Israeli Police Storm Temple Mount

[marshabar1]

Israeli police storm Temple Mount

Israeli security forces stormed Jerusalem's Temple Mount on Friday after Muslims there began hurling stones at Jews praying at the Western Wall below.

Non-lethal crowd control methods were used to disperse the dozens of Muslim rioters, and three young Arabs were arrested for taking a leading role in the violence.

No Jews were injured by the dozens of stones that were thrown down from the top of the Temple Mount.

Most weeks, Israel restricts access to Friday prayers atop the Temple Mount to Muslims over the age of 50 in order to avoid precisely this kind of violence. But, because the site had been quiet for many weeks, the police decided to lift the restriction last week. They likely won't make that mistake again any time soon.

In related news, a Muslim mob raided and razed a small Jewish community in the Jordan Valley following Friday prayers at a local mosque.

Apparently whipped into a frenzy by an anti-Jewish sermon (which are all too common in Palestinian mosques), an estimated 200 Palestinian Arabs arrived at the Gaon Hayarden outpost armed with clubs and metal chains.

The few Jewish youth who were at the outpost (one of many set up without government approval and in defiance of international pressure) resisted briefly before escaping with their lives.

The Muslim mob burned several tents and small structures, including one used for prayer and containing numerous Jewish holy books.

One of the Muslim leaders told Israel's Ynet news portal that the Jews of Judea and Samaria could expect more such raids in the future.

www.israeltoday.co.il/tabid/178/nid/22822/language/en-US/Default.aspx


I know. How dare they? What's a few rocks thrown by people excited and incited to violence against people praying to God at the temple wall that has stood since the 10th century as the location of Jewish prayer and worship?

Israel bad. Muslims good.

[deziloooooo]

Marsha , not posting this link to show your articles are not important showing the attacks by some Palestinians against peaceful Israeli's as not important, just that there is another side of the story , this is happening on both sides.

Settlers, when the Israeli government dismantles a illegal tent settlement many times look for a Palestinian community for pay back....

Possible this was a reaction of the latest incident, the Palestinians attack on the settlement , possible not..the back and forth of what is happening here.
I will also post another link, this one on the latest decision by the Israeli government to remove some other illegal settlements with in the next 60 days, which will probably be met by resistance of the inhabitants and after being removed, more actions against some Palestinian village some where in retaliation, even thought it would be the Israeli governments actions that remove the settlement, the dissatisfaction of those actions is usually directed at some Palestinian community.

The way it is here.

www.nytimes.com/2011/06/08/world/middleeast/08mideast.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss
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Arsonists Damage and Deface Mosque in West Bank VillageBy ISABEL KERSHNER
Published: June 7, 2011

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Arsonists damaged a mosque in a West Bank village early Tuesday and sprayed Hebrew messages on the walls, leading to suspicions that Jewish settler extremists were responsible.

(June 8, 2011) Israel’s prime minister and defense minister strongly condemned the act and accused the arsonists of trying to provoke a broader conflagration in the area. The Palestinian Authority government issued a statement accusing the Israeli authorities of turning a “blind eye” to such acts, giving settlers “impunity to continue their attacks.”
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This link is one that refers to a new order by the Israeli government to demolish three Israeli buildings , ok'd by the PM, that are another illegal settlement on the West Bank, and I will not be surprised as it plays out, some settlers will be looking around for more payback on some Palestinian villages in the area, same as the article above, and the same story repeats itself.

news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110612/wl_mideast_afp/israelpalestiniansconflictsettlerdemolish_20110612124006

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Same old,same old. Israel bad, people that hate Israel and the Jewish people good..

[deziloooooo]

Jun 12, 2011 10:57:12 GMT -5 @krickitt said:

Same old,same old. Israel bad, people that hate Israel and the Jewish people good..

Nope, just that both sides have no one that walks on water in their midst......

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Israel is an impossible subject. Another board I post on created one section exclusively limited to Israel subject. The board is pretty easy going, no huge moderation problems, but on this ONE topic of Israel, they created a whole set of posting rules that are so tough no one on either side really posts there. Interesting. At least we are allowed to talk here.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

There is no "Palestine", and there are no "Palestinians". They are ARABS. They have countries- mostly Jordan, but also Egypt, Syria, Saudi Arabia and others. Palestine was the bastardized name for the ancient enemies of the Jews, the Philistines. It was the name given by the Romans when they sacked Jerusalem, committed genocide against the Jews, and destroyed the temple. It was a name revived under British rule during WWII. In reality, Israel and Jerusalem are and always will be the Jew's land. In fact, the rebirth of Israel, and it's permanence is one of THE most obvious proofs we have that the Bible is true-- that Jerusalem has indeed become a "burdensome stone for all nations" as predicted is the best evidence we have. And it frustrates and discredits the Koran.

[jarhead1976]

......... Interesting sight I could not hear the videos ... straight from the Palestinian point of view. some K PBP.

[deziloooooo]

Jun 12, 2011 12:01:19 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

There is no "Palestine", and there are no "Palestinians". They are ARABS. They have countries- mostly Jordan, but also Egypt, Syria, Saudi Arabia and others. Palestine was the bastardized name for the ancient enemies of the Jews, the Philistines. It was the name given by the Romans when they sacked Jerusalem, committed genocide against the Jews, and destroyed the temple. It was a name revived under British rule during WWII. In reality, Israel and Jerusalem are and always will be the Jew's land. In fact, the rebirth of Israel, and it's permanence is one of THE most obvious proofs we have that the Bible is true-- that Jerusalem has indeed become a "burdensome stone for all nations" as predicted is the best evidence we have. And it frustrates and discredits the Koran.

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As You say, and those who believe the West Bank, who feel the area , are the provinces of Judea and Samaria, given to the Jews / Hebrews by G-d, so many centuries ago.

The problem is there are 4,096,540 Palestinian , Arabs as you call them, they don't feel they are just Arabs, but I believe they prefer Palestinian Arabs , and who am I to argue over how they view them selves, who are actually living there.

If the wicki I will post is accurate, up to when it was posted not counting those Palestinians living throughout the globe, believe numbering about six million, give or take a few, there lies the problem.

There are those, thankfully a hugh minority , who feel just forcibly moving most of them them out of there to the Arab territories, those who are left being thought as of visitors, think our green card visitors, no real rights to stay if the government believes best to deport them in the future, and give them passports and citizenship of say, Jordan, naturally Jordan , a sovereign country having no say in the matter, problem solved.

So you and those few others, can believe how you do but in reality, I don't think it is any closer to solving this problem and will never be implemented, just another unfulfilled wish by some as so many other fulfilled wishes that are found around the globe.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_Palestinian_territories

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That is scary stuff, Jar. Won't translate for me. I got the hell out of there..

[marshabar1]

Muslims threw rocks at Jewish worshipers praying at the Western Wall after Friday’s Muslim prayers. Police arrested three Muslim attackers. The violence occurred after security forces decided to allow Muslims under the age of 50 to participate in Friday prayers. Usually, men younger than 50 are barred from praying on the Mount if there is an intelligence assessment that riots are being planned. The incident was captured on the Western Wall Heritage Funds Kotel cam. Worshipers can be seen fleeing 11 seconds into the video.

The Palestinian Authority has demanded control of the Temple Mount be handed over to it, and there have been reports that U.S. President Barack Obama supports this idea. However, incidents like the one on Friday have convinced many in Israel that the Muslims would not honor the rights of other religions if they were given power over the holy sites.

www.theblaze.com/stories/minutes-after-muslims-under-50-to-allowed-to-participate-in-the-friday-prayers-they-throw-rocks-at-jewish-worshipers-praying-at-the-western-wall/

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www.theblaze.com/stories/obama-gives-netanyahu-ultimatum-on-resuming-talks/

OBAMA GIVES NETANYAHU ULTIMATUM ON RESUMING TALKS
Posted on June 12, 2011 at 9:47pm

Report: US gives Netanyahu ultimatum on resuming talks
Israel Radio Reported Sunday that The United States gave Netanyahu an ultimatum on renewing negotiations with the Palestinians.
According to the ultimatum, Netanyahu has to decide within a month whether he agrees to accept US President Obama’s proposal and resume talks based on 1967 lines.
Washington is pressuring Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to accede to its proposal to resume Israeli-Palestinian peace talks on the basis of U.S. President Barack Obama’s May 19 speech.
An Israeli source who spoke recently with senior officials in Washington said the Americans were very frustrated with Netanyahu’s behavior, feeling that he was impeding America’s efforts to keep the Palestinians from unilaterally seeking UN recognition of a state in September.
Netanyahu’s personal envoy, Isaac Molho, spent last week in Washington, where the Americans presented their proposal for resuming talks on the basis of Obama’s speech. Specifically, Obama’s plan calls for negotiating over borders and security first, while deferring issues such as Jerusalem and the refugees until later. It also calls for the borders to be based on the 1967 lines, with mutually agreed land swaps.
The Americans told Molho that to block European initiatives such as France’s proposal for an international peace conference in Paris, they must have something concrete to offer, like Netanyahu‘s agreement to negotiate on the basis of Obama’s speech.
The U.S. proposal was also given to chief Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erekat, who said the Palestinians would resume talks on this basis.

Meanwhile, a European diplomat who was briefed on Molho’s talks in Washington said they were fruitless. “The Americans didn’t get anything new from Molho,” the diplomat said.
This week, American diplomat David Hale will arrive in Israel to hold further meetings with both Molho and Erekat. Hale is temporarily replacing George Mitchell, the U.S. special envoy who resigned earlier this year.
An Israeli source who maintains close ties with both senior U.S. officials and people close to Netanyahu said that Washington‘s frustration began with Netanyahu’s trip to Washington last month, when he publicly fought with Obama and then refused in an address to Congress to endorse the president’s outline for talks. The Americans were now speaking very harshly of Netanyahu, said the source.
“He’s asking us to protect him in September, but he isn’t giving us any tools with which to help him,” the source quoted one American official as saying. “Instead of helping us, he’s making it harder for us.”
As a result, American officials complained, Obama was unable to get Britain and France to commit to opposing a unilateral Palestinian move when he visited Europe last month.
“The Americans need Israel inside, but Netanyahu isn’t there yet,” the source said. “To date, from the American and European perspective, Israel hasn’t given anything.”
European diplomats said Netanyahu’s speech to Congress was viewed in Europe as one long “no” and had thus increased European distrust of him. “We want to hear Netanyahu say he‘s willing to negotiate on the basis of Obama’s speech and that he’ll discuss borders based on the 1967 lines with land swaps,” said one diplomat.
Since the barren talks with Molho last week, the White House has been upping the pressure on Netanyahu. On Friday, Steve Simon, who heads the U.S. National Security Council’s Middle East desk, told American Jewish leaders that Netanyahu needs to reply within a month to the U.S. proposal for restarting talks. The White House knew this remark would both be conveyed to Netanyahu and leaked to the American and Israeli press, thus making its displeasure public.
Haaretz.com

[marshabar1]

It's all about Obama. He needs to get his way to get his way.

[Deleted]

Not happening. Sooner we are rid of Obama the better.

[deziloooooo]

Jun 13, 2011 16:37:08 GMT -5 @krickitt said:

Not happening. Sooner we are rid of Obama the better.

Oh heavens to Betsy, how can you say that..shocking, never knew you objected to the man, you shouldn't have kept it such a secret Krick..out of the blue like that..need time to recover I do. Your really sure, don't want any time to reconsider??

well I like him so .. ;D

[Deleted]

Go ahead and like him, Dez. He is not friendly to Israel, and many like that, even you, an American Jewish man.. go figure...

[deziloooooo]

Jun 13, 2011 16:57:54 GMT -5 @krickitt said:

Go ahead and like him, Dez. He is not friendly to Israel, and many like that, even you, an American Jewish man.. go figure...

Krickett at times you post ...and then at times you post..., and right now it's the later..so I

[marshabar1]

Ultimatum, one month, back to 1967 borders. Nice.

[marshabar1]

Whereas some people post ... all the time.

[NoMoreLunacy]

Report: US gives Netanyahu ultimatum on resuming talks
Israel Radio Reported Sunday that The United States gave Netanyahu an ultimatum on renewing negotiations with the Palestinians.

Well done Obama.

[hello fromWarsaw]

"Ultimatum, one month, back to 1967 borders. Nice."

Total horse patoot.