NoMoreLunacy
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 10, 2011 19:23:53 GMT -5
Thievery is not to be supported but if people cannot pay their home loans shouldn't they be foreclosed? That was the contract they signed. Voluntarily. No one is a serf today. I am all for safety nets as long as I don't have to pay any taxes for it. If the Govt wants to raise the money for safety nets by leasing assets (toll roads, fees for national parks etc.) I am all for it. I won't be paying much of it anyway. Truthfully and no disrespect meant, I DOUBT you personally are paying much in Federal tax's..state, and local, fed gas and such yes but hugh , even LARGE in fed taxes, I doubt it..if so, I know those who do, both my kids..one a tremendous lot..and one grumbles a bit...but gets on with it , only comments when he does his own taxes to see how much he gets back and thus aware, the other one not at all....and other friends a few , similar thoughts, basically none, just gets on with it., just the way it is, no second thought of, so one such as yourself where every single less one every now and then post is the same refrain, my money is..you put bupkist on Federal taxes..again, no personal disrespect is meant. Even one cent of taxes is too much. Bottom line is that for too long the American rich has been subsidizing the American middle class and poor and that needs to stop right now.
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 10, 2011 19:33:34 GMT -5
Yes, I agree that the poor have been subsidizing the rich for too long. How many rich soldiers, security guards or cops do you know? The rich wouldn't have their goods for long without them. What's up with all these veiled threats? Those jobs are voluntary. If people don't want to do them and go become a hedge fund manager they should go and do that instead of complaining.
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Post by SweetVirginia on Jun 10, 2011 22:16:18 GMT -5
I don't think so- it is harder to keep people repressed today and just looking around the world a lot of people aren't going to wait 100 years for a fair shake. That's the one thing the very small group of ultra wealthy rulers don't get- pissed off people outnumber you. What was the number in Yemen today? 100K pissed off people? Dictators today, plutocrats tomorrow- so go ahead and wipe out the safety net. Right now they just picket the CEO's house- keep up record forclosures, thievery, and the like and watch it escalate- fun times ahead! Thievery is not to be supported but if people cannot pay their home loans shouldn't they be foreclosed? That was the contract they signed. Voluntarily. No one is a serf today. I am all for safety nets as long as I don't have to pay any taxes for it. If the Govt wants to raise the money for safety nets by leasing assets (toll roads, fees for national parks etc.) I am all for it. I won't be paying much of it anyway. Wow, Cold.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2011 22:17:53 GMT -5
He's new, Sweet. Get used to it. All his posts are like that. Best I can say is that he is consistent.
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Post by burnsattornincan on Jun 10, 2011 22:32:20 GMT -5
I came into this world just like anyone else and I will do what it takes to survive and not think twice about it- I may work a job if I feel it is fair, I might take what I need by force- all depends how society wants to handle it-but if you do end up creating the enormously unequal society you espouse I'd watch my back- The French revolution is a good example of what happens.
Mr. evt1, this paragraph is the bottom line in the real world, a place the United States has not been in more than 100 years. You are absolutely correct and I extend to you my utmost respect.
Dalton McGuinty Burns III
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 10, 2011 23:25:48 GMT -5
I am saying that you should be thankful to have these people doing these jobs. Soldiers in particular often had no choice as they were drafted. If people don't want to do them and go become a hedge fund manager they should go and do that instead of complaining.Spoken like someone born on third base who thinks he hit a home-run. There has not been in a draft in two generations. Yes, I was indeed born on third base. I want my next generation to keep having the same advantage. So cut taxes already.
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Post by hannah27 on Jun 11, 2011 10:40:00 GMT -5
I always find it interesting how quick people are to defend the outrageous salaries we see being paid to today's [often badly-performing] CEO's and their ilk, yet those are often the same people who insist that Jose and his badly-paid peers are somehow not worthy of the same consideration.
Jose's performance and the relationship to the company metrics ... has that also reflected in his salary and benefit packet? That would be a big, fat NO.
If you don't see the double-standard here, you need glasses.
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 11, 2011 11:30:27 GMT -5
Quote: "Yes, I was indeed born on third base. I want my next generation to keep having the same advantage. So cut taxes already." And that's exactly why taxes should not be cut, but raised, especially on inheritances. You are not entitled to be a lord of the manor by birth and we don't need to create a feudal situation with a hereditary aristocracy. People are not required to be disadvantaged from birth to serve you and your class. Society benefits when lower-born, but superior people replace incompetents with money. Are you a Socialist? How did that work for the Soviets? What you are proposing is stealing from the rich, plain and simple. Cut taxes already.
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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 11, 2011 14:56:25 GMT -5
Quote: "Yes, I was indeed born on third base. I want my next generation to keep having the same advantage. So cut taxes already." And that's exactly why taxes should not be cut, but raised, especially on inheritances. You are not entitled to be a lord of the manor by birth and we don't need to create a feudal situation with a hereditary aristocracy. People are not required to be disadvantaged from birth to serve you and your class. Society benefits when lower-born, but superior people replace incompetents with money. Are you a Socialist? How did that work for the Soviets? What you are proposing is stealing from the rich, plain and simple. Cut taxes already. Ho hum..though the " socialist " I think is new...but still, broken record...
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 11, 2011 15:17:52 GMT -5
Are you a Socialist? How did that work for the Soviets? What you are proposing is stealing from the rich, plain and simple. Cut taxes already. Ho hum..though the " socialist " I think is new...but still, broken record... Socialist is not new. Anyone who wants to tax the rich is a Socialist. We need a regressive taxation system where the poor and middle class starts to pay their fair share as they consume more public resources. Want earned income tax credit? Well, pay for it first in higher taxes.
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 11, 2011 16:32:58 GMT -5
No, anyone who wants to tax the rich is known as the government. You seem to think that the rich should be exempt from all taxes, not just from excessive taxation. You believe that the lesser-born should pay for your roads, potable water, police protection, sanitation. They should be drafted by your class to die in wars or if not drafted, forced by poverty to become cannon fodder for a pittance. There is a word for that too...Plutocracy. However, Pluto was not just the God of Wealth, he was also the keeper of the Underworld and the Gates of Hell. No it's called free market capitalism. Ever heard of the Laffer curve? Tax revenues skyrocket as tax rates fall to 0% (for the rich).
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Post by lakhota on Jun 11, 2011 18:52:46 GMT -5
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Post by lakhota on Jun 11, 2011 19:18:19 GMT -5
I just love the Pubs theory of "trickle-down" economics, which is akin to food particles dropping off the dinner table to the ants below, and much of that evaporates on the way down.
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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 11, 2011 19:29:44 GMT -5
I just love the Pubs theory of "trickle-down" economics, which is akin to food particles dropping off the dinner table to the ants below, and much of that evaporates on the way down. I understand your posting rebuttles to the new one with the same yadda, yadda..but I beleive a moderator had him pegged correctly earlier...let me go find the thoughts he expressed ..I think he had it right..wait one..
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Post by lakhota on Jun 11, 2011 19:37:40 GMT -5
Well, gee, thank you for understanding. BTW, I already know what the facts are. Warren Buffett also speaks for me.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 11, 2011 19:42:59 GMT -5
Warren Buffet is a fraud. He has arranged his estate so that it is transferred largely tax free to a foundation or foundations he has set up. If he thinks it's such a great idea, I'm sure little tax cheat Timmy will take his money. He should write a check.
BTW- I have no problem with Buffett avoiding (as opposed to evading) taxes-- I do it, too. I have a problem with the hypocrisy.
A sub-chapter S family business worth $1.2 million is peanuts. Most of that is tied up in the assets of the business-- which often have to be liquidated to pay the taxes. Why should everyone be out of work, and the economy lose that productivity to the government?
Nothing illustrates the ignorance of the left than their newest phraseolgoy "millionaires and billionaires". Big difference. The left is for the Billionaires. The left is against the millionaires. They got theirs. F*** you and your family.
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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 11, 2011 19:56:07 GMT -5
Well, gee, thank you for understanding. BTW, I already know what the facts are. Warren Buffett also speaks for me. nope not what I was going to suggest but if a poster suggest such a thing one can be called down for it. However when a moderator suggests such a thing, then one can almost take it to the bank, especially when they post officially as what they are..I believe this moderator did do that, not 100% there thus was trying to find the post, but alas..didn't. So not finding it, let me just allude to the fact that he, moderator , alluded , insinuated, you are discussing and rebutting to one who really does not care about the topic , just here to rile you up and get reactions for reaction sake. The "it " is not commenting from conviction or beliefs , which you and many here are doing.....he does it because those who are like him , normally they are found residing under bridges in the fairy tale stories of old...thus being known by a certain identified species, of creature, and to tarry and have a debate with such a one, IMHO is not really that satisfying, a lot of work and effort, the one you are debating with could care less about your arguments, his arguments are only posted to rile you up, and basically as you reply, he is usually flat on his back, his butt off at the responders antics. That was all I was trying to tell you, but go to it.have fun. ;D
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 11, 2011 20:23:06 GMT -5
The Laffer curve is very simple. When the tax rate for the rich is 0%, tax revenue is at its peak. When it is anything more than 10 percent, tax revenue is 0. Laffer drew this on a napkin. It is really that simple. I don't need to post it. The reason deficits are so high is because the middle class and the poor are not taxed enough. Everyone likes to mooch off of the risk. Time to say no, gut the social safety net, and give the money back to the rich and to the corporations in the form of taxes. Yes we can!
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 11, 2011 20:25:40 GMT -5
I just love the Pubs theory of "trickle-down" economics, which is akin to food particles dropping off the dinner table to the ants below, and much of that evaporates on the way down. Trickle down pisses me off. Why should anything trickle down from the rich? The rich have earned it and should keep all the spoils.
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 11, 2011 20:58:40 GMT -5
Well, gee, thank you for understanding. BTW, I already know what the facts are. Warren Buffett also speaks for me. nope not what I was going to suggest but if a poster suggest such a thing one can be called down for it. However when a moderator suggests such a thing, then one can almost take it to the bank, especially when they post officially as what they are..I believe this moderator did do that, not 100% there thus was trying to find the post, but alas..didn't. So not finding it, let me just allude to the fact that he, moderator , alluded , insinuated, you are discussing and rebutting to one who really does not care about the topic , just here to rile you up and get reactions for reaction sake. The "it " is not commenting from conviction or beliefs , which you and many here are doing.....he does it because those who are like him , normally they are found residing under bridges in the fairy tale stories of old...thus being known by a certain identified species, of creature, and to tarry and have a debate with such a one, IMHO is not really that satisfying, a lot of work and effort, the one you are debating with could care less about your arguments, his arguments are only posted to rile you up, and basically as you reply, he is usually flat on his back, his butt off at the responders antics. That was all I was trying to tell you, but go to it.have fun. ;D I say what Republicans strongly believe in but are afraid to say out loud out of fear of being considered to be lunatics and then getting kicked permanently out of power. I am not running for office (not yet anyway), so I am not ashamed of being a Republican and speaking my mind. Yes the Republican ideas may be lunacy but they do help the rich like ME. So I have no problem with that. If and when I run for office I will become a social conservative, get all the votes of the conservative poor and middle class, keep my fiscal policy under wraps or better yet spin it as helping the poor and the middle class, get elected, and then screw my constituents through my fiscal policy. Till that day comes, I will be proud to say that I am a Republican, the party of the rich, for the rich, but not by just the rich, and I like it that way.
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Post by lakhota on Jun 11, 2011 21:19:15 GMT -5
Warren Buffet is a fraud. He has arranged his estate so that it is transferred largely tax free to a foundation or foundations he has set up. If he thinks it's such a great idea, I'm sure little tax cheat Timmy will take his money. He should write a check. BTW- I have no problem with Buffett avoiding (as opposed to evading) taxes-- I do it, too. I have a problem with the hypocrisy. A sub-chapter S family business worth $1.2 million is peanuts. Most of that is tied up in the assets of the business-- which often have to be liquidated to pay the taxes. Why should everyone be out of work, and the economy lose that productivity to the government? Nothing illustrates the ignorance of the left than their newest phraseolgoy "millionaires and billionaires". Big difference. The left is for the Billionaires. The left is against the millionaires. They got theirs. F*** you and your family. Why exactly should Warren Buffett "voluntarily" pay more in taxes than is required by law if others don't do the same? Buffett is planning to donate the bulk of his wealth to Gates charity. Buffett to Give Bulk of His Fortune to Gates Charity Warren E. Buffett, the chairman of Berkshire Hathaway Inc. and one of the world's wealthiest men, plans to donate the bulk of his $44 billion fortune to the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation and four other philanthropies starting in July. More: www.nytimes.com/2006/06/26/business/26buffett.html
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Post by lakhota on Jun 11, 2011 21:30:13 GMT -5
So much for Warren Buffett being a fraud...
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 11, 2011 21:47:25 GMT -5
Is Buffett conservative? Is he for tax cuts for the wealthy. If not then he is a fraud.
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Post by lakhota on Jun 11, 2011 21:51:40 GMT -5
What do you call someone who loves the rich, but hates the poor, middle class, and all associated social programs?
Ayn Rand...?
OMG, ravinglunatic is Ayn Rand reincarnated.
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Post by lakhota on Jun 11, 2011 21:52:37 GMT -5
delete duplicate thread
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 11, 2011 21:57:49 GMT -5
What do you call someone who loves the rich, but hates the poor, middle class, and all associated social programs? Ayn Rand...? OMG, ravinglunatic is Ayn Rand reincarnated. I am just a regular Republican who is not afraid to say what the Republican Party wants to do but cannot talk about because people get turned off on the topic of gutting Medicare to help the rich.
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Post by lakhota on Jun 11, 2011 22:04:32 GMT -5
Exactly. Typical Ayn Rand politics sugarcoated and wrapped in the flag. Plus, you boldly advocate deceiving the masses. Remember, the poor and middle class are people too, and they have equal votes - theoretically at least.
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Post by lakhota on Jun 11, 2011 22:07:04 GMT -5
Gee, I wonder why people get turned off on this...?
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Post by NoMoreLunacy on Jun 11, 2011 22:15:09 GMT -5
Gee, I wonder why people get turned off on this...? That's why it is important that Republicans get votes through through the ruse of being social conservatives. You know, the whole anti-choice, anti-minority, anti-gay agenda. Once in power, then Republicans can gut Medicare and give tax cuts to the rich. It's brilliant I tell you. The poor and middle class fall for it all the time.
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Post by moon/Laura on Jun 12, 2011 5:36:13 GMT -5
lunatic, the more i read your posts, the more convinced i am that you're nothing but a troll... saying as many outrageous things as you can just to get people riled up..
i would undoubtedly be considered 'poor' by many, if not most, here. that's ok by me. i earn my paycheck, i pay my taxes.. i don't beg from the wealthy. you know what? i like it just fine because it seems like many of the (supposedly) rich snoots act like entitled asshats.
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