negotiations with Israel will occupy the minds of his party associates and distract their attention from the charges hurled by his opponent.
The Israeli prime minister also has good reason to welcome the restart of talks under the US aegis.
For months, his many political, economic and media critics have portrayed him as diplomatically inert and therefore responsible for the cutoff of peace talks with the Palestinians which, they say, has led to Israel being internationally isolated in the face of a major Palestinian UN initiative. Netanyahu's denial of these charges has had little resonance. However the resumption of talks – especially if Abbas is sidetracked from his UN initiative – will enable him to silence his critics by a successful diplomatic breakthrough.
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 15, 2011 14:20:26 GMT -5
But then I am not surprised. Conservatives are rarely patriots. But I thought you were in favor of democracy. Isn't a democracy supposed to be where the will of the people rule? And hasn't the people of the United States sent a message to Obama that his approach to Netanyahu is wrong? If that is true what does it make Obama but an autocrat (which is a nice word for dictator) in need of being replaced? The people of the United States has sent a message to Obama? How did they send this message? They voted Obama into power and Obama's stance on the Middle East issues were well known.
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Post by floridayankee on Jun 15, 2011 14:24:36 GMT -5
Incidentally, it is kind of sad that many Americans would rather support a foreign country slapping down their own President. Not a bunch of patriots here it seems. But then I am not surprised. Conservatives are rarely patriots. lmao. Considering most liberals were giddy as a school girl every time Chavez trashed Bush, I'd guess your side lacks patriots as well.
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Post by henryclay on Jun 15, 2011 14:27:42 GMT -5
Obama's stance on the Middle East issues were well known. Got any links that will back that up? Not that the session in the joinrt session of congress seems to mean anything when Netanyahu got 17 standing ovations within 30 minutes from "the people" of the Un ited States.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 15, 2011 14:30:27 GMT -5
This is not a done deal yet if you read between the lines with Hamas, Abbas and Netanyahu are all still having issues within their respective governments... Does Hamas get a vote or a chance to play a role in these talks scheduled with the next six weeks? Not if Netanyahu has anything to say about that issue ref to reply # 22
You have the risk that Hamas could torpedo this whole discussion before it starts in August if then??
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 15, 2011 14:32:01 GMT -5
Obama's stance on the Middle East issues were well known. Got any links that will back that up? Hey Henry FYI....Here's a summary of Obama's inputs for these so called peace talks.. Obama is keen to get the Israeli and Palestinian leaders round the peace table in time for his reelection campaign - a diplomatic feat that has eluded him for two years. His administration is also keen to deter the Palestinian leader from going ahead with his quest for UN recognition of a state within the 1967 lines.[/b][/i][/u] And this issue is still hanging out there like a sore thumb: To promote his campaign to unseat Abbas, which has found some backing in the Fatah leadership in Ramallah, Dahlan has hired public relations consultants. This week, Abbas failed to rally enough support for his demand to expel Dahlan from Fatah leadership bodies.
Fatah-Gaza is solidly behind him, adding to Abbas' difficulties in his dealings with the rival Hamas since they signed a unity pact in April. The beleaguered Palestinian leader hopes therefore that the revival of US-sponsored negotiations with Israel will occupy the minds of his party associates and distract their attention from the charges hurled by his opponent.
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Post by henryclay on Jun 15, 2011 14:56:43 GMT -5
The Palestinians have wanted their own "state" since 1948. They have never been accepted by anyone, not even their fellow Arabs. They have taught two generations of Palestinians to hate the "west" and everything it stands for, the foremost being Israel. And here is a couple minutes of them saying so in their own words. Notice that they also intend to take on the Catholics and make the Vatican in Rome one of their future centers of Islamic Rule. Is it likely that all of a sudden they will change their aims? In the words of that icon of the big screen, , , , ,"not likely": www.memritv.org/video.html
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Post by ed1066 on Jun 15, 2011 15:09:41 GMT -5
The liberals seem to think so. They seem to think if the Israelis would just lie down and let Hamas slaughter them all, then the Palestinians will be happy, the liberals will be happy, and everyone wins!
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