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Post by marshabar1 on Jun 12, 2011 21:06:38 GMT -5
Sad thing. I met a 19 year old man a couple weeks ago who was deploying next day to Afghanistan. He was trained to be in a tank team but since there are no tanks used in Afghanistan because the mission is "win hearts and minds" he is instead deployed as foot infantry to walk the streets of Kandahar accompanying MP's on calls and rounds. The mission is to befriend people as they go.
We will stay in touch with him and send him goodies. I am sorry to see our good young people sent into a place that does nothing but tear down all our good efforts.
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Post by lakhota on Jun 12, 2011 21:08:01 GMT -5
Lakhota: I have asked myself this same question more than once and cannot come up with a reasonable answer. Just a big waste of money and a bigger waste of American military. When over there will be nothing accomplished nor gained. Just lives and money thrown down a dark hole. Thanks for your logical response. I pretty much feel the same way. I get disgusted with the bizarre rationale that more must die and be crippled to honor those already dead and crippled.
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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 12, 2011 21:14:40 GMT -5
Possible and then again things we haven't a clue on..one of them , forgetting why we went in the place in the first place, they are still there planning for the next one, the reason I put up before, even though I was told I was ignoring the op, though for one who has the experience they say they have, a bit of a to quick dismissal of, IMHO, basically all of us have no need to know so we do object to the cost..and I do too, possible a lower profile, which seems to be starting. I know we all like to play Monday morning quarterback, but here it is a bit more serious then that, and the players who are playing are our own young brave ones, some not so young, the commanders, doing what they can, need our full support, including the one ultimately in charge...which is asking a bit much from some...wearn't happy before he took his oath..not making that one up, admitted very proudly by some here, and in my mind, I believe for some, I know why. Naturally , all the above is IMHO. ;D
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Post by lakhota on Jun 12, 2011 21:17:56 GMT -5
Huh?
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Jun 12, 2011 21:31:08 GMT -5
Same reason we went there in 2001, and to make up Booosh's disastrous idiocy in going to Iraq. We also need to make up for the abandonments of the poor Afganis by Reagan and Booosh. And stop the area from falling under the horrendous Taliban again...GD idiot Pubs again. and always...
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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 12, 2011 21:33:14 GMT -5
clear to me..not you? As our friend says..Deal with it or not, your choice.
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 12, 2011 22:23:15 GMT -5
Lakhota: I have asked myself this same question more than once and cannot come up with a reasonable answer. Just a big waste of money and a bigger waste of American military. When over there will be nothing accomplished nor gained. Just lives and money thrown down a dark hole. Thanks for your logical response. I pretty much feel the same way. I get disgusted with the bizarre rationale that more must die and be crippled to honor those already dead and crippled. The death and the crippling I can deal with (fter all it will never be my kid). What I can't deal with is that it will be done with MY tax money. Give me back that money already in the form of tax cuts for the rich.
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 12, 2011 22:23:58 GMT -5
It's not like they gave up a great career to join the militaryDid you ever hear of Pat Tillman and his brother, and other athletes who went into the military after they received offers to play pro sports?? Few and far between.
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Post by AGB on Jun 12, 2011 22:29:00 GMT -5
The death and the crippling I can deal with (fter all it will never be my kid). Yes, I can see how procreating would be an issue for you...
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Post by handyman2 on Jun 12, 2011 22:29:21 GMT -5
The real problem as I see it is that we view the world as we see it. Well countries like Afghanistan have a long history that is totally different than ours or other countries. They have no intention of changing no matter what. Their governments have always been corrupt, they survive from selling opium to the rest of the world. They have no intention of changing that. They have fought among themselves for centuries and will continue to do so. Sections have been controlled by war lords for hundreds of years and still actually are. We could stay there for years and in the end it will still be the same. Democracy: They want no part of it. Osama is gone which was our premise to go there in the first place. Past time to leave them in the 18th century where they have been all along.
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 12, 2011 22:30:41 GMT -5
The real problem as I see it is that we view the world as we see it. Well countries like Afghanistan have a long history that is totally different than ours or other countries. They have no intention of changing no matter what. Their governments have always been corrupt, they survive from selling opium to the rest of the world. They have no intention of changing that. They have fought among themselves for centuries and will continue to do so. Sections have been controlled by war lords for hundreds of years and still actually are. We could stay there for years and in the end it will still be the same. Democracy: They want no part of it. Osama is gone which was our premise to go there in the first place. Past time to leave them in the 18th century where they have been all along. Just drop some nukes on the way out.
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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 12, 2011 22:54:08 GMT -5
The real problem as I see it is that we view the world as we see it. Well countries like Afghanistan have a long history that is totally different than ours or other countries. They have no intention of changing no matter what. Their governments have always been corrupt, they survive from selling opium to the rest of the world. They have no intention of changing that. They have fought among themselves for centuries and will continue to do so. Sections have been controlled by war lords for hundreds of years and still actually are. We could stay there for years and in the end it will still be the same. Democracy: They want no part of it. Osama is gone which was our premise to go there in the first place. Past time to leave them in the 18th century where they have been all along. Handyman..I can't really argue against your thoughts. I know that many want the democracy, not all are in the hinterlands playing war lord and vendettas, but I am afraid that to many do want this..or know nothing else and the will to enter the 21st century is just to much for them and their leaders to comprehend or want to change and we really can't afford o keep at it as we have been doing. Yet to pull out completely and have those who hate us and are still in a war with us free reign again, I feel some presence is needed , how much I don't know, it's a decision over my pay scale, but a complete withdrawl , no influence at all, I am just not convinced. However, you do make a convincing argument. PS I have to say, this new tool virgil gave us, I LIKE it... "You have chosen to ignore ravinglunatic" Am I missing anything? If so I bet I can live with the non knowledge and awareness.
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Post by marshabar1 on Jun 12, 2011 23:15:10 GMT -5
Just remembered. Army officer friend deployed to Afghanistan in December on finance stuff is now told no go until Dec 2012. That means pretty much not at all. Bammer is cutting back. Bye A-Gangistan.
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Post by lakhota on Jun 13, 2011 0:22:30 GMT -5
OOPS! Ninety Percent of Petraeus's Captured "Taliban" Were CiviliansWASHINGTON, Jun 12, 2011 (IPS) - During his intensive initial round of media interviews as commander in Afghanistan in August 2010, Gen. David Petraeus released figures to the news media that claimed spectacular success for raids by Special Operations Forces: in a 90-day period from May through July, SOF units had captured 1,355 rank and file Taliban, killed another 1,031, and killed or captured 365 middle or high-ranking Taliban. The claims of huge numbers of Taliban captured and killed continued through the rest of 2010. In December, Petraeus's command said a total of 4,100 Taliban rank and file had been captured in the previous six months and 2,000 had been killed. Those figures were critical to creating a new media narrative hailing the success of SOF operations as reversing what had been a losing U.S. strategy in Afghanistan. But it turns out that more than 80 percent of those called captured Taliban fighters were released within days of having been picked up, because they were found to have been innocent civilians, according to official U.S. military data. Even more were later released from the main U.S. detention facility at Bagram airbase called the Detention Facility in Parwan after having their files reviewed by a panel of military officers. The timing of Petraeus's claim of Taliban fighters captured or killed, moreover, indicates that he knew that four out of five of those he was claiming as "captured Taliban rank and file" were not Taliban fighters at all. When Petraeus decided in mid-August to release the figure of 1,355 Taliban rank and file allegedly captured during the 90-day period, he already knew that 80 percent or more of that total had already been released. Petraeus continued to exploit media ignorance of the discrepancy between the number of Taliban rank and file said to have been "captured" and the number actually sent to the FDIP. More: ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=56038
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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 13, 2011 1:35:49 GMT -5
a bit of the old body count from back in the day me guess..thought they did away with that scenario.
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