NoMoreLunacy
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 11, 2011 20:51:11 GMT -5
For me, the candidate should be able to stand up and endorse gutting of Medicare and giving the money back to the rich in the form of tax cuts. Anything less than that, and I would rather vote for Obama. Enough's enough already. Conservatives have to start to take care of the rich or lose their support.
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Post by 2kids10horses on Jun 11, 2011 22:16:06 GMT -5
So, in your opinion, there should be no rich people? No one to buy yachts? That's too bad for the poor working class people who make yachts. And work in marinas. But, I guess that's the price we have to pay to properly punish those rich people.
We don't want them in our society! Nope! They live in fancy mansions that need gardeners, and maids, and people to come clean the pool. And they throw parties, and hire caterers, and florists. Nope. Can't have that.
And they drive those fancy cars that somebody had to make. And I bet they take 'em to the carwash pretty often. No, we don't want that!
And I've heard they don't even send their children to pubic school! Why, they spend their money on private schools and pay for teachers, and buildings to have schools. But, I guess those people who do those jobs we don't need, either.
So, since they're not rich anymore, you've taxed all their wealth away, we don't need any accountants, or H&R Block employees.
OMG!!! I almost forgot! Private jets and airplanes! Well, there's an industry that's just plain and simply evil. Sorry, Al Gore, you're going to have to fly commercial from now on. I guess we don't need those small secondary airports anymore, either. No hangers, or repair guys.
Nope, don't need any of all that, we gotta give more to medicaid. What's that? There's no doctors? Why not? What do you mean "It's not worth it?" Huh? Yeah, I know you went to 4 years of Med school after college. Yeah, I know you slaved away for 3 years of residency. But that doesn't give you any right to be RICH! Just because you worked for it! What are you thinking?
No! We have to let GOVERNMENT redistribute the wealth! Why, that's only FAIR! Only GOVERNMENT knows how best to spend the wealth.
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 11, 2011 22:23:11 GMT -5
Exactly! that's why we need to gut Medicare.
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Post by tyfighter3 on Jun 11, 2011 23:41:09 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2011 23:44:22 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2011 23:54:05 GMT -5
I want someone that can do what it takes to bring back jobs, secure the flipping borders, end the wars if they are not a matter of national security, open up our own natural resources for energy, yes-- drill, baby, drill.. make the future work for my kids and grandkids when they are old and I am long gone.. sure I will think of more, but that is enough for now.
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Jun 12, 2011 0:37:28 GMT -5
Who cares? He loses! Obamahhhhh!
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 12, 2011 8:08:19 GMT -5
This isn't theory for my friend Bob who worked for years as a mechanic on Citation and Gulfstream jets for a small private corporation. After the Obama / Democrat regime feigned 'outrage' over the auto execs flying to Washington, D.C. and Obama's admonishment that nobody in corporate America better be flying off to Vegas...Bob lost his job because the company he worked for was, "Concerned about their image" and "how it would look" to keep the fleet.
They scrapped it all for charter, and cut their travel and especially their entertainment budget. But the owners are still rich. They still do what they want to do-- they just do it in Nicaragua and Costa Rica now. The company itself finally left for Panama in 2010.
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Post by moon/Laura on Jun 12, 2011 8:11:52 GMT -5
hooray. another thread about how the rich are better and so much more entitled to this that and the other..
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 12, 2011 8:33:41 GMT -5
I don't see it as a net loss to our nation when people who love their money more than they love their country leave.
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Post by reasonfreedom on Jun 12, 2011 9:18:05 GMT -5
I don't see it as a net loss to our nation when people who love their money more than they love their country leave. I would say that qualifies most of the politicians and administrations.
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 12, 2011 9:35:23 GMT -5
I don't see it as a net loss to our nation when people who love their money more than they love their country leave. I would say that qualifies most of the politicians and administrations. I would say it qualifies a great number of Americans these days. (Those stepping up to serve our nation in uniform being a very notable except.)
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Post by Tired Tess on Jun 12, 2011 9:36:28 GMT -5
I'd like to see a flat tax. A certain % across the board for everyone. And someone get these welfare programs a little more under control. Also, why are manufacturing business moving out of the states? Can we, if not as a country, maybe on a state to state basis, help keep work here in the US?? Also, keep the military strong. I'm not saying buy or develop new things, just make sure what we have is in working order and PLENTY of it.
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 12, 2011 11:03:03 GMT -5
hooray. another thread about how the rich are better and so much more entitled to this that and the other.. The rich are not better. They are just more entitled.
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Post by moon/Laura on Jun 12, 2011 11:03:47 GMT -5
no. .they just THINK they are...
their shit still stinks, just like anyone else's.
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 12, 2011 11:08:14 GMT -5
no. .they just THINK they are... their shit still stinks, just like anyone else's. Absolutely, their shit still stinks. We are talking about money here though. We need some laws that clearly state that the rich are entitled to become richer. Thank goodness the Republican Party is working on it.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 12, 2011 11:13:09 GMT -5
hooray. another thread about how the rich are better and so much more entitled to this that and the other.. Maybe. Speaking for myself, my post was about how destructive it is to the average working class person when policy is made not to generate revenue to fund the legitimate functions of government, but to pit one group of voters against another based purely on class envy.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2011 11:13:59 GMT -5
Deal is-- the rich create jobs. They hire, and they spend their money in ways that create jobs. You don't have to like it, but it is fact. Do people REALLY want all the rich to come down a notch or 20?? Really??? So they don't spend the money that creates the jobs?? How many more millions out of work is it going to take to make people appreciate the fact that the rich keep the economy alive and moving? It's not bad enough yet??
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 12, 2011 11:18:03 GMT -5
I don't see it as a net loss to our nation when people who love their money more than they love their country leave. Nice try. I see it as a tragedy when a bloated, over-reaching federal government chases private citizens out like they are pests. When the rights of one group are trampled and their property seized to buy the votes of another group. When honest citizens flee because they are under assault for the crime of doing well economically-- there's a word for that: tyranny. And no bloated, tyrannical, top-down, centrally planned economy has ever worked. It always chases away the most prodcutive. But it does make everyone equal: Equally miserable and poor.
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 12, 2011 11:29:35 GMT -5
Two different perspectives paul. For some of us, tons of "stuff" is not necessary for happiness. I understand that for some it is the be all and end all. IM(not so)HO, those for which it is, they have been sucked in by the greatest propaganda campaign in the history of consumerism.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 12, 2011 11:30:37 GMT -5
Below is a photo from a trip I made to Haiti where the income tax rate is 80% On the other side of the wall is a beautiful, albiet empty, government-provided "marketplace"-- think outdoor mall. All a person has to do to have a stall or a "store" there is register with the government. Nobody does. Because they can't afford to pay the taxes. It's not a matter of being greedy or desiring to cheat- they cannot afford it. As a result of these destructive policies, people set up "restaurants" like the one you see above. When the government officials come, they pack up and move down the street. Frequently vendors simply trade places. Nobody can really hold land in Haiti-- the government essentially owns everything. As a result, nobody really bothers to improve their property, plant crops, or build anything because the moment someone creates something of value, it is confiscated-- either by private or government gangs-- and it is very hard to tell the difference between the two. I don't exaggerate when I say this is where the United States is headed. It's already impossible to outright own productive property in the United States. Oh, the government may not necessarily claim ownership-- unless you live in New London, CT-- but the EPA or some other agency or other can render your property valueless with one decision. In the event you do succeed and do well, you're income will be targeted for redistribution to others who have not taken the risks or done the work. The incentives are aligning now to promote sloth-- to promote government dependency. Why work and have it taken away, when you can sit back and be the one to whom it is given...? This is the country the left is creating. The destruction of our economy is purposeful. They make no bones about the fact they don't like our prosperity, they feel it is 'unearned', they think we exploit the poor around the world-- when in fact, our little planet doesn't suffer from the unequal distribution of wealth-- it suffers from an unequal distribution of individual liberty.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 12, 2011 11:33:51 GMT -5
Two different perspectives paul. For some of us, tons of "stuff" is not necessary for happiness. I understand that for some it is the be all and end all. IM(not so)HO, those for which it is, they have been sucked in by the greatest propaganda campaign in the history of consumerism. Call it what you want, it's none of your business how another person wants to live in a free country. Some people like their stuff. It's none of your concern. "Redistribution" is theft.
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Post by mmhmm on Jun 12, 2011 11:35:54 GMT -5
I couldn't agree more, billis. I look around me at people who make about the same amount I do, and see rampant consumerism swallowing every dime. They've gotta have the big house, the big cars, the "right" clothes, etc. They've gotta look successful to their "friends" (read competitors). To me, it's kinda sad. There's a lot more to life than what's in your wallet, your driveway, or your image, as I see it.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 12, 2011 11:38:51 GMT -5
I'm glad this man... ...wasn't content with "just enough". He has made hundreds of millions of dollars. He financed an entire village in Haiti through the Caring House Project Foundation. He donated more that year than twice the median wage. He's gotta have it to give it. The Caring House Project focuses on self-sufficiency and sustainability. So, it's not merely charity-- but education. It's agriculture. It's animal husbandry. It's making on their OWN with a hand UP, not a hand OUT. And who else are you going to trust? Government? I'll take this guy and the private charity over government any day.
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 12, 2011 11:40:16 GMT -5
As Haiti entered the 1990s, however, the main challenge to agriculture was not economic, but ecological. Extreme deforestation, soil erosion, droughts, flooding, and the ravages of other natural disasters had all led to a critical environmental situation. countrystudies.us/haiti/48.htm If only Haiti had more individual liberty. Haiti has always been a spot on the Earth where people have struggled to support their existence.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 12, 2011 11:44:22 GMT -5
As Haiti entered the 1990s, however, the main challenge to agriculture was not economic, but ecological. Extreme deforestation, soil erosion, droughts, flooding, and the ravages of other natural disasters had all led to a critical environmental situation. countrystudies.us/haiti/48.htm If only Haiti had more individual liberty. Haiti has always been a spot on the Earth where people have struggled to support their existence. Um, how do you explain the other half of the Island of Hispaniola? That would be the Dominican Republic. It's a stak contrast-- it's not quite as stark as North Korea and South Korea-- or Israel and its Arab neighbors-- but it's pretty stark. Deforestation has come from the country's lack of a real economy and an energy production sector. The populace cuts down trees to make charcoal to sell, and for fuel to cook what little they have. I'm gonna make a recommendation here- and this is the nice way of saying it: don't try to discuss this topic with me from your place of ignorance. You litterally know nothing about it and you're not going to be able to out-Google me on the topic because I've been there, I've studied it, and I know people there.
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 12, 2011 11:48:39 GMT -5
As Haiti entered the 1990s, however, the main challenge to agriculture was not economic, but ecological. Extreme deforestation, soil erosion, droughts, flooding, and the ravages of other natural disasters had all led to a critical environmental situation. countrystudies.us/haiti/48.htm If only Haiti had more individual liberty. Haiti has always been a spot on the Earth where people have struggled to support their existence. Um, how do you explain the other half of the Island of Hispaniola? That would be the Dominican Republic. It's a stak contrast-- it's not quite as stark as North Korea and South Korea-- or Israel and its Arab neighbors-- but it's pretty stark. Deforestation has come from the country's lack of a real economy and an energy production sector. The populace cuts down trees to make charcoal to sell, and for fuel to cook what little they have. I'm gonna make a recommendation here- and this is the nice way of saying it: don't try to discuss this topic with me from your place of ignorance. You litterally know nothing about it and you're not going to be able to out-Google me on the topic because I've been there, I've studied it, and I know people there. I love to argue from my place of ignorance. ;D Many have seen the answers for places such as Haiti over the millennia.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 12, 2011 11:51:53 GMT -5
This is Frank McKinney and his wife Nilsa. They have made hundreds of millions of dollars selling oppulent homes to the wealthiest people on earth. All Palm Beach County- all ocean front. For the money they have, they have a modest home in Delray Beach across from the public beach there. He mostly drives a used Yugo. He is responsible for building the world's largest Certified Green mansion, "Aqua Liana". They are also the founders of the Caring House Project Foundation. A LOT of their money goes to charity. We could let the government confiscate it, and we could trust the government to do more good than these two do with their own money made by selling houses to the ultra-rich (Only about 50,000 people out of the world's 6 some odd billion people even qualify to buy one of his homes) and we could take the money of his buyer's, too. But I think we should leave him and his customers alone. That way, is contractors can keep working. His painters, his carpenters, his landscapers, the artists that do the glass, and so on...can all keep working and the people in Haiti he helps can keep turning their lives around.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 12, 2011 11:52:35 GMT -5
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 12, 2011 11:53:35 GMT -5
How do you explain Hong Kong? It's a rock. Literally. It's a big rock in the Ocean. It has no natural resources. None.
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