Pubs please explain this for me...

[deziloooooo]

Todays paper , local, has a story in it, Peter Diamond, noble Prize winning Economist with drew his long stalled nomination to the Federal reserve board, he was nominated by Obama April of 2010. He said he couldn't wait any longer and said that Republicans who have blocked his confirmation failed to understand the importance of his work on unemployment.
He also said , "Last October I won the Noble Prize in Economics for my work on unemployment and the labor market , but I am unqualified to serve on the board of the Federal reserve"..at least according to the Republican senators who have blocked my nomination.
"How can this be" said Diamond who is a professor at MIT.[Pretty good school there too}
Norm Ornstein of the conservative leaning American Enterprise Institute said, "We've had hugh numbers of nominees blocked and very few of them for reasons to do with the qualifications or character .
The result of this is more top governmental officials serving in acting roles that weaken their power as placeholders. It could force Obama to make greater use of recess appointments which bypass the Senate confirmation process but leaves the officeholder with a much shorter term.
Sen Shelby has blocked this nomination, all types of reasons , has to say something.."old fashioned big government Keynesian", he calls Diamond, supported the bank bail outs..[like who didn't if they had any credentials, pubs and dems did]

There were many others also blocked or who have with drawn their candidnesses mentioned, but my question is , unless you feel none of these directors and heads of departments are necessary to run these departments, the departments are not going away, why this obstinate saying no on any thing and everything.

I am no expert here neither are the rest of you here but do we have a problem with our economy, unemployment, jobs , work, yadda , yadda..so possible some one like Mr Diamond, hey a noble prize in Unemployment , labor market expert,possible might be a good idea, he volunteered for this position, no money earner, these people do very well on their own, but because the POTUS put him up, it's a no?

Yet we are suppose to get out of this hole with all this bipartisan cooperation right ?

When do we start helping the country out and stop this horsey Bull S*&^, put the partisanship away, or is the Titanic the way it is supposed to go, yelling No, NO , No all the way to the bottom?

[burnsattornincan]

I won the Noble Prize

There is the first problem.

[deziloooooo]

Jun 7, 2011 22:51:27 GMT -5 burnsattornincan said:

I won the Noble Prize

There is the first problem.

"Pubs please explain this for me..."

I ask for pubs to explain and I get burns..yes he did win it..it's a fact, to say he did, yet say I can't qualify for this position, he's over qualified?
That' not the problem, the problem as you know is what ever the current POTUS does, says, infers , asks for , the other side is back to what they were in the first half of his administration , and that is to say NO.
Here in almost all of the ones waiting confirmation is just No thus we will get recesss appointments and they will scream to high heaven about that, an hopefully these no's and the other no's will resonate with the electorate and you all will be screaming "Obama sucks because I said so" for another four years, and I will be giving you all and possible, but he'll be there in that chair till 2016 so ...as another here liked to say..."Deal with it " ;D

[burnsattornincan]

I ask for pubs to explain and I get burns..

Yeah, consider yourself lucky because I almost fell asleep again. I guess you didn't get my point about a Nobel Prize. You know that Obama won one, right? I don't think I need to continue here.

[Deleted]

Hi Deziloooooo: The Noble Prize is given out for a lot of reasons & to be qualified you have to meet their (the prize committee's) qualifications. Nobody else knows what those qualifications are. Of the Noble Prizes that I've heard of, most of them went to well lets just say some very strange picks. Many of those people weren't even leaders in their field. Of course some people are given the Noble that really deserve it (meaning the money) but getting it doesn't really say anything about you the person or your work.

It seems kind of a random (& strange) award. I'm not picking on President Obama here either, but I did think his was also a little strange. I get the impression that what helps you win the Noble is how many days a newspaper writes about you & your on the cover. You might look up the Noble & see some of the past winners. Real odd picks.

I know nothing about the guy you posted about.

[mmhmm]

It's the Nobel Prize. It's named after Alfred Nobel, a Swedish scientist, inventor, pacifist, author and poet. When he died, he left his fortune to be used to establish this honor. Besides the Peace Prize, there are also Nobel prizes for chemistry, physics, literature, and medicine.

[deziloooooo]

Jun 7, 2011 23:51:52 GMT -5 @oldtex said:

Hi Deziloooooo: The Noble Prize is given out for a lot of reasons & to be qualified you have to meet their (the prize committee's) qualifications. Nobody else knows what those qualifications are. Of the Noble Prizes that I've heard of, most of them went to well lets just say some very strange picks. Many of those people weren't even leaders in their field. Of course some people are given the Noble that really deserve it (meaning the money) but getting it doesn't really say anything about you the person or your work.

It seems kind of a random (& strange) award. I'm not picking on President Obama here either, but I did think his was also a little strange. I get the impression that what helps you win the Noble is how many days a newspaper writes about you & your on the cover. You might look up the Noble & see some of the past winners. Real odd picks.

I know nothing about the guy you posted about.

old , I also have a question as I think he did himself , about Obama's award, and Arafat's years ago and , and... I guess if I googled and knew more on those who are awarded them.

But I am old fashion and I know it is a prestigeouse award, it is thought so by those fellows in the fields that are awarded and will go along with the old fashion thinking that the majority of those who are awarded the Prize and honor have done things that make them stand out from their fellows in those fields and many of those fields are unique, demanding of intellect discovery, and the reasons given the Noble, have to stand up the the scruteny of their peers.

I don't read of to many press conferences of those types protesting that Doctor whoever was not deserving of...so I am giving Mr Diamond the benefit of the doubt , he was more then qualified , did some outstanding work, and actually as I reread the article , was nominated in April, the award was given in October, so he was nominated because he won it , was qualified for the recommended position before he received the Noble which would mean to me it was a extra plus to get a qualified man AND out of the blue, the Noble prize winner to boot.

Not many of those type around..kinda like the ones in the military, who receive the "Medal" unique, special, only in this case they are alive and whole.

The point of the post was , and to jump on the one nominated as if the Noble is a bogus award , means nothing as burns is insinuated, was not the Noble but the hold up of confirmations of Mr Diamond, and so many others, as mentioned by Mr. Ornstein , a CONSERVATIVE gentleman of a prestigeouse CONSERVATIVE Institute, who is insinuating for no other reasons but political.

These held up appointments because of the Political, so many, is wrong, these people are needed and to go political in the large #'s it is being done is wrong. IMHO and ctually not a opinion, the way it is, just damn wrong.

[Savoir Faire-Demogague in NJ]

"How can this be" said Diamond who is a professor at MIT.[Pretty good school there too}


People get themselves too impressed with schools individuals graduate or teach at. We have a guy at work who has a doctorate from MIT. The guy is brilliant, his undergrad was Harvard.
He is running a project for over three years that is on a death march. Complete disaster, and he refuses to take any advice on how to get the project moving and showing results.

[reasonfreedom]

Obama received the Nobel Peace and he continues involving us in wars. That just shows you can do the exact opposite of what the award involves. Since Diamond won the Nobel Economics prize in showing how to solve the unemployment problem, just means it is possible that he can make it that much more of a problem. As far as coming from a good school, that also really doesn't classify as a good candidate. Many of the past/current administration's economic advisers taught at multiple high end economic schools, I would classify them as failures. The major problem that I see is that as a human race we are still looking at things as black and white, democrat or repub. I say we should just not have any party and just elect people with reason and intelligence. Until we learn to do the last we are not going to get much of any problem solved.

[handyman2]

My question is if his system works why does he need to be appointed to the federal reserve to implement his system? One thing I have found with some professors that are brillient in a field do not always work well with others. Maybe his system works or doesn't but winning a Nobel Peace prize should have no bearing on it.

[privateinvestor]

[I won the Noble Prize[/b]

There is the first problem.[/quote][/color]


Excuse me Dalton but have you ever been nominated for the Noble Prize for your Pro Bono legal work in Ottawa?? I read your Bio which says that you have been known for selfless service and significants acts of service to the civic and religious community in Ottawa which demonstrated that you are a man for all times by your convictions, adhering to the principles of honesty, justice, composition and the preservation of human dignity...


Very impressive Sir and not a surprise to Yours Truly

[fairlycrazy23]

Well for one reason he seems to believe that our unemployment problems are a failure of free markets, but he is wrong.

He does seem to reluctantly admit that unemployment benefits actually increase unemployment, which most everybody knows.

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[deziloooooo]

Well it's been long enough...asking pubs to explain something is I guess similar to what so many parents find themselves doing when the time comes to start explaining the birds and the bees. ...starting , stopping, beating around the bush..going off tangent, trying to fine the words, especially if the kids are a bit older and start asking those embarrassing technical questions,
Many times in their minds they are thinking, " I love you darlins but don't you have friends you can ask as I did, and save me all this embarrassment ".

Here the question to be answered was why all those refusing to confirm appointments, Mr. Diamond being only one, how is this good for the country. The basis for the hold up, usually not a yes or no vote, just a stalling, waste of time and money on hearings for all parties involved.

I am going to suggest these people who are nominated are very successful in what they do , well compensated, and if appointed it will be a sacrifice to them, in living style, family life, economically Actually since they know it is a temporary position, up to which administration is in power, to cut all ties to their normal life probably isn't done so in many cases they suffer financially and serve these positions because of patriotism, wanting to give back.
Yet here now , in this Congress they are left hanging for long times unnecessarily, thus giving thoughts to others who when asked to serve by other administrations, and knowing the procedure, the thought would,might be,

" Are you kidding Mr. President, with all respect, you must be coo coo to put myself through that zoo, thank you for the thought but no sir "

The positions are important. If the posters and readers are not quite sure about what these positions are and their relevance a simple google can be done or just go along, they are important and need to be filled. Since Washington's time , granted many more departments now, also more land under control, populace size yadda, yadda. , there have been departments of the Government that needed heads to run them .

Always with the assumption, under and reporting to the executive and definitely the legislative. Usually the Senate being the watch dog to vent the ones nominated, and once in office these folks appointed are at the beck and call of the legislature to come before them and explain their actions, a system that seems to work well.

When it seems the legislature plays politics on these appointments, as the pubs are doing, even conservative think tanks are saying so, and criticizing them, it gets to the point some , me , ask what is going on, why?
We have problems here in the country, see ail the thoughts of concerns brought up here in our little chat room, even over shadowing topics in importance , sometimes, such as who WILL be running for moderator here, is Jose really a illegal or does he have papers, and so many items of interest.

So I asked for some help from those who support the ones in Washington who are doing the holdups, of Mr. Diamond and others, just a reason why, possible I am missing it and can some one explain why the conservative members of legislature, many times one person with clout but with the backing of others of his party, are not fulfilling their duties and moving on these appointments, one up as said since April of 2010, it is now June of 2011, two months over a year, please explain , and all I see is a dissing of a reward that the man hadn't even received when his name was put up for the position, and other childish disses as well as it seems a thread to a paper that the one who had been nominated for had nothing to do with.

So I thank all who have responded, good try, ...sorry you all failed but the effort was appreciated.

{ I guess the real answer would be, a short one really, "It's politics Dude...DEAL WITH IT } ;D

[jkapp]

Jun 7, 2011 23:15:46 GMT -5 deziloooooo said:

Jun 7, 2011 22:51:27 GMT -5 burnsattornincan said:

I won the Noble Prize

There is the first problem.

"Pubs please explain this for me..."

I ask for pubs to explain and I get burns..yes he did win it..it's a fact, to say he did, yet say I can't qualify for this position, he's over qualified?
That' not the problem, the problem as you know is what ever the current POTUS does, says, infers , asks for , the other side is back to what they were in the first half of his administration , and that is to say NO.
Here in almost all of the ones waiting confirmation is just No thus we will get recesss appointments and they will scream to high heaven about that, an hopefully these no's and the other no's will resonate with the electorate and you all will be screaming "Obama sucks because I said so" for another four years, and I will be giving you all and possible, but he'll be there in that chair till 2016 so ...as another here liked to say..."Deal with it " ;D

Why are you only complaining about the one way no?

The reps have brought up several plans that the democrats and Obama have flatly said No to as well...so your idea of cooperation is one side just folds to the other?

[deziloooooo]

Jun 8, 2011 13:17:45 GMT -5 jkapp said:

Jun 7, 2011 23:15:46 GMT -5 deziloooooo said:

"Pubs please explain this for me..."

I ask for pubs to explain and I get burns..yes he did win it..it's a fact, to say he did, yet say I can't qualify for this position, he's over qualified?
That' not the problem, the problem as you know is what ever the current POTUS does, says, infers , asks for , the other side is back to what they were in the first half of his administration , and that is to say NO.
Here in almost all of the ones waiting confirmation is just No thus we will get recesss appointments and they will scream to high heaven about that, an hopefully these no's and the other no's will resonate with the electorate and you all will be screaming "Obama sucks because I said so" for another four years, and I will be giving you all and possible, but he'll be there in that chair till 2016 so ...as another here liked to say..."Deal with it " ;D

Why are you only complaining about the one way no?

The reps have brought up several plans that the democrats and Obama have flatly said No to as well...so your idea of cooperation is one side just folds to the other?

jkapp the thread is on one aspect of governing..procedures, the venting on and voting on,, administrators who are asked to fill head of department opening, important in my mind, go along with me on this whether you feel otherwise on the importance of.
Your suggesting that it is payback for being the minority party and their ideas are rejected

[Possible some of their ideas are Incorporated in legislation , but even there, not pertinent to this discussion]

to suggest it's perfectly correct, payback, by a opposition party on any and all things brought to the table, legislation, appointments, whatever, to me does not hold water, and is harmful to my AND your country

The difference between you and I , and I feel most libs and pubs, didn't say all, but most, if the shoe was on the other foot, and this was going on, now into a over year hold ups, I would be criticizing my party as being idiots.
Poor legislatures and they better end it or I may think twice of supporting them next time they come up for my approval or disapproval..and be able to admit on a nothing zone like this one to you if you had brought up the fact as I did, your correct, I am ashamed of my people they are wriong..and on this one, you got it right, it's a disgrace.

[burnsattornincan]

Excuse me Dalton but have you ever been nominated for the Noble Prize for your Pro Bono legal work in Ottawa??

Mr. P.I. you must be talking about my colleague, Mr. Horace P. Tickleton.