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Post by lakhota on Jun 7, 2011 17:10:33 GMT -5
When Clinton was asked "Did you have sexual relations with Monica?" he called a time out and checked the DC statutes for the exact wording on the local law on "sexual relations." DC law said "sexual relations" was intercourse, which Bill and Monica never had. Turns out - legally - Clinton never had "sexual relations" with Monica. He testified honestly and America's media had a field day. You can call Clinton "slick" but the law is the law. www.bartcop.com/Under the laws of Washington DC at the time of his testimony, oral sex was not legally considered "sexual relations". Thus, Clinton's statement, while untrue by any standard of common sense you wish to use, was perfectly accurate and truthful under the law and thus not perjury at all, despite accusations to the contrary. tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BillClinton
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 7, 2011 17:21:39 GMT -5
This thread is so last century. Lak..., help me out with a reason for this thread. I just don't see it.
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Post by cme1201 on Jun 7, 2011 17:22:48 GMT -5
Depends on what your definition of "reason" is.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2011 17:23:52 GMT -5
No, I did not have sexual relations with Monica. ;D
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Post by lakhota on Jun 7, 2011 17:24:18 GMT -5
This thread is so last century. Lak..., help me out with a reason for this thread. I just don't see it. bill, let it go...
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 7, 2011 17:24:45 GMT -5
Depends on what your definition of "reason" is. I did indicate "a" reason, not "the" reason. I'm easy.
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 7, 2011 17:25:57 GMT -5
This thread is so last century. Lak..., help me out with a reason for this thread. I just don't see it. bill, let it go...
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Post by ❤ mollymouser ❤ on Jun 7, 2011 17:28:34 GMT -5
<--- also wondering what the point of this thread is, actually.
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Post by lakhota on Jun 7, 2011 17:31:59 GMT -5
<--- also wondering what the point of this thread is, actually. Well, wondering is probably good for you. Is this thread violating some rule or CoC?
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Post by cme1201 on Jun 7, 2011 17:33:43 GMT -5
Too prove that Bill Clinton did not "technically" lie while under oath, he lied, we all know that, he admitted it he apologized.
For some reason (and that reason would be Rep. Wiener) Lakhota needed to puff up and defend Clinton.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2011 17:34:44 GMT -5
chronicle.augusta.com/stories/2004/06/27/met_420359.shtmlOriginally created 06/27/04 Oral STD rate in teens is up, doctors report By Columbia County Bureau They can't point to clear statistics, but local health officials say they are seeing a growing number of oral sexually transmitted diseases among teens. "Oral sex is taking the place of intercourse. They think it's safer - they can't get pregnant, can't get an STD," said Mary Stacy, an adolescent health and youth development coordinator for the Richmond County Health Department. Much of it, health officials say, has to do with the belief that oral sex is not sex. "They don't look at it as sex and feel they are still virgins," said registered nurse Denise Scott, of the Richmond County Health Department's sexually transmitted disease clinic....... Think they learned that on the evening news? That article in '04.... teens would have been kids when Bill did not have sex with Monica.... teach the little ones well..
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Post by cme1201 on Jun 7, 2011 17:35:24 GMT -5
<--- also wondering what the point of this thread is, actually. Well, wondering is probably good for you. Is this thread violating some rule or CoC? No but, most posts are put up for discussion, to trade ideas, thoughts, information. Not to try and dig up defense for something that has zero effect on either Politics at this time or the Markets as they relate to the political environment.
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Post by ❤ mollymouser ❤ on Jun 7, 2011 17:37:33 GMT -5
I am aware of no rule or CoC violation with this thread.
But since President Clinton's antics with Ms. Lewinsky occurred approximately 16 years ago (1995-1996), and the topic of this thread is decidedly sexual in nature, I am merely inquiring as to the point of the thread given Proboards admonitions about "adult content."
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2011 17:40:14 GMT -5
Holy smokes, Bill!!! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton#Sexual_misconduct_allegations Sexual misconduct allegations Throughout his career, Clinton has been subject to various allegations of sexual misconduct, though he as only admitted extramarital relationships with Monica Lewinsky and Gennifer Flowers.[133] For alleged misconduct during his governorship, Paula Jones brought a sexual harassment lawsuit against Clinton while he was president. Clinton argued that as a sitting president, he should not be vulnerable to a civil suit of this nature. The case landed in the U.S. Supreme Court. The Supreme Court held that "Deferral of this litigation until petitioner's Presidency ends is not constitutionally required."[134] However, a U.S. judge in Arkansas, Susan Webber Wright, ruled that since Jones had not suffered any damages, the case should be dismissed.[135] On April 2, 1998, Judge Susan Webber Wright dismissed Jones' lawsuit.[136] On July 31, 1998, Jones appealed the dismissal to the United States Court of Appeals for the Eighth Circuit.[137] During the deposition for the Jones lawsuit, which was held at the White House,[138] Clinton denied having sexual relations with Monica Lewinsky – a denial that became the basis for the impeachment charge of perjury. On November 18, 1998, Clinton agreed to an out-of-court settlement, and agreed to pay Jones and her attorneys a sum of $850,000.00.[139] Clinton, however, still offered no apology to Jones and still denied ever engaging in a sexual affair with her.[139] In 1998, Kathleen Willey alleged Clinton sexually assaulted her four years previously. In 1998, Juanita Broaddrick alleged Clinton raped her some twenty years previously. The accusations by Willey and Broaddrick were never brought before a court. The independent counsel determined Willey gave "false information" to the FBI and inconsistent sworn testimony related to the Jones allegation.[140] Willey was also able to dodge perjury charges after Kenneth Starr granted her immunity for her testimony.[140] Broaddrick's only sworn testimony about Clinton was a previous denial of any harassment by Clinton.[141] Gennifer Flowers, Elizabeth Ward Gracen, Sally Perdue, and Dolly Kyle Browning each have reported having adulterous sexual relations with Clinton during or before his service as governor. Gracen later apologized to Hillary Clinton.[142] Dolly Kyle Browning alleged that she and Clinton engaged in a long sexual affair.[143] Browning began writing a "semi-autobiographical novel" about the affair. In the publication process, Browning asserted that Clinton did everything in his power to prohibit and undermine publication. Browning sued Clinton for damages, but the US Court of Appeals denied her appeal.[144]
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 7, 2011 17:40:30 GMT -5
<--- also wondering what the point of this thread is, actually. Well, wondering is probably good for you. Is this thread violating some rule or CoC? I am going to "unzip" it. Lak..., it is a legitimate question to ask of the originator of a thread for their reason to begin such a thread. It is obvious the why of a headline taken from the front page today. I was being honest in asking "why start a thread on this topic today". Is it as cme... suggests - related to the Weiner situation? Is there some why else? Simply curious.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2011 17:43:21 GMT -5
Since Weinerman was married by Clinton, I wonder if Bill gave him safe sex via the internet lessons?? Doesn't look like THAT is turning out to be socially acceptable behavior for a married man, either....
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Post by lakhota on Jun 7, 2011 17:48:41 GMT -5
bill, do I need your permission to start a thread? No, I don't. Why are you responding to this thread? Can't you just ignore it? Now let it go...
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Post by fairlycrazy23 on Jun 7, 2011 17:49:22 GMT -5
My memory is a little fuzzy at times, but i think Clinton was given a specific definition of 'sexual relations' which included having your genitals touched by another person. And he lied about that having sexual relations as was defined specifically for the deposition.
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Post by lakhota on Jun 7, 2011 17:53:56 GMT -5
My memory is a little fuzzy at times, but i think Clinton was given a specific definition of 'sexual relations' which included having your genitals touched by another person. And he lied about that having sexual relations as was defined specifically for the deposition. He told the truth according to DC statues at the time regarding sexual relations. The White House is in DC.
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Post by lakhota on Jun 7, 2011 17:59:32 GMT -5
Top 11 Political Sex Scandal Apologies Other Than Weinergate On Monday, following the release of shirtless photos by Andrew Breitbart's Big Government, Rep. Anthony Weiner (D–N.Y.) announced that he had sent lewd photos and text messages to six different women in the last three years—all of whom he met online. It was a bizarre scene, made all the more so by the presence of Breitbart, who seized the podium before Weiner's press conference to take questions about his site's coverage of the scandal. But where does it rank on the spectrum of recent political apologies? Here's a quick look: motherjones.com/mojo/2011/06/top-11-political-sex-scandals-weiner
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 7, 2011 18:01:21 GMT -5
This thread is so last century. Lak..., help me out with a reason for this thread. I just don't see it. Right On Bills this is so yesterday or another distraction from the Political News today in Washington DC about Obama and Weiner now there is a pair to draw to
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Post by fairlycrazy23 on Jun 7, 2011 18:02:23 GMT -5
My memory is a little fuzzy at times, but i think Clinton was given a specific definition of 'sexual relations' which included having your genitals touched by another person. And he lied about that having sexual relations as was defined specifically for the deposition. He told the truth according to DC statues at the time regarding sexual relations. The White House is in DC. No he didn't, he lied about having his junk touched, they didn't ask him if he had sexual relations according to the statutes, they asked if head sexual relations according to the definition they provided him.
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Post by lakhota on Jun 7, 2011 18:05:53 GMT -5
Yeah, they made up a lot of stuff to trap one of our greatest presidents.
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Post by cme1201 on Jun 7, 2011 18:08:50 GMT -5
Yeah, they made up a lot of stuff to trap one of our greatest presidents. HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA Okay, better now. Clinton was an Okay president, time and lots of it will tell if he was "great"
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Post by lakhota on Jun 7, 2011 18:15:48 GMT -5
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Post by ed1066 on Jun 7, 2011 18:20:38 GMT -5
This thread is so last century. Lak..., help me out with a reason for this thread. I just don't see it. A lot of bad news around for Obama and the loser Dems, so the word to the paid propagandists is: distract, distract, distract...
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Post by privateinvestor on Jun 7, 2011 18:52:31 GMT -5
A lot of bad news around for Obama and the loser Dems, so the word to the paid propagandists is: distract, distract, distract...[/quote] Dems are in a bad place today with weinergate....they are split over whether he should stay or should he go.....you can bet Ms Pelosi is not a happy camper and one furious woman today.
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Post by Mad Dawg Wiccan on Jun 7, 2011 19:02:23 GMT -5
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Post by lakhota on Jun 7, 2011 19:08:18 GMT -5
That looks like Clinton telling little Chris Wallace what he thinks about his conservative hit job.
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Post by vonnie6200 on Jun 7, 2011 19:11:27 GMT -5
My memory is a little fuzzy at times, but i think Clinton was given a specific definition of 'sexual relations' which included having your genitals touched by another person. And he lied about that having sexual relations as was defined specifically for the deposition. He told the truth according to DC statues at the time regarding sexual relations. The White House is in DC. The White House is a Federal Park - Federal property
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