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Post by henryclay on Jun 13, 2011 21:53:13 GMT -5
The opening post was a good one. We need more snippets of history in order that it IS remembered. Buy we also need better snippets of current events. For several years someone has had the media feeding us absolute garbage. Israel is condemned for its treatment of the refugees in Gaza and the West Bank. But Gaza is the only place on earth where refugees drive Mercedes automobiles, where untold amounts of aid pour in, where that aid is used to buy guns, and life expectancy is greater than in the country that provides the aid.I have not looked at conditions in the West Bank, but why would they be any different? Last year, this website revealed to a Western audience pictures of the bustling, crowded food markets of Gaza that the Western media refuse to show you. Earlier this year, I reported the new Olympic-size swimming pool of Gaza (no shortage of building materials or water here) and the luxury restaurants, where you can “dine on steak au poivre and chicken cordon bleu”. (Over 300,000 people have viewed photos on that webpage since May, according to my website monitor.)
Now I want to draw attention to the fact that this morning, on the day that the EU again criticized Israel (but not Egypt) for supposedly oppressing Gazans, on a day when the BBC TV world news headlines again lead with a report about how “devastated the economy in Gaza is,” an impressive new shopping mall opened in Gaza (photos below, followed by a selection of other photos from Gaza).
Will those Western journalists who write stories about “starvation” in Gaza and compare it to a “concentration camp” report this?
Instead of reporting on the mall opening, the British-based international satellite broadcaster Sky News reported today “The humanitarian situation in Gaza remains dire.” www.spectator.co.uk/melaniephillips/6151489/the-only-place-where-refugees-drive-mercedes.thtml
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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 14, 2011 0:43:28 GMT -5
mind explaining what your post has to do with "Teacher brings holocaust alive to students". The thread is about a Connecticut teacher, his teaching a course[class]on different holocausts that have occurred and taking a class of 18 to Europe where the European one took place..the reactions of the students and so on..yet your into a happening of things happening in Gaza, the living conditions of Refugeses..wheres the connection?
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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 14, 2011 1:04:52 GMT -5
The opening post was a good one. We need more snippets of history in order that it IS remembered. Buy we also need better snippets of current events. For several years someone has had the media feeding us absolute garbage. Israel is condemned for its treatment of the refugees in Gaza and the West Bank. But Gaza is the only place on earth where refugees drive Mercedes automobiles, where untold amounts of aid pour in, where that aid is used to buy guns, and life expectancy is greater than in the country that provides the aid.I have not looked at conditions in the West Bank, but why would they be any different? Last year, this website revealed to a Western audience pictures of the bustling, crowded food markets of Gaza that the Western media refuse to show you. Earlier this year, I reported the new Olympic-size swimming pool of Gaza (no shortage of building materials or water here) and the luxury restaurants, where you can “dine on steak au poivre and chicken cordon bleu”. (Over 300,000 people have viewed photos on that webpage since May, according to my website monitor.)
Now I want to draw attention to the fact that this morning, on the day that the EU again criticized Israel (but not Egypt) for supposedly oppressing Gazans, on a day when the BBC TV world news headlines again lead with a report about how “devastated the economy in Gaza is,” an impressive new shopping mall opened in Gaza (photos below, followed by a selection of other photos from Gaza).
Will those Western journalists who write stories about “starvation” in Gaza and compare it to a “concentration camp” report this?
Instead of reporting on the mall opening, the British-based international satellite broadcaster Sky News reported today “The humanitarian situation in Gaza remains dire.” www.spectator.co.uk/melaniephillips/6151489/the-only-place-where-refugees-drive-mercedes.thtml--------------------------------------------------- While I know of no reason for your post above regarding the thread op, as long as you posted it then there is another side of the story, " The UN Relief Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East, UNRWA, says in a new report that broad unemployment in Gaza in the second half of 2010 reached an unprecedented 45.2 per cent, one of the highest rates in the world. It has been exactly four years since Hamas took over the Gaza Strip, prompting Israel to impose even tougher restrictions. With the economic blockade entering its fifth year, many young Gazans are resigned to taking whatever work they can get. According to a UN report, it has created a drastic situation where half of all adults in the Gaza Strip are unemployed. A brave few are betting on Gaza's borders opening but if the political stalemate goes on, those hopes could soon be swept away. Al Jazeera's Nadim Baba reports. ---------------------------------------------------------- Why not put up a separate thread dealing with Gaza, the West Bank...there are plenty of story's and articles out there..you have a unemployment rate with young people..old people, that is not exactly a comfortable situation, I am sure you would agree Henry, for any people, not healthy. Is some one driving a Mercedes in Gaza, eating what ever, swimming in a swimming pool? I am sure there is, even a shopping mall somewhere..yet still see no reason and how your post connects to the threads header and the op.. It seems to me you didn't like my response to your question as some one pointed out..so your response was to post the above on Gaza as a 'Oh Yeah, well how about this.."..I don't do "Oh yeahs " Henry..I'll leave those to you.
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Post by ed1066 on Jun 14, 2011 12:49:30 GMT -5
Dezi, your tactic of attacking the messenger when you don't like the message is getting old...
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Post by henryclay on Jun 14, 2011 13:03:14 GMT -5
I was intending to put this somewhere else, but after reading desi's attack I think it belongs here after all. It is another example of how so much of everything that happens over there is Israel's fault and why people can't bring themselves to support her. "I do not believe that in the foreseeable future there is a possibility of an agreement with the Palestinians on all the issues, especially on the problematic core issues," says Udi Dekel, who headed the negotiations task force in the previous government. . . . Dekel spoke on Thursday at a conference on the unofficial "Geneva Initiative" peace plan. Other participants included many members of the diplomatic corps.
According to Dekel the Palestinians refused to show any flexibility in their positions during the talks, preferring to remain stalemated rather than lower their aspirations.
"The Palestinian approach was in principle the demand of 100 percent of their rights from 1967. The practical aspect interested them less. They are not willing to discuss any further compromise," he said. "We tried to build scenarios, some of them were imaginary, about specific compromises, but we found the Palestinians taking an approach of 'all or nothing.'" www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/olmert-s-negotiator-full-mideast-peace-impossible-1.262013
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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 14, 2011 13:44:40 GMT -5
Dezi, your tactic of attacking the messenger when you don't like the message is getting old... Mind showing me who I am attacking and how, possible I am missing it.
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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 14, 2011 13:48:25 GMT -5
I was intending to put this somewhere else, but after reading desi's attack I think it belongs here after all. It is another example of how so much of everything that happens over there is Israel's fault and why people can't bring themselves to support her. "I do not believe that in the foreseeable future there is a possibility of an agreement with the Palestinians on all the issues, especially on the problematic core issues," says Udi Dekel, who headed the negotiations task force in the previous government. . . . Dekel spoke on Thursday at a conference on the unofficial "Geneva Initiative" peace plan. Other participants included many members of the diplomatic corps.
According to Dekel the Palestinians refused to show any flexibility in their positions during the talks, preferring to remain stalemated rather than lower their aspirations.
"The Palestinian approach was in principle the demand of 100 percent of their rights from 1967. The practical aspect interested them less. They are not willing to discuss any further compromise," he said. "We tried to build scenarios, some of them were imaginary, about specific compromises, but we found the Palestinians taking an approach of 'all or nothing.'" www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/olmert-s-negotiator-full-mideast-peace-impossible-1.262013If this is true then nothing will come of talks..but I will suggest the rhetoric before they sit down, both sides is just that, rhetoric, posturing,...both sides seem to do it, not just these folks, labor/management when they are ready to sit down and negotiate new contracts for a example.
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Post by henryclay on Jun 14, 2011 14:09:16 GMT -5
. . . . . . I will suggest the rhetoric before they sit down, both sides is just that, rhetoric, posturing,...both sides seem to do it, not just these folks, labor/management when they are ready to sit down and negotiate new contracts for a example. Do you mean labor and management in Gaza? Seems when someone tries to make it possible for there to be any labor to negotiate in Gaza, somebody else gets there first and tears it all down. So it shouldn't be a great surprise that the unemployment rate is high. (Thanks, Marsha) www.israeltoday.co.il/default.aspx?tabid=178&nid=21902
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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 14, 2011 14:41:16 GMT -5
. . . . . . I will suggest the rhetoric before they sit down, both sides is just that, rhetoric, posturing,...both sides seem to do it, not just these folks, labor/management when they are ready to sit down and negotiate new contracts for a example. Do you mean labor and management in Gaza? Seems when someone tries to make it possible for there to be any labor to negotiate in Gaza, somebody else gets there first and tears it all down. So it shouldn't be a great surprise that the unemployment rate is high. (Thanks, Marsha) www.israeltoday.co.il/default.aspx?tabid=178&nid=21902You know I am not referring to labor/management in Gaza..just trolling you are...so we'll leave it, or I will..still don't understand you bringing the ppsts up regarding Gaza up here, this thread.." Teacher brings holocaust alive to students" and if that is what ed is accusing me of..."attacks, you too I see, ' your both , a response is a "attack" ?? hoo boy...Troll away me bucko, as I said, not playing.
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Post by henryclay on Jun 14, 2011 15:22:31 GMT -5
desi, why do you revert to accusations of trolling when someone asks for a frame of reference in your posts? I thought the subject of the thread was on the treatment of Jews at the hands of the Nazis and their plight over the years since. When anyone mentions there are others in the game that effects the Jews, (For instance the Jews' neighbors: Gaza and the West Bank), you seem to go elsewhere with your posts, but complain when anyone tries to bring you back.
Why is that? It's your thread after all. Can't you stay with the theme of your own thread?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2011 15:27:04 GMT -5
Dez, isn't it in the UK where they no longer have the holocaust in their schools' curriculum. I seem to remember reading something about that a while back. Sad if it's true. (Didn't read this whole thread, just post #1)
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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 14, 2011 15:35:09 GMT -5
desi, why do you revert to accusations of trolling when someone asks for a frame of reference in your posts? I thought the subject of the thread was on the treatment of Jews at the hands of the Nazis and their plight over the years since. When anyone mentions there are others in the game that effects the Jews, (For instance the Jews' neighbors: Gaza and the West Bank), you seem to go elsewhere with your posts, but complain when anyone tries to bring you back. Why is that? It's your thread after all. Can't you stay with the theme of your own thread? The theme of the thread hasn't changed just your and a few who are bringing up things that have northing to do with the title or the op... Simple really, a Connecticut teacher who teaches a course on Holocausts, not just the one in Europe, though granted that is a biggie, and probably the lead in one of the course, I am surmising here, I could be wrong, and who led a group of students, 18 of them, and others who acted as monitors for them I am sure, to Europe to visit were these things happened..that was the title of the thread, that was the op piece. Trolling to change the topic, to disrupt for the sake of disruption, that is the definition of those who do such things in the vernacular of chat rooms, INTERNET communications and zones such as this, and that is what you are doing therefore the term , "Troll" fits, IMHO. That I won't play your game, that's my right too. Have fun. " Troll (Internet)From Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaJump to: navigation, search "Do not feed the trolls" and its abbreviation "DNFTT" redirect here. For the Wikimedia essay, see "What is a troll?". The "trollface" sometimes used to indicate trolling.[1]In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory[citation needed], extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[2] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion"
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Post by henryclay on Jun 14, 2011 18:02:25 GMT -5
Thank you desi, for the opening post. I can't influence the Israelis in anything they deem necessary to preserve their existence. And since their neighbors have made it abundantly clear what is in store if they fail in any way to maintain their security I support them in whatever they do to that end.
It's like this: If I, and a few others, are on a piece of ground that is legally ours, and everybody around us wants us off of it, I don't think I need anybody who is on "my side" telling me what I should, or should not do, to keep it. Or to second guess my methods for dealiung with anyone who wants to test my determinatin. Not isf they are truly on my side.
On the other hand, we would probably appreciate it if those people would exert as much effort in trying to get our antagonizers to realize we intend to keep what's ours, and that we will use whatever means we have at our disposal to ensure it stays ours.
The way you seem to want your thread to go is that we should recognize the treatment of the Jews has been heinous in the past, culminating with the treatment they received in WWII.
I have not read anyone dispute any of that. What happened to the Jews in WWII is part and parcel behind the birth of the State of Israel. Would you have the thread be so narrow as to limit comments, with everybody saying words to the effect that, "the teacher did good, but the history of the Jews ends there?"
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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 14, 2011 18:18:31 GMT -5
The purpose of this thread is exactly as it is portrayed.."Teacher brings holocaust alive to students"..and the opening op just as it says. Nothing about Israel, Gaza..who's land or what rights of..nothing that you are talking about..just what I posted..and it wasn't even about JUST the Holocaust against the Jews and the other millions who also died in those camps..Gypsies, Gays, Priests, members of the resistence, just plain innocent folks that ran against what the authorities felt was something wrong... Yet you keep bringing up topics that have nothing to do with the header or the op...meaning your attempting to just
"posts inflammatory[citation needed], extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion "
Your a troll, thast no one is calling you for it and asking you to stop the Trolling..that is up to those who overseer this zone...
I am just not playing with you so what ever you post, that has nothing to do with the op, the header, is just a continuation of your trolling actions..which is not unexpected, it is what trolls do and your doing a very good job of it.
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Post by henryclay on Jun 14, 2011 23:13:37 GMT -5
Again, thank you for the thread. I hope the teacher pointed out to the students that before the Nazis began the genocidal programs of exterminating Jews they had already begun doing away with several other groups, specifically gypsies, Jehovah’s witnesses, homosexuals and the disabled, (both physically and mentally), as well as religious and political dissidents. It didn’t matter if they were young or old, or loyal German citizens. It didn’t matter if they were the working poor or successfully wealthy. If they fell into the right, (wrong), category they were simply killed. This began in 1935 with the establishment of the first concentration and “work-until-you-are-dead” construction camps. The emphasis shifted to mass extermination, with particular attention to Jews at a conference in the Wannssee area of Berlin that was convened just for that purpose in 1942. The other groups, except for the able-bodied, were already dead. The able-bodied were used as slave labor right up to the end of the war. I should add that there is a documentary video available on the holocaust that was made over an eleven year period. I have a copy. Mine is on five tapes that came out before CD's and is 9 and a half hours long. The Jews call it "Shoah": their word for Holocaust.. The video goes back to the death camps, interviews survivors and local citizens who lived through those times. One is a Pole who ended up with the home of a deported Jewish family. He said the women were all very pretty and well mannered. He laughed at how well the house was built and how little it cost him. Although some admitted it was sad to see them beaten, robbed and starved, and how they would beg for water through the barb wire on the cattle car windows, and how the punishment for doing anything to help them could get you put on the trains with them, none of the locals showed any great feeling of loss that they were taken away. To them it seemed lots of people were taken away, so why would the Jews be spared. The source of the video is linked here: www.imdb.com/video/screenplay/vi1655478297/I would like to think you appreciate this as a compliment to your thread, but with the reaction you have displayed so far I can only guess. It is a shame really, that you seem incapable of communicating without resorting to vulgarisms and fits of obvious dislike for others. And yet, I sense that perhaps you have not yet shown your full bag of offensive phrases, so while the board is open, I invite you to just let it all hang out and get it out of your system once and for all. Tell us how you "really" feel. The following is believed to be the last known fate of the attendees at the Wannsee conference: Reinhard Heydrich died in Prague on 4 June 1942 as a result of injuries sustained during a May 27 attack by Czech and Slovak resistance fighters parachuted in from England.
Roland Freisler was killed in a USAAF air-raid in Berlin in February 1945.
Rudolf Lange was said to have been killed in action in Poland in February 1945 but his exact fate remains unclear.
Alfred Meyer killed himself in April 1945.
Heinrich Müller was last seen in Berlin on 29 April 1945. His fate is unknown, but he probably died in Berlin in the next few days.
Martin Luther finished the war in a German concentration camp after falling out with Foreign Minister Joachim von Ribbentrop in 1943. After being freed by the Soviets, Luther died in Berlin in May 1945.
Karl Eberhard Schöngarth was executed for war crimes (killing British prisoners of war) in May 1946.
Friedrich Wilhelm Kritzinger was acquitted of war crimes and died in October 1947.
Josef Bühler was tried in Poland for war crimes and executed in Kraków in July 1948.
Erich Neumann was briefly imprisoned and died in mid-1948.
Wilhelm Stuckart was imprisoned for four years before being released for lack of evidence in 1949. He was killed in a car accident in November, 1953.
Adolf Eichmann managed to escape to Argentina where he lived under a false identity. In 1960 he was kidnapped by Israeli agents, imprisoned in Israel, sentenced to death after a trial, and finally executed in May 1962.
Georg Leibbrandt was charged with war crimes but the case against him was dismissed in 1950. He died in June 1982.
Otto Hofmann was sentenced to 25 years in prison for war crimes, but was pardoned in 1954. He died in December 1982.
Gerhard Klopfer was charged with war crimes but was released for lack of evidence. He became a tax advisor, later dying in January 1987.
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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 19, 2011 21:51:24 GMT -5
To go with the original op on this thread , I just came across a article on a new site I found , that epitomizes the people who the teacher was describing in his course on the Holocaust. I am sure many of the people from this part of the Ukraine , there were about a million Jews here before the war, ended up , possible from the village itself that the article deals with, though most likely they, majority or all, met their end locally at the hands of the flying death units of the Nazis who followed the vehrmach and at the hands of the ancestors of the local folks who populate the area now, they were very active in helping the Nazis death units do their work. However , the death of Jews in this area and how they disappeared is one of the reason that the State of Israel is here and why it is so important , IMHO, that the state continue as a Jewish State, not a pluralistic society, so the chance of this happening again, a dearth of a people who had lived here for hundreds of years, long over the age of our Country, but now no longer here in any #'s to speak of, will never happen again. I believe history is important and the history on this subject is definitely one to remember, the happening here was not isolated. It had been going on here and else where where ever these people gathered to make their homes. As good as some of those times were, underlying those good times was always , when will the good times end and the happening happen again and the happenings always , always happened again. For myself I learned a bit, in that I can remember as a kid my parents and friends and relatives talking about their glicks and Litvacks forebearers..accusing one branch of coming from one side and the other side being a bit better, in jest, to them that had passed as being of any consequence , now it was as a josh, and I never really understood what the hell they were talking about , but now I get the idea. I think I came from the Litvack side, though possible my Dad's side might have some of the Glits in him. It is a long article, but for those who might have a interest, I did, read the whole thing, it's here for you to enjoy] ---------------------------------------------------- Did a wicki for any who are really confused but interested on my comments on the Glicks..other is the Litvacks
"GALITZIANA
The word is Galitzianer, and it refers to a Jew from the south-eastern region of the Eastern-European Yiddish speaking world. It implies that a person speaks Yiddish with a certain dialect, and there are cultural differences as well. The "opposite" is a Litvak, a Jew from the north-eastern areas such as Lithuania.
The name originated as the Yiddish term referring to someone from Galicia, part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire in modern-day Poland and Ukraine. As opposed to the Litvaks of Belarus, north-eastern Poland and Lithuania, Galitsyaners spoke a separate dialect of Yiddish. Eventually, the term referred to anyone who spoke a similar dialect, broadening the term to mean, basically, "anyone who isn't a Litvak". -------------------------------------------------------------- www.jpost.com/JerusalemReport/JewishWorld/Article.aspx?id=208024 -------------------------------------------------------------- [Click on link to read article] -------------------------------------------------------------- Living with the Holocaust
Remembering Galicia
02/16/2011 15:50 By EETTA PRINCE-GIBSON
The Ludmer Fund aims to highlight the history of the Jews of Galicia and Bukovina, who after living there for hundreds of years, perished at the hands of the Nazis and the Ukrainians. Photo by: COURTESY DENA WIMPFHEIMER ICE COLD AIR RATTLES THE corrugated tin roof and bursts through the gaping windows.
Through the vacant entrance, its wide doors long gone, replaced by tall trees and thick weeds, the engraved inscription over the lintel is barely legible: “This is the gate of the Lord through which the righteous may enter” (Psalms: 118:18).
This imposing synagogue in Podhajce, Ukraine, with its distinctive tall buttresses, dates back to the 17th century. Until the Holocaust, it commanded its surroundings.
Now it is in ruins. The original ceiling collapsed years ago, and inside, the cavernous structure is dank and dark. The plaster has rotted, leaving only spots of the colorful floral ornamentation that once decorated the niche where the holy Torah scrolls were kept.
Across the dirt road is the Jewish cemetery, its gravestones, the earliest dating to 1420, leaning lopsidedly, many destroyed. The tombstones crowd around each other, but there are large gaps, where the stones were taken away by the locals to use for paving roads; even the stairs that lead to the cemetery are paved with these tombstones.
Podhajce (Pidhaistsi in Ukrainian) is a forgotten town in a forgotten region of a struggling country. But once it was a valuable trading town, the site of repeated conquests by Tartars, Cossacks, Nazis and Russians. And it was home to a flourishing Galician Jewish community, the birthplace of famous rabbis and scholars."
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Post by ed1066 on Jun 20, 2011 14:32:59 GMT -5
So keep in mind, those of you who support the Palestinian "cause", that the national charter of the Palestinian people calls for the death of all Jews worldwide (a holocaust if ever there was one) as well as the complete destruction of the State of Israel...
So when you libs are out there waving your little red, white and green Palestinian flags for "peace", that's what you are supporting...
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Post by txbo on Jun 20, 2011 15:12:33 GMT -5
So keep in mind, those of you who support the Palestinian "cause", that the national charter of the Palestinian people calls for the death of all Jews worldwide (a holocaust if ever there was one) as well as the complete destruction of the State of Israel... So when you libs are out there waving your little red, white and green Palestinian flags for "peace", that's what you are supporting... Don’t think so since Israel has the strongest standing military in the region and is a nuclear powerhouse.
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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 20, 2011 15:33:06 GMT -5
So keep in mind, those of you who support the Palestinian "cause", that the national charter of the Palestinian people calls for the death of all Jews worldwide (a holocaust if ever there was one) as well as the complete destruction of the State of Israel... So when you libs are out there waving your little red, white and green Palestinian flags for "peace", that's what you are supporting... Don’t think so since Israel has the strongest standing military in the region and is a nuclear powerhouse. I agree, they will take care of themselves very nicely, yet not to try and work out a agreement just makes no sense to me, and just because there is animosity directed at them, is also not a reason to try and work out a agreement..there is animosity on the other side too..by some just as virulent as that directed at them. When it's suggested that they try and negotiate does not mean they have to put away their club, protect them selves. They should and they do and the will, but if a lot of their intransitives are because of a feeling "we do it because we can"..and "we do it because we like to do in your face " scenarios , push their superior strength to make the point, then that is when some one else has to step in and ask for explanations..and if that is all the explanations they can come up with then they have to be told that will not do.. Now whether that is the case or not..I don't know, but personally, I do wonder about that, and those are the questions I would like answered.. Then there are those who feel they can do no wrong and it's all on the other guy...I wonder about that, don't say it isn't but I do wonder. As far as the argument that that is what they say, in their charter, charters can be changed, words removed, agreements signed , and also broken too, so the club, always handy, the strength kept up, but not to talk..makes no sense. IMHO of course. The article here on Galicia, just one small spec in the globe , experiences of over 2000 plus years, that also shows why Israel HAS to be a State for JEWS, NOT a pluralistic society, a Jewish State, where all are treated fairly but the Jewish character of the State is paramount and if those living there can't accept that, then they have the freedom to leave..real simple..IMHO.
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Post by ed1066 on Jun 20, 2011 15:55:55 GMT -5
Would you please point me to the part in the Israeli constitution that says all Muslims everywhere in the world need to be killed and all Muslim countries need to be destroyed? I couldn't find that part...
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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 20, 2011 16:26:09 GMT -5
ed your problem, well one of many of them , is you play the same record all the time. You don't ever read anyones posts , try to understand what they say, not just mine, any ones, you just yadda, yadda away. Honestly, except for your few fan club members, there you get support, or at least the verbal, the written, [ one can't see their facial expressions or notice the gaging as they type] because you are on one side of the political spectrum here, the "Obama sucks because .." and the other , all those who say anything about Israel that doesn't meet your standards is a anti Semite and a supporter of the other side, dasterdly Palastinians and of course all those who follow the Muslim faith on the Globe, and all liberals fit that bill in your mind too, anti semetic and Palastinian lovers and supporters, ..so to pay any attention to what you say, besides your compadres, I believe just doesn't happen..IMHO of course.
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Post by ed1066 on Jun 20, 2011 17:06:51 GMT -5
So then that's a no Dezi? You can't show me how the animosity on the Israeli government side is "just as virulent" as the genocidal terrorists who govern the PA?
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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 20, 2011 17:44:01 GMT -5
So then that's a no Dezi? You can't show me how the animosity on the Israeli government side is "just as virulent" as the genocidal terrorists who govern the PA? The PA, Fatah...the leadership there are trying to establish a State for their people, their President and PM are doing all they can to do that, have foresworn the violance of Arafat's PLO.. Do they love the Israeli's ? I doubt it nor do I think Natanjahu and his supporters feels much love back to them, though I am sure they talk civilly at times to each other, and they have cooperated with each other.. If you wearnt so blinded by your apparent hatred for all things Palestinian you would know that, in fact I beleive you do but it would hurt your agenda , in your mind to so admit that Then you may not know it. If you know anything about the area which I am realizing you haven't in my opinion a clue about, to caught up in your own paranoia to really learn the issues, the problems and where thy are really apart and where they are not that far apart. Then you have the other Political party Hamas, a different cat altogether, though they too are now in a position of hibernation in their actions against the State, as they try to work things out with Fatah over a merging of the two as a united front against the state in negotiating a agreement. However you probably do know all of this and there is no sense continuing this, you and I , as I said your constant playing the same record.., IMHO, only your compadres are supporting you, didn't say listening to you, but what ever you say they will agree with you on just because of the political slant your on. I just felt like telling you my feelings on your ideas above, no belief in really carrying on a honest dialog with you. Remember I am one of the those horrible Liberals who are all in favor of what ever the Palestinians want and against the State of Israel..remember? Sure you do, you bring it up enough times, all we Liberals we believe... ;D
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